Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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Like I said, the law was there for a long time for a purpose. So the argument now is that it has always been an unjust and unnecessary law? Maybe It was just and necessary in the past, but now it is not, thats what you are trying to say? And so, it goes back again to my point, who determines when a law is unjust and unncessary. All these arguments go back to the fact thatOriginally posted by crosshairs:There is a difference between changing a law in one's favour, and taking away an unjust and unnecessary law. THAT, is the argument.
a) Homosexuals are saying at THIS MOMENT now, the law is unjust and unnecessary.
b) The objecting party is saying at THIS MOMENT now, the law is still just and necessary.
The way you are saying it, is like it has already being determined that the law is DEFINITELY unjust and unnecessary.
And anyway my point is not to argue what is unjust and unnecessary. All I am saying, if you are prepared to argue for something, be prepared for opposition! Dun call people bigots or what lah...i say play a fair game mah...if your arguments are strong enough, I am sure it will go thru in the end one lah... -
So who called you a bigot ?Originally posted by gasband:And anyway my point is not to argue what is unjust and unnecessary. All I am saying, if you are prepared to argue for something, be prepared for opposition! Dun call people bigots or what lah...i say play a fair game mah...if your arguments are strong enough, I am sure it will go thru in the end one lah... -
Are you feeling a little.....disorientated?
Here, have some water. Watch where you throw the punches. -
eh nobody called me lah, i very nice one. I state my point very clear one. I dun agree with homosexuality but i love everyone lah, whether you homosexual or lesbian or bisexual. I tell you some heterosexual can be more jia lat than homosexuals lah. But of cos, i have seen many cases of postings in this forum whenever someone says something against homosexuality or along that vein, that person will be labelled a bigot or called some names lah. But nobody called me any names lah....cos i play nice one haha!Originally posted by crosshairs:So who called you a bigot ?
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eh...now i am disoriented by your question haha...Originally posted by crosshairs:Are you feeling a little.....disorientated?
Here, have some water. Watch where you throw the punches.
and i cant have water so late at late cos i have reflux caused by diabetes and drinking water before I sleep will cause me to cough badly at nite -
anyone can seek counselling if they have issues with their sexual orientation. however, you cannot force anyone to seek therapy just because they are homosexual.Originally posted by PRP:Yes, homo ppl need help to kick their habit.If drug addicts can kick their habit,I believe geys can kick their habit too.One problem is whether there are counseling centres for them to go.
homosexuality has been taken off the DSM in the early 1970s. so it's no longer a disorder.
psychologists will not try to change your sexual orientation if you seek counselling. they can however try to help you overcome your 'discomfort' or whatever...there were times when certain methods were used to 'change' homosexuals. usually, more harm is done to the patient during that process.
and i wonder what makes u think it's a habit...
someone who is addicted to drugs 'need' the drugs to 'survive'
what is it that homosexuals need to 'keep themselves alive'????
geez
so have no idea how stupid and ignorant your post sounded. -
Oh, take care. Sleep early.Originally posted by gasband:eh...now i am disoriented by your question haha...
and i cant have water so late at late cos i have reflux caused by diabetes and drinking water before I sleep will cause me to cough badly at nite -
Dear PRP,
I put it to you that you consider ALL homosexuals as people who are sick in their mind.
crosshairs. -
Another good question for you ..Originally posted by udontknowme:anyone can seek counselling if they have issues with their sexual orientation. however, you cannot force anyone to seek therapy just because they are homosexual.
homosexuality has been taken off the DSM in the early 1970s. so it's no longer a disorder.
psychologists will not try to change your sexual orientation if you seek counselling. they can however try to help you overcome your 'discomfort' or whatever...there were times when certain methods were used to 'change' homosexuals. usually, more harm is done to the patient during that process.
and i wonder what makes u think it's a habit...
someone who is addicted to drugs 'need' the drugs to 'survive'
what is it that homosexuals need to 'keep themselves alive'????
geez
so have no idea how stupid and ignorant your post sounded.
you need to be educated .. -
Religious homosexuals who try to accept re-education usually end up as catholic priests. :p
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Or they end up leading megachurches.
*cough* Ted Haggard *cough*
Bill Clinton did not inhale.
Ted Haggard sucked... but did not swallow? -
Ted Haggard thinks that heaven is a real place with cakes and all sorts of goodies........
Goodies. Eeeeee~ -
this thread is a good example why religions are stupid.
remember kids, good people dont do religions, if someone tells you to worship a deity that had sex with a virgin woman and made her give birth to a child, DONT DO IT. -
There was no sex involved. It's like in Star Wars where the midi-chlorians spontaneously conceived Anakin.Originally posted by the.owl:this thread is a good example why religions are stupid.
remember kids, good people dont do religions, if someone tells you to worship a deity that had sex with a virgin woman and made her give birth to a child, DONT DO IT.
Anyway, it's highly likely a large part of the story about Joseph and Mary is a myth.
Let's see... an unmarried pregnant woman travels with a man and she claims she never had pre-marital sex. Actually I know many women like that. :p
That reminds me of a silly CS Lewis argument that the bible stories must be true because they are so ridiculous. No one would make up stories as silly as that. If they were made up, they would make more sense.
By the way, I have a true story to tell you. There was an alien being who came from another planet sent to earth by his father when his home planet exploded. Now that he's exposed to our yellow sun, he has incredible super powers. He's faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! Serious. If I were to make this up, I would only say faster than Ben Johnson on steriods, more powerful than Hulk Hogan and able pass IPPT Standing Broad Jump with 5 points in a single bound. -
Actually, Ted Haggard's version of heaven has meth and a nice male stripper.Originally posted by crosshairs:Ted Haggard thinks that heaven is a real place with cakes and all sorts of goodies........
Goodies. Eeeeee~
Haggard, by the way, is still in the business of lying for cash - except that this time, he's asking people to support him for 2 years. But of course, he's not sharing the fact that he still stays in a $700,000+ home and he's still receiving pay from the church until end of 2007. -
You mean he bought the marine parade flat facing the sea? Hey, you know, we could throw 377A back at him.Originally posted by Phaze:Actually, Ted Haggard's version of heaven has meth and a nice male stripper.
Haggard, by the way, is still in the business of lying for cash - except that this time, he's asking people to support him for 2 years. But of course, he's not sharing the fact that he still stays in a $700,000+ home and he's still receiving pay from the church until end of 2007.
Ok, I'm kidding. I'm sure someone else bought that unit. -
Sex is an instinct.Homo is an abnormal sexual orientation.I believe most of them are not born to be so.So most of them can change if they want to.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Your opinion that sexuality is a habit, is unfortunately not empirical enough to be proven as well.
Open your eyes. -
Ya i think too much,so carry on promote homo here.But it is a crime for anal sex.Originally posted by happieman:how have their "habit" bothered you? they harassed you or what ? maybe you have have been thinking too much .. maybe there should have some counselling centres for the homophobics .. -
Right!!Originally posted by gasband:And anyway my point is not to argue what is unjust and unnecessary. All I am saying, if you are prepared to argue for something, be prepared for opposition! Dun call people bigots or what lah...i say play a fair game mah...if your arguments are strong enough, I am sure it will go thru in the end one lah... -
The are cases of geys who abondon their homo obsession.Originally posted by udontknowme:anyone can seek counselling if they have issues with their sexual orientation. however, you cannot force anyone to seek therapy just because they are homosexual.
homosexuality has been taken off the DSM in the early 1970s. so it's no longer a disorder.
psychologists will not try to change your sexual orientation if you seek counselling. they can however try to help you overcome your 'discomfort' or whatever...there were times when certain methods were used to 'change' homosexuals. usually, more harm is done to the patient during that process.
and i wonder what makes u think it's a habit...
someone who is addicted to drugs 'need' the drugs to 'survive'
what is it that homosexuals need to 'keep themselves alive'????
geez
so have no idea how stupid and ignorant your post sounded. -
PRP, I think after all your ramblings, you should do the right thing and go out into the streets and tell those homosexuals what you said down here, else all this talk is just hot air. Helpless ramblings of a chronic homophobic. Got the "balls" for that?Originally posted by PRP:The are cases of geys who abondon their homo obsession.
.........I think not.......... -
Udon knows more about the psychology of sexual orientation far more than you will ever know.Originally posted by happieman:Another good question for you ..
you need to be educated .. -
The original intent of this thread has been de-railed.
Religion ---> religious leaders ----> fight homosexuality....correct?
I say Go for it.
Fight it.
Suppress the pink parade movement as much as you possibly can.
And from your efforts may you have peace of mind that you have done your best in fighting for something you believe in.
Strictly from my standpoint only, and i do not speak on behalf of the general gay population when i say this....I am gay and im most definately here to stay.
You can fight it all you want...and so could i...but i'm too busying living my own life to want to bother about what someone else thinks about it.
I answer to my creator at the end of it all....and i live my life in accordance to the most basic fundemental understanding of what goodness means.
And I know god loves me just as much as he loves my heterosexual brothers.
So I will not be judged by you, or anyone else.
You only matter in your own world.
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Same tired arguments from the gay lobby again. The american psychiatrists have allowed the science to be swayed by politically correctness. The pseudoscience of the gay psychologists have no hard evidence to show that so-called sexual orientation cannot be changed. Just because psychopaths cannot help their personality disorder does not mean we must allow them to live out their natural tendenciesOriginally posted by udontknowme:anyone can seek counselling if they have issues with their sexual orientation. however, you cannot force anyone to seek therapy just because they are homosexual.
homosexuality has been taken off the DSM in the early 1970s. so it's no longer a disorder.
psychologists will not try to change your sexual orientation if you seek counselling. they can however try to help you overcome your 'discomfort' or whatever...there were times when certain methods were used to 'change' homosexuals. usually, more harm is done to the patient during that process.
and i wonder what makes u think it's a habit...
someone who is addicted to drugs 'need' the drugs to 'survive'
what is it that homosexuals need to 'keep themselves alive'????
geez
so have no idea how stupid and ignorant your post sounded. -
Yada yada.....Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Same tired arguments from the gay lobby again. The american psychiatrists have allowed the science to be swayed by politically correctness. The pseudoscience of the gay psychologists have no hard evidence to show that so-called sexual orientation cannot be changed. Just because psychopaths cannot help their personality disorder does not mean we must allow them to live out their natural tendencies
I bet you'd be saying the same thing about gender equality 20-30 years ago...