Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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That idiot is uOriginally posted by LazerLordz:All I see here is one idiot who has a problem with comprehension.
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The difference between me and you is that I consciously chose to use a one-liner.Originally posted by PRP:That idiot is u
It's probably autonomous behavior from you. -
If calling you unqualified is a damning insult, you need to get out and see the real world more.Originally posted by PRP:U just recently made a damning insult on my name.Are u qualified to pass judgement on me? -
Aiyoh PRP .. told you to debate with me liao .. why are you engaging them?
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Why can't you answer my question decisively? Why do you make unnecessary elaboration that doesn't answer my question?
NO. Because Homosexual is still better than incest. Furthermore, homosexual is inborn. And lastly, u r just talking about a completely hypothetical case whereby homosexual is a choice. I list down why incest is worse than homosexual
Read the word in bold. Is tat not decisively enough ? Why can't i elaborate on my answer
Now how about my question for u, which u continuously avoid ? Why r u afraid to answer ?
Now why don't u list why homosexual should be banned ? I don't see u giving any reasons why homosexual should be banned.Now you are comparing them on the basis of which is better. So the better one you support, the worse one you boo boo.
Though u say it in a discriminating way, tis is the fact of the world Murder is more serious than hurting people. Tat is why the punishment is more severe. Tell me, why do u think it is funny Similary you have argued that sex with AIDS people per se should NOT be criminalised but sex with your close relations should be. On the basis of your unfounded assumption that babies with AIDS are not as damaging as children from incestuous birth.
I have already stated tat people with closer bloodline have higher chances of defective children. I think denying it is silly. Looking at evidence, u cannot give me the section for incest law as well. If u give me the section, i give u the evidence how ? Answer the below question as well. U just ignore them again
DO u accept incest give an additional problem of defective children ? Why don't u answer tis question first ? And if u look at homosexual, than incest give an additional problem to homosexual and tat makes homosexual to be better than incest. Since homosexual is better than incest, than why compare the 2 together ?So you are saying we should criminalise people who become monks, priests or nuns?
Tat depend on why do u want to criminised homosexualIf it is not fool proof, rightly so, then shouldn't sex with AIDS people be criminal as well? After all, you have a choice whether to have sex with a clean woman or a dirty woman.
tat is why i say aids patient should inform their partner before having sexual intercourse.You notice I'm trying to get them to recognize the private rights argument, but they keep using the argument that homo is inborn while incest is not to defend the existence of our incest laws.
I don't see why u r qualified to state tis conclusion. U r no different from PRP. U avoid questions ask to u then give a broad conclusion when all u did is refuse to answer question and treat all other people comment as invalid.
How come? When we were discussing about homosexuality only, they happily throw out the thousand and one reasons why homo laws should not exist. Then when I talk about incest, they couldnt come out with any good reason why incest laws should exist. The only thing u r good at is proclaming u r winning when in actual fact u just avoiding and giving bad examples -
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAOriginally posted by LazerLordz:The difference between me and you is that I consciously chose to use a one-liner.
It's probably autonomous behavior from you. -
So........I think we already have the verdict. Anymore debate is a waste of time. A mind closed to logical analysis, a self delusional character that denies the truth and refuses to admit defeat in the face of defeat itself, will eventually be eliminated like household pests without our conscious efforts.
The only thing left to do now is to watch these bark like rabid mutts, when the winds of change blows, whether they concede one thing is true:
Resistance is futile.
May they choke on some cake. -
PRP ... u friend is trying to use you again....Originally posted by Icemoon:Aiyoh PRP .. told you to debate with me liao .. why are you engaging them?
be ready to be used or to be an independent useful debater .. is upto you .. -
I never say homosexual should be banned. I asked, if homosexual should not be banned, then why should incest be banned? Erm, I thought this is clear.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Now why don't u list why homosexual should be banned ? I don't see u giving any reasons why homosexual should be banned.Though u say it in a discriminating way, tis is the fact of the world Murder is more serious than hurting people. Tat is why the punishment is more severe. Tell me, why do u think it is funny
Huh? If incest is like murder and homosexual is like hurting people, why is incest punished but not homosexual?I have already stated tat people with closer bloodline have higher chances of defective children. I think denying it is silly. Looking at evidence, u cannot give me the section for incest law as well. If u give me the section, i give u the evidence how ? Answer the below question as well. U just ignore them again
I never deny that there is a higher probability of having defect children. However this is not a valid reason to *criminalise* incest. Or else you should, at the very least, fine people who have sex with HIV people.
And why do you want the section for incest law for? We know it exists, I think it is section 376 or something.DO u accept incest give an additional problem of defective children ? Why don't u answer tis question first ? And if u look at homosexual, than incest give an additional problem to homosexual and tat makes homosexual to be better than incest. Since homosexual is better than incest, than why compare the 2 together ?
I answered above.
Even if homosexual is better than incest, is this valid reason to criminalise incest?Tat depend on why do u want to criminised homosexual
Because I am jealous. Why are homosexual laws dropped but not incest laws?tat is why i say aids patient should inform their partner before having sexual intercourse.
You are stating the obvious. In the case of incest, obviously the consenting adults know it is incest. The risk is obvious. But if they choose to take the risk, why should we criminalise them? If the HIV patient and partner decide to take the risk, why should they be criminalised? -
Well, since he can't debate rationally with you guys, he might want a better alternative. With me.Originally posted by happieman:PRP ... u friend is trying to use you again....
be ready to be used or to be an independent useful debater .. is upto you ..
Your dichotomy is kinda silly. Do you think he can be an independent useful debator with you guys? -
This post is so long I don't think anyone will ever see my reply.
That being said, I saw that the original poster banked very heavily on religion at the start of the post but then went on to using other examples and arguments and even shared with us his experience.
I think it was wonderful that he discussed the subject from different points of view as the thread progressed.
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It was my mistake.I mistook u as Socrates.Originally posted by LazerLordz:If calling you unqualified is a damning insult, you need to get out and see the real world more. -
None of us here can claim to be close to Socrates.Originally posted by PRP:It was my mistake.I thot u were Socrates. -
Can't say homosex is wrong?
Some geys use insulting tactics.There are many examples here and NMP received hate mails.
Is it to say a person can't argue that homosex is wrong?Is it to say everybody must pro-homo or accept homosex?
These geys simply don't respect others excercing their freedom to speak.Luckily they are not the govt.
Their behaviour is akin to speech terrorism -- fortunatley they don't resort to violence.
They want ppl to accpet geys.How can they win support by behaving in such manner -- even thou only some of them behave in such manner? -
[quote]Originally posted by PRP:
[b]I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:
1.The natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo goes against nature.
2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it goes against the nature.
3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.
Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:
1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).
2.It is a happiness (& responsibilty) to have babies and bringing them up
3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old.
Icemoon,
I believe u don't agree with my above point of view.What is your comment? -
I never say homosexual should be banned. I asked, if homosexual should not be banned, then why should incest be banned? Erm, I thought this is clear.
I have given u a list of reasons why incest is worse than homosexual and why it is banned. Now don't push here and there and list me why should homosexual be banned.
1. Incest is definitely a choice
2. incest give defective children
3. Incest give problem to society since the parents of the children can teach his children to have sex with them making them willing sexual partners. They have a direct relationship
Now tell me why should homosexual be banned ? If I am not wrong, the only reason tat u can come out is having gays means reducing the number of people who cannot reproduce, and tat is exactly the same crime as nuns or monks or fathers.Huh? If incest is like murder and homosexual is like hurting people, why is incest punished but not homosexual?
I did not elaborate on hurting people. Again hurting people have different magnitude and different punishment. Look at section 95 of the penal code. If u look at it more closely, hurting people, if it is too minor, is consider to be crimeless.
95. Nothing is an offence by reason that it causes, or that it is intended to cause, or that it is known to be likely to cause, any harm, if that harm is so slight that no person of ordinary sense and temper would complain of such harm.I never deny that there is a higher probability of having defect children. However this is not a valid reason to *criminalise* incest. Or else you should, at the very least, fine people who have sex with HIV people
Then in tat case, incest is worse than homosexual and they shouldn't be compared. And I suggested HIV people to have laws to inform the other people about his diesease.Even if homosexual is better than incest, is this valid reason to criminalise incest?
If incest is worse than homosexual, then they r not the same and shouldn't be compared.Because I am jealous. Why are homosexual laws dropped but not incest laws?
Because incest is worseYou are stating the obvious. In the case of incest, obviously the consenting adults know it is incest. The risk is obvious. But if they choose to take the risk, why should we criminalise them? If the HIV patient and partner decide to take the risk, why should they be criminalised?
Because they r hurting other people which is their babies. It is no longer the act between themselves. In tis sense, it is worse off then homosexual and shound't be compared. -
Some geys use insulting tactics.
Let the other readers read and give their own judgement la. Wat is the general comment of them on your writing and "debating" skill ? They way u spell "gey" is already a sign tat u r biased, insulting and an idiot. -
Originally posted by PRP:
That is the most fucking selfish statement coming from some fucking self righteous dumbfuck I have seen around here. Now we know the worth some place on their children. THis reeks of some old invalid/outdated bad policy and tradition passed down by the old generation of farmers which do not and should not be applicable in today's society.
[b][quote]Originally posted by PRP:
[b]I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:
3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old.
Icemoon,
I believe u don't agree with my above point of view.What is your comment?[/b] -
ONE MORE REASON TO CHOKE! SYMPATHIES BE WITH THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF SUCH SCOUNDRELS.
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"Gay" is complementary? "Gey" is insulting according to some.Is it really so?
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neither do you want to die like him.Originally posted by LazerLordz:None of us here can claim to be close to Socrates. -
They should be banned 'cos it will be double standards to ban incest but not homosexual.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I have given u a list of reasons why incest is worse than homosexual and why it is banned. Now don't push here and there and list me why should homosexual be banned.
I told you I am jealous liao, didn't I?I did not elaborate on hurting people. Again hurting people have different magnitude and different punishment. Look at section 95 of the penal code. If u look at it more closely, hurting people, if it is too minor, is consider to be crimeless.
The fact that hurting people is bringing others harm already makes it a candidate for a criminal offense. The magnitude is quite irrelevant here. What suffice here is that murder and hurting people both bring harm to others.Then in tat case, incest is worse than homosexual and they shouldn't be compared. And I suggested HIV people to have laws to inform the other people about his diesease.
Huh? I did not compare incest and homosexual on the basis of bringing about defect children.
I compare them on the basis that they are essentially private acts between consenting people.If incest is worse than homosexual, then they r not the same and shouldn't be compared.
If you want to pursue this point, then gays are also guilty of comparing themselves with heterosexual couples engaging in unnatural sexual intercourse.Because they r hurting other people which is their babies. It is no longer the act between themselves. In tis sense, it is worse off then homosexual and shound't be compared.
This point is invalid because sex with HIV people is not criminal. So you cannot use the reason why because the act will hurt an unborn person, it should be considered a criminal offense.
You cannot prove that sex with HIV person or your close relation will lead to pregnancy. -
Originally posted by PRP:
What a big basket of worms.
[b][quote]Originally posted by PRP:
[b]I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:
1.The natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo goes against nature.
2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it goes against the nature.
3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.
Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:
1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).
2.It is a happiness (& responsibilty) to have babies and bringing them up
3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old.
Icemoon,
I believe u don't agree with my above point of view.What is your comment?[/b]
It is tricky because precisely on whose standards do you define right and wrong? -
They should be banned 'cos it will be double standards to ban incest but not homosexual.
I told u incest is worse than homosexual. Answer me tis question first, is incest worse than homosexual ? If not, why (with reference to the 3 points I stated) ? Why should we banned homosexual ?Answer tis without reference to incest, but on ensuring living in society. Murder should be banned to preserve people lives, stealing is to protect people property. I am asking u based on wat grounds should homosexual be banned. Why r u refusing to answer tis question ? I have asked u more than 3 times liao yet u still refuse to answer it ?
I told you I am jealous liao, didn't I?The fact that hurting people is bringing others harm already makes it a candidate for a criminal offense. The magnitude is quite irrelevant here. What suffice here is that murder and hurting people both bring harm to others.
The law have already stated tat for hurting, the magnitude is different with different punishment. I have prove to u tat there is a section tat make minor hurting offences as crimeless. In fact throughout the world they have tis same law and it is totally reasonable. U wanna challenge the law ?Huh? I did not compare incest and homosexual on the basis of bringing about defect children.
George bush and osama have 2 eyes and 1 nose. R they the same ?
I compare them on the basis that they are essentially private acts between consenting people
I have already stated, tat is the only similarity between them. They r totally different. Just because they have one similarity doesn't make them the same.If you want to pursue this point, then gays are also guilty of comparing themselves with heterosexual couples engaging in unnatural sexual intercourse.
And why r they guilty ? State me the reasons why a woman having anal sex is different from a guy taking the anal sex.This point is invalid because sex with HIV people is not criminal. So you cannot use the reason why because the act will hurt an unborn person, it should be considered a criminal offense.
It is true it is not criminal, but my stand is they should have a law asking them to inform the other party their conditions. I feel tat preventing defective children or spreading diesease is good for everybody. In tis sense incest is worse than homosexual
You cannot prove that sex with HIV person or your close relation will lead to pregnancy.
Sex with HIV person or close relative not lead to pregnancy ? U know wat is sex or not ? U know how babies come about ? -
Ya,gay is a nice word.But i think homosex is morally wrong,so i create a new word to replace "gay" as "homo".
U felt the word "gay" is too nice to be used on homosexual. Isn't tat already insulting them
U know I like the way u debate. U give the anti-gay people a bad light