Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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[quote]Originally posted by Icemoon:
What a joke siah.
People here act noble to fight for the repeal of 377A, citing thousand and one reasons. Say what we shouldn't discriminate minorities, what govt should not impose religious views on minorities.
Then when it comes to repeal incest law, they tell me to, in the words of one forummer, fight my own battle?
And none of them dare to admit the noble reasons for repealing 377A are also valid for repealing incest law.
By the way, incest law already repealed in France and Japan liao.
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You mean Pro Thio had act noble for fighting repeal of 377A ? hahaha .. and she had been rebuked by PM LEE ... yeah ! -
Originally posted by PRP:
Are you going to have sex with a gay? are you paying sex for a cute boy in BKK? IF not, how will you get HIV? If then, how can gay sex harm others ?
[b]Homosex doesn't harm anybody?
One main arguement of pro-gey ppl is homosex doesn't harm others.Is an action which doesn't harm others shouldn't be illegal?No, there are some acts (such as commit suicide and drug abuse) which don't harm others are illegal.
Many geys are promiscuous.They can spread AIDS thru homosex.So homosex doesn't harm other is not even entirely true.Higher percentage of geys have AIDS.This is a justification to make gey-sex illegal. [/b]
same to hetersex .. u can get HIV from a lady or even a straight guy .. don tell me you have ever fantasize with a straight guy before? (maybe ur gayness withhin u is quite strong ..) heh heh .. -
PRP - most of us agree with this statement !Originally posted by socrates:Of all the people here, PRP is the least qualified person to talk about debate.
Go take your PSLE again .. -
Ya,gay is a nice word.But i think homosex is morally wrong,so i create a new word to replace "gay" as "homo".Gray & grey have the same pronunciation and same meaning.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Can you spell properly? It is an insult to them.
Secondly, what's condom usage then? Pai swee one ah?
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actually no, the question is still valid.Originally posted by happieman:let me answer ur this question ...
even PM Lee said ..."you like it or not, ......it has been proven that ..."
homosexuality is not a choice .. it is inborn, like u may have some gayness within u subconsciuosly.. just that u not aware of it ..
SO THE QUESTION IS NOT VALID !
My point is that it shouldn't have anything to do with whether it is a choice (nurture) or not (nature).
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Insulting tactics
The insulitng tactics used by geys don't add credit points to their cause.In fact,it would add negative image on geys.It is foolish for them to use insulting and bullying tacitcs. -
*shrugs* .. she is only an NMP.Originally posted by happieman:You mean Pro Thio had act noble for fighting repeal of 377A ? hahaha .. and she had been rebuked by PM LEE ... yeah !
If anything, the blame should be on those MPs who keep quiet but who could have ask for homosexual laws to be removed. -
I'm grateful u defend me many times.Originally posted by Icemoon:Let's change the rules of the game a little.
You want to debate the issue with me?
It is just a debate .. I can play the devil advocate, no problem.
I see no problem if we have civil debate on our difference in opinion.We are not personal friends or gang up to oppose the geys. -
You are saying even if the whole gay population tio HIV, this will not harm others?Originally posted by happieman:Are you going to have sex with a gay? are you paying sex for a cute boy in BKK? IF not, how will you get HIV? If then, how can gay sex harm others ?
Well, do not forget that sex and needles are not the only way HIV can spread. -
Icemoon,
About your debate with SIS regarding incest.your arguments prevail. -
PRP, what is your religion?Originally posted by PRP:I'm grateful u defend me many times.
I see no problem if we have civil debate on our difference in opinion.We are not personal friends or gang up to oppose the geys. -
I think these people are just being double standards.Originally posted by PRP:Icemoon,
About your debate with SIS regarding incest.your arguments prevail.
You notice I'm trying to get them to recognize the private rights argument, but they keep using the argument that homo is inborn while incest is not to defend the existence of our incest laws.
How come? When we were discussing about homosexuality only, they happily throw out the thousand and one reasons why homo laws should not exist. Then when I talk about incest, they couldnt come out with any good reason why incest laws should exist.
Now they scare liao. Nobody dares to raise the private rights argument in arguing for the removal of homo laws. All they can say now is homo is inborn. Then when I ask what if homo is something not inborn, then should we keep the homo laws. Nobody dares to answer me directly!
This is really hiliarious. -
yeapp that's correct ... gay is not a choice .. is inborn ..Originally posted by Icemoon:actually no, the question is still valid.
My point is that it shouldn't have anything to do with whether it is a choice (nurture) or not (nature). -
is wasting time and energy to speak to extremist ... when they need to read more books ..Originally posted by PRP:Insulting tactics
The insulitng tactics used by geys don't add credit points to their cause.In fact,it would add negative image on geys.It is foolish for them to use insulting and bullying tacitcs. -
you have missed the point..Originally posted by Icemoon:*shrugs* .. she is only an NMP.
If anything, the blame should be on those MPs who keep quiet but who could have ask for homosexual laws to be removed.
she had been rebuked by our (yours and mine) PM .... yeah ! -
you has been used !Originally posted by PRP:I'm grateful u defend me many times.
I see no problem if we have civil debate on our difference in opinion.We are not personal friends or gang up to oppose the geys.
although u will be willingly even thou u are told ..
anyway .. what's ur educational level ? -
No! You miss the point.Originally posted by happieman:yeapp that's correct ... gay is not a choice .. is inborn ..
Even if gay is a choice, why should we criminalise them? Just like what should we penalise people who choose coffee over tea?
Similarly, why should we penalize couples in an incestuous relationship? -
the fact is that anyone can get hiv thru unprotected sex .. heterosexual, homosexual, needle, etc..Originally posted by Icemoon:You are saying even if the whole gay population tio HIV, this will not harm others?
Well, do not forget that sex and needles are not the only way HIV can spread.
u don know what is green keero ? -
lol .. i never agree with her totally to begin with.Originally posted by happieman:you have missed the point..
she had been rebuked by our (yours and mine) PM .... yeah ! -
you are the least qualified to talk in the thread ... u remember ?Originally posted by PRP:Icemoon,
About your debate with SIS regarding incest.your arguments prevail. -
Yup, the way to handle the issue is not to penalize but to actively discourage undesirable practices like multiple partners and drug abuse. Ok, drug abuse is criminal too.Originally posted by happieman:the fact is that anyone can get hiv thru unprotected sex .. heterosexual, homosexual, needle, etc..
u don know what is green keero ?
green keero? google search returns nothing significant. -
Exactly, all of us have missed the point ...Originally posted by Icemoon:No! You miss the point.
Even if gay is a choice, why should we criminalise them? Just like what should we penalise people who choose coffee over tea?
Similarly, why should we penalize couples in an incestuous relationship?
we are all ppl that either love coffee or tea . or may be other drinks .. incest relationship shall be talk in other thread ... irregardless of red herring, green horning .. etc.. -
he was only talking to me.Originally posted by happieman:you are the least qualified to talk in the thread ... u remember ?
but seriously, you people should try to be civil. -
Cool .. so PRP is alone .. haha ..Originally posted by Icemoon:lol .. i never agree with her totally to begin with. -
PRP .. see .. nobody dares to answer my questions direct.Originally posted by happieman:Exactly, all of us have missed the point ...
we are all ppl that either love coffee or tea . or may be other drinks .. incest relationship shall be talk in other thread ... irregardless of red herring, green horning .. etc..
Now they shove it under a red herring.