I don't see the geys polite and respectul.Many pro-homo members use insults, sacarsticism & names on members who argue strongly agaist homo.I think many of them don't want to deate with geys.Originally posted by Phaze:The gay community was polite and respectful. So much so that Lee Hsien Loong described letters from the gay community as 'model answers'.
The gay community was well aware that threats would only damage their cause. Whoever sent the letter was not representative of the gay community any more than Westboro Baptist Church http://www.westborobaptistchurch.com is representative of christians.
You make sweeping statements all the time. We find it hard to take you seriously. Admit it, you don't like them, and the only reason you don't like them is because they are homosexuals.Originally posted by PRP:I don't see the geys polite and respectul.Many pro-homo members use insults, sacarsticism & names on members who argue strongly agaist homo.I think many of them don't want to deate with geys.
you know what is focus or not?Originally posted by Phaze:Then why did she not fight to retain the laws making oral and anal sex illegal.
Why did she not argue as ardently and passionately?
Many of them are very conservative Christian MPs who go to churches who can be quite fundamentalist.Originally posted by PRP:Why did NMP Thio get spontaneous thumbing of seats by MPs during the parliament debate on homo?No other MP (except PM get an applause) get that for that debate!
Really unnatural what. If you have six digits on your hand, do you call that natural?Originally posted by Phaze:You call them unnatural when it is nature (or your god) that made them that way.
What is next?Originally posted by Phaze:Democracy is not all about the will of the majority, it's also about protecting the rights of minorities.
Let's not jump the gun ya.Originally posted by Icemoon:What is next?
Making homo marriage legal?![]()
That one reserved for Laurence82.Originally posted by Icemoon:What is next?
Making homo marriage legal?![]()
Where got impose? Until the day the *majority* of Singaporeans can accept it, Christians are not imposing their views on others. Any more than homos are imposing their views on the *majority* of Singaporeans. Keep the status quo!Originally posted by Phaze:Well the fundamental problem is that Christianity is full of contradictions.
However, I'm not saying that believers should condone homosexuality. If they want to think that homosexuality is a sin, fine. They just shouldn't do it then.
But why should Christians, or people of any other religion, impose their views on others. And is keeping homosexuality illegal a good demonstration of Christian love?
wa .. now come to IR issue ah?Originally posted by reyes:what i disapprove of thio is linking this gay issue with religions. she should leave that out. I think gambling has a greater impact on our society than gay sex. she should voice louder on the IR issue.
Gay community should campaign it, promoting gay comunity can promote tourism, how it can help PAP bring big bucks and etc. PAP just want money, they cna change any law to suit it, if they want to.
Well said!Originally posted by Icemoon:Where got impose? Until the day the *majority* of Singaporeans can accept it, Christians are not imposing their views on others. Any more than homos are imposing their views on the *majority* of Singaporeans. Keep the status quo!
I think it is a slippery slope making homosexuality legal. Once it is legal, then homosexuality marriage should be legal as well? Or else the pro-homo will accuse the govt of making it legal "on paper". Like we are a democractic country "on paper" only .. the press and election doesn't reflect it.
How did u conclude I don't like geys?However,how can one know someone is a gey?Originally posted by crosshairs:You make sweeping statements all the time. We find it hard to take you seriously. Admit it, you don't like them, and the only reason you don't like them is because they are homosexuals.
Homosexuality will exist - it is either you want it underground or in the open.Originally posted by Icemoon:Where got impose? Until the day the *majority* of Singaporeans can accept it, Christians are not imposing their views on others. Any more than homos are imposing their views on the *majority* of Singaporeans. Keep the status quo!
I think it is a slippery slope making homosexuality legal. Once it is legal, then homosexuality marriage should be legal as well? Or else the pro-homo will accuse the govt of making it legal "on paper". Like we are a democractic country "on paper" only .. the press and election doesn't reflect it.
Actually we are also sympathetic to the gay and lesbian cause that's why we are not enforcing 377A (or 377 last time).Originally posted by fymk:Homosexuality will exist - it is either you want it underground or in the open.
Take for example, Australia is sympathetic to the gay and lesbian cause but they do not give the same recognition OR benefits to homosexual couples and the Federal government overturned a law in the Australian Capital Territory to legalise gay marriages.
By stating that keeping homosexuality illegal , are you calling a gay person a criminal comparable to that of a thief? The difference between a homosexual and a criminal is that the homosexual keeps to his own business and his willing partners while the criminal imposes on other parties who are unwilling.
Wah .. so siong ah.Originally posted by fymk:What's next for the so called traditional family orientated person? Let's ban prostitution as well since it is against family values. Shut down geylang and deport the foreign hookers. How about making a legislation against mistresses? They also break up families. Imprisonment for adultery? That will keep families traditional and prevent divorces. There you go - keeping the traditional family orientation safe!
That's why lah.Originally posted by fymk:I do not accept their lifestyle but I do not seek to impose my views on them. Gays and lesbians are like you and I but they choose to have a different lifestyle. So what? They are not robbing me or stealing my wallet .
But prostitution isn't a Penal offence, but homosexuality and it's expression of love within that framework is.Originally posted by Icemoon:Wah .. so siong ah.
Govt never even imprison gays .. you start breaking up licensed hookers' ricebowl liao?
It is not a penal offence because geylang was set up to help reduce crimes like molest and rape?Originally posted by LazerLordz:But prostitution isn't a Penal offence, but homosexuality and it's expression of love within that framework is.
Then by your logic, why even bother with a law that is redundant? The laws made are to keep order. If it is not kept , then it is useless .Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually we are also sympathetic to the gay and lesbian cause that's why we are not enforcing 377A (or 377 last time).(the opposite argument can be made .. we are so unsympathetic to drug traffickers that they deserve death penalty for a mere 15g of drug)
It is like .. we turn a blind eye to illegal peddlers on the street .. unless they sell pirated DVDs.
I don't understand why should a gay feel inferior because homosexuality is illegal. Last time so many couple poke each another backside or suck the pianist, do they feel criminalised?
In fact, the reason why there is a big hoorah now is *precisely* because 377 is overturned. So gays are asking, why not overturn 377A also? So unfair .. NMP Thio complain about homosexuality but never complain about sucking pianist ah? Last time gays and pianist suckers complain together .. but now pianist suckers vindicted liao so gays feel dulan. after all both parties poke and suck the same object but one party is innocent while the other guilty.
At the end of the day .. it is still .. *points at the status quo*. Even if 377A is overturned, the problem of public discrimination will still exist .. right?
So are you assuming that there are men in Singapore have to tendency to molest and rape women if there is no prostitution?Originally posted by Icemoon:It is not a penal offence because geylang was set up to help reduce crimes like molest and rape?![]()
Any decent conservative and traditional structured families who wants to oppose them on the basis that gays break up families , should oppose prostitution, adultery etc.Originally posted by countdracula:please understand that not only mainstream christians are opposed to homo banging, decent family structured families oppose them too...
Unfortunately the gay lobby has no respect for a basic tenet of democracy: that in any society there will be a divergence of opinions and the majority must prevail. These western liberals form a small minority but yet they constantly attempt to impose their views on the vast majority. When they do not get their way, they resort to thuggery and hooliganism. The gay lobby must be muzzled and restrained until they learn to respect the laws of the land.Originally posted by Icemoon:Where got impose? Until the day the *majority* of Singaporeans can accept it, Christians are not imposing their views on others. Any more than homos are imposing their views on the *majority* of Singaporeans. Keep the status quo!
I think it is a slippery slope making homosexuality legal. Once it is legal, then homosexuality marriage should be legal as well? Or else the pro-homo will accuse the govt of making it legal "on paper". Like we are a democractic country "on paper" only .. the press and election doesn't reflect it.