7 yo starved to death,in Aussie!
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INFANTICIDE, abandoned babies, vanishing mothers. What on earth is going on in decent, safe, law-abiding Singapore?
Over the last three weeks, there's been at least one reported case of infanticide or abandoned baby a week. In one case a newborn baby was found dead outside a Jurong flat. In another case, a woman gave birth in an alley and fled leaving her newborn behind. In yet another case, a young girl was accosted by a woman who handed her a baby to mind for a while and vanished.
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Even more urgently, the authorities should re-visit the idea of "baby repositories" at strategic and convenient places throughout the island to prevent babies being left in rubbish dumps and other unsafe places. Last year, the Government rejected the idea on the basis that it would indirectly encourage or sanction child abandonment. This may have been a good enough justification at that time, perhaps, but in light of the recent revelations, it merits another think.
The concept has worked well in countries - Germany, Italy, Hungary, Austria, South Africa - that have adopted it. One of the main reasons is because the mother's anonymity is maintained. In Germany, for example, mothers can drop their babies through a chute at a specially designated place. The baby drops onto a soft heated bed, triggering off an alarm at a nearby hospital.
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Source: http://www.singapore-window.org/sw03/030217la.htm
In Australia, we have crazy people who abuses the child and left her to unattended.
In Singapore, we have sane people throwing newborns into the rubbish chute.
Which do you think is worse?
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Singaporeans think ahead like the government, they throw their newborn into the rubbish chute before they can feed, that way they don't need to waste money on milk. No chance for starvation here.Originally posted by lionnoisy:Tell how SG system killed our kids,starved our kids!! -
lionnoisy,
Have you ever been to Australia?
What other countries have you been to? -
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You might want to go live in an Aboriginal community for a while...
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That pic is bullsh*t and misleading.
What happened is still messed up though, hard to believe that this could happen in Aussie. Though Aussie provides much better healthcare and welfare I'd hate to think what would've happened if that family was living in Singaporean but I guess there're always countries worse off such as Ethiopian and African. -
oh man....
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yah imagine down the years, we will be there.. really there... *Goosebumps*Originally posted by ^tamago^:Frankly, i think they are now trying to work our old citizens to near-death, and some have decided to kill themselves at the nearest MRT stations. Not forgetting the suicide cases that never get reported.
One Australian news report can make you post here with joy. I wonder what are you thinking.
nightmare
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Well , before you start trolling me. You do not like me because I got out of Singapore and you think that somehow it is your business to insult me . Hey if you want to stay in Singapore, good for you. Don't take it out on me.Originally posted by sgdiehard:you are really sick, and just cannot accept another news about Australia without comparing it with Singapore.
Is what lionnoisy posted a cut and paste news to discredit Australia or it is a genuine case of misfortune?
Is it a case of child abuse, or is it a case of negligence where a child died even under the care of the community care service?
Wherever this happened, it is a disgrace to the society and the authorities, australia or singapore. The fact that there are child abuses in Singapore does not make child abuse in Australia any more legitimate or insignificant, or vice versa.
Besides, cases of child murdered by maniac or occults are very different from cases of children starved to death.
Its about time you wake up and think without prejudice or biasness, australia, singapore or timbucktu.
As we all know, especially by the posts some of the responding forumners did , Lionnoisy likes to compare. I am responding fairly.
As everyone knows, crimes happen everywhere. Each countries have their problems to deal with. No body is forcing Lionnoisy or anyone to move to Australia - so why is Lionnoisy so preoccupied with the news there? If Lionnoisy wishes to address the issue of child abuse FAIRLY- what better way can she/he do it by looking at the home country she/he is staying in and comparing it with ALL the DEVELOPED countries. She/he can identify gaps to improve lives of children in Singapore . That is more conducive I would think. As we all know, there is no way that child abuse can be eradicated - some people in the world who ought to be banned from having kids, are still having them!
Lionnoisy will have to be very prepared for the criticism of Singapore because both countries are NOT perfect. And right about most regular forumners already know that Lionnoisy is always yapping about the perfection of Singapore. And this TS already admitted to being anti australian in the first thread. So I think your statement would be more appropriately APPLIED to her/him than I , judging by her/his responses. It is best that you also practice what you preach .
A child dead by negligence is just as appalling as a child murdered with or without physical torture. It does not matter what the cause is or where it happened - a life was taken unnaturally and unfairly especially if it is a child because they are dependent on their guardians/parents for protection.. That makes the crime all the more heinous.
Everything bad and horrible is reported openly in Australia - they cannot cover up because of the INDEPENDENT press. And of course the independent press like to sensationalise things since it is actually the election year. Sometimes freedom of speech does have its benefits when it comes to improving the system. -
Originally posted by fymk:
Well , before you start trolling me. You do not like me because I got out of Singapore and you think that somehow it is your business to insult me . Hey if you want to stay in Singapore, good for you. Don't take it out on me.
As we all know, especially by the posts some of the responding forumners did , Lionnoisy likes to compare. I am responding fairly.
As everyone knows, crimes happen everywhere. Each countries have their problems to deal with. [b]No body is forcing Lionnoisy or anyone to move to Australia - so why is Lionnoisy so preoccupied with the news there? If Lionnoisy wishes to address the issue of child abuse FAIRLY- what better way can she/he do it by looking at the home country she/he is staying in and comparing it with ALL the DEVELOPED countries. She/he can identify gaps to improve lives of children in Singapore . That is more conducive I would think. As we all know, there is no way that child abuse can be eradicated - some people in the world who ought to be banned from having kids, are still having them!
Lionnoisy will have to be very prepared for the criticism of Singapore because both countries are NOT perfect. And right about most regular forumners already know that Lionnoisy is always yapping about the perfection of Singapore. And this TS already admitted to being anti australian in the first thread. So I think your statement would be more appropriately APPLIED to her/him than I , judging by her/his responses. It is best that you also practice what you preach .
A child dead by negligence is just as appalling as a child murdered with or without physical torture. It does not matter what the cause is or where it happened - a life was taken unnaturally and unfairly especially if it is a child because they are dependent on their guardians/parents for protection.. That makes the crime all the more heinous.
Everything bad and horrible is reported openly in Australia - they cannot cover up because of the INDEPENDENT press. And of course the independent press like to sensationalise things since it is actually the election year. Sometimes freedom of speech does have its benefits when it comes to improving the system.
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you really insult me by thinking that I take it on you because you got out of Singapore, but you insult yourself by using words like trolling.
I read the exchanges between you, Daddy!! and Gazelle, I didn't want to join in just to insult you, though there were many opportunities provided by you. I only responded to you comparison between political rights of the Malays in Singapore vs aboriginals in Australia. Your presentations of the aboriginals in politics were obviously twisted, and comparing that with the situation of the Malays in Singapore is totally outrages. I just put the issue in the right perspective, whether you are in or out of Singapore.
Is it necessary to bring in issues in Singapore just because of some misfortune in oz? I don't point to such sickness because you are out of Singapore, because there are also such person like Maurizio 13 who is in Singapore. His sickness is more serious for he could take his anger over to the Military Nuts forum just to take on a forumite.
The fact that M13 can post pictures of abandoned babies in Singapore show that such incidents are not covered, doesn't it? The difference between the two incidents is that in Singapore there should be more education on sex and abortion, while in Australia, you need to check and make sure the relevant Community Services Department do their job. 
We have over 4 millions Singaporeans here calling Singapore our home. If you want to leave you leave. I have many friends who left Singapore. But don't come back to run down Singapore just to show you were right to emigrate, and we should all follow you, beware that the Singaporeans here are not down and out, stupid and naive. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Actually YES. Even if they can-not cover it up, it will still be 'effortless' for the people to do anything. The 'POWER' of an autocratic-stle leadership, if you get me?
2.u think PAP can cover everything and anything in SG?
U just treat all Singaporeans like sheep.
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hurray to lionnoisy on yet another aussie bashing post!
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Nope, its not sheeps. Rather cows. U know what happens to cows when 'THEY' need milk? 'THEY' milked the cows for their money *cough* ahemm I meant milks. =)Originally posted by lionnoisy:U just treat all Singaporeans like sheep.
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Whether fymk's representation of Australian aborigines is twisted is subjected to individual interpretation, maybe because of your political alliance with P4P, you choose to distinguish Australia in a negative light, so as to elevate P4P to a higher ground.Originally posted by sgdiehard: you really insult me by thinking that I take it on you because you got out of Singapore, but you insult yourself by using words like trolling.
I read the exchanges between you, Daddy!! and Gazelle, I didn't want to join in just to insult you, though there were many opportunities provided by you. I only responded to you comparison between political rights of the Malays in Singapore vs aboriginals in Australia. Your presentations of the aboriginals in politics were obviously twisted, and comparing that with the situation of the Malays in Singapore is totally outrages. I just put the issue in the right perspective, whether you are in or out of Singapore.
Is it necessary to bring in issues in Singapore just because of some misfortune in oz? I don't point to such sickness because you are out of Singapore, because there are also such person like Maurizio 13 who is in Singapore. His sickness is more serious for he could take his anger over to the Military Nuts forum just to take on a forumite.
The fact that M13 can post pictures of abandoned babies in Singapore show that such incidents are not covered, doesn't it? The difference between the two incidents is that in Singapore there should be more education on sex and abortion, while in Australia, you need to check and make sure the relevant Community Services Department do their job.
We have over 4 millions Singaporeans here calling Singapore our home. If you want to leave you leave. I have many friends who left Singapore. But don't come back to run down Singapore just to show you were right to emigrate, and we should all follow you, beware that the Singaporeans here are not down and out, stupid and naive.
What transpired between hloc and me in Military Nuts, is personal, I just wanted to piss him off. Why did I choose to get personal? Because he got personal by calling me names first, I only returned the courtesy many times over.
Anyway, there is no distinction between Speaker's Corner and Military Nuts or any other different forums, because it is SGFORUMS. If a topic subsist, the administrators will block out the topic and ask that forumers continue in the existing thread. Thereby, there is no distinction between the different forums, it is only ONE forum with many different interest.
Are you sure that there are 4 million Singaporeans? By the term Singaporeans, I suppose you mean CITIZENS. FYI, our current TOTAL population stands at 4.68 million. Or are you like the government which chose to mar the line between residents and citizens? Get your facts and figures correct and stop making a fool of yourself.
Resident is defined as:
Residential Status
Singapore citizens and permanent residents are classified as Singapore residents or the resident population. Singapore permanent residents refer to non-citizens who have been granted permanent residence in Singapore. Non-resident population are those who are non-citizens and non-permanent residents of Singapore, such as employment pass holders, work permit holders, student pass holders, dependent pass holders and long-term social visit pass holders.
Out of the total 4.68 million TOTAL population, 3.675 million are RESIDENTS. Out of this 3.675 million RESIDENTS, it is further broken down into PERMANENT RESIDENTS and CITIZENS. The Department of Statistics chooses to censor information regarding the population of CITIZENS these days, probably for fear that it will enrage the CITIZENS due to the mass influx of cheap 3rd world RESIDENTS.
We could only have an estimation of what the current CITIZENS population is. In 2000, they did a census, results of the census was RESIDENT population was 3.26 million (CITIZENS = 2.97 million & PERMANENT RESIDENT = 290,000). By the way, our growth rate has been on the decline, due to migrations and fewer births. Early in the year, the government talks about increasing the population size to 6 million, which can only be achieved by artificial means such as getting made in 3rd world countries and stamping them with made in Singapore rubber stamp.
The widespread effect of these 3rd world immigrants can be seen all over. Even Macdonalds these days employ native Indonesians, Filippinos and mainlanders. Frankly, I have nothing against these people of other countries, because it's the fault of our government for not controlling their immigration en masse.
Like I said in a previous post, Australia is much much bigger than Singapore. Therefore you have to stop using small city mentality on a big country. It's harder to regulate a big country than a puny dot. Have you ever been to the country side in Australia? There are vast expanses of land, if you live in those areas, there could very well be very little passersby.
If you think our Singapore is such a caring nation, maybe you can explain why so many Singaporeans stood by watching a lady being stabbed in broad daylight, while all they can do is video taped the situation and post it on their blog.
If Singapore ruled Australia, I can assure you the same issues such as Shellay will occur and reccur. I am afraid this application of small city in a big country environment is endemic in the no so brilliant population, it even subsist in our NTUC Comfort. Some years back, NTUC launch a taxi service in China, they get taxi drivers to rent their taxis in China. The taxi drivers leased the taxis, paid a deposit and the taxis when driven out NTUC was never heard of again. NTUC employed the same small city mentality in a big country, which resulted in a heavy loss. Though they have satelite tracking on the taxis, the taxis was never recovered because it's driven to another province, spray painted and satelite tracking removed.
I would think that the majority of friends you have that emigrated from Singapore are much smarter than you. Or maybe they are less patriotic, they chose to leave a country which has failed their aspirations, whereas, you have chose to fight for a lost cause, albeit a little foolish. Most that chose to remain in Singapore, might be for family reasons or like Gazelle (who was rejected by the Australian government for immigration status, that's why he is biased against white people), a large majority of the population might not qualify for immigrations to other countries due to educational status or money. -
LOL why should I run Singapore down at all? Merely stating facts. M13 was just showing a newspaper clipping. People ask me why I leave so I say it out. Got a problem with my opinions ?Originally posted by sgdiehard: you really insult me by thinking that I take it on you because you got out of Singapore, but you insult yourself by using words like trolling.
I read the exchanges between you, Daddy!! and Gazelle, I didn't want to join in just to insult you, though there were many opportunities provided by you. I only responded to you comparison between political rights of the Malays in Singapore vs aboriginals in Australia. Your presentations of the aboriginals in politics were obviously twisted, and comparing that with the situation of the Malays in Singapore is totally outrages. I just put the issue in the right perspective, whether you are in or out of Singapore.
Is it necessary to bring in issues in Singapore just because of some misfortune in oz? I don't point to such sickness because you are out of Singapore, because there are also such person like Maurizio 13 who is in Singapore. His sickness is more serious for he could take his anger over to the Military Nuts forum just to take on a forumite.
The fact that M13 can post pictures of abandoned babies in Singapore show that such incidents are not covered, doesn't it? The difference between the two incidents is that in Singapore there should be more education on sex and abortion, while in Australia, you need to check and make sure the relevant Community Services Department do their job.
We have over 4 millions Singaporeans here calling Singapore our home. If you want to leave you leave. I have many friends who left Singapore. But don't come back to run down Singapore just to show you were right to emigrate, and we should all follow you, beware that the Singaporeans here are not down and out, stupid and naive.
If you were practicing what you were preaching - you would also look at your own backyard instead of issuing pompous remarks or statements. What's wrong with showing the problems of Singapore if someone else wishes to show the problems of Australia?
You seem to think that Singaporeans are dumb, not me . Why tell me to beware of that fact that Singaporeans are not dumb and out , stupid and naive? I already know it. As a Singaporean , why should I insult myself as well? LOL . What can my remarks do? Nothing really - it is an expression of my experience or my opinions. People can choose to disagree or agree civilly and move on.
If you take issue - that's your problem. You are already twisting your own words in the other posting - first you denied that Malays are considered indigenous and yapped about them coming from southern china. Well the tables turned - go learn the constitution and see what Singapore says.
Oh yeah you sound like that MP who spoken down to me in the forum ,when I was just a teenager "encouraged to speak my mind". MIW training , right? Sorry I don't conform and I don't like to pretend that I am conformist.
Why should I run down Singapore since my history is in it? In my CV , it states very clearly where I was educated and where I was working in. Why poison my own roots? It does not help me one bit at all. It will be literally stabbing myself in the foot if I criticise Singapore in Australia. I don't agree with govt policies and I will criticise govt policies because it does not benefit common Singaporeans like me and a few others here. The govt already set policies which driven people like me away. Want more skill drainage? And MIND you there are alot of common Singaporeans out there in Singapore wishing for a better life regardless of whether it is in Singapore or overseas.
Lionnoisy is doing the direct opposite - what do you think if an australian comes in and see that? Where the heck did you think the term " Ugly Singaporean" in reference to Singaporeans overseas, came from? They criticise other countries without looking at their own backyard first which they seem to think it is PERFECTION. -
Singapore government and it's supporters are ADVERSE to all views and opinions that subject them to a negative light. They can only live amongst the shadows.Originally posted by fymk:LOL why should I run Singapore down at all? Merely stating facts. M13 was just showing a newspaper clipping. People ask me why I leave so I say it out. Got a problem with my opinions ?
If you were practicing what you were preaching - you would also look at your own backyard instead of issuing pompous remarks or statements. What's wrong with showing the problems of Singapore if someone else wishes to show the problems of Australia?
You seem to think that Singaporeans are dumb, not me . Why tell me to beware of that fact that Singaporeans are not dumb and out , stupid and naive? I already know it. As a Singaporean , why should I insult myself as well? LOL . What can my remarks do? Nothing really - it is an expression of my experience or my opinions. People can choose to disagree or agree civilly and move on.
If you take issue - that's your problem. You are already twisting your own words in the other posting - first you denied that Malays are considered indigenous and yapped about them coming from southern china. Well the tables turned - go learn the constitution and see what Singapore says.
Oh yeah you sound like that MP who spoken down to me in the forum ,when I was just a teenager "encouraged to speak my mind". MIW training , right? Sorry I don't conform and I don't like to pretend that I am conformist.
Why should I run down Singapore since my history is in it? In my CV , it states very clearly where I was educated and where I was working in. Why poison my own roots? It does not help me one bit at all. It will be literally stabbing myself in the foot if I criticise Singapore in Australia.
Lionnoisy is doing the direct opposite - what do you think if an australian comes in and see that? Where the heck did you think the term " Ugly Singaporean" in reference to Singaporeans overseas, came from?
One principle that we should abide by is, we should look ourself in the mirror before we criticise about others.
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For every bad shown on australian soil , there will be one in Singapore.Originally posted by maurizio13:Singapore government and it's supporters are ADVERSE to all views and opinions that subject them to a negative light. They can only live amongst the shadows.
No country is perfect. Each have their flaws and each have benefits.
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Well, if someone is a frog living in a well, you get water and flies, then everything should be fine and dandy.Originally posted by fymk:They criticise other countries without looking at their own backyard first which they seem to think it is PERFECTION. -
Agree.Originally posted by fymk:For every bad shown on australian soil , there will be one in Singapore.
No country is perfect. Each have their flaws and each have benefits.
If anyone would likes to criticise another country, take a look at your own backyard.
The reason that Singapore has little or no cases such as Shellay is because we are more clustered, unlike Australia which is big and hard to regulate.
No country is perfect, each have their flaws and benefits. Agreed, but seems like our benefits favour the ruling elites, in the form of cronyism.
Before you criticise anyone, look yourself in the mirror first. You might be another lionnoisy or Steven Lim criticizing Tom Cruise. -
western medias reported how firemen rescued a cat
trapped in US city,or a dog dell into a well.
But why they do not reported kid starved to death
in developed like aussie in 2007?
I think it is a big news that western medias overlooked
to report this news.
2.Damn it.It has been a ''dunt care culture'' that Aussie
is running like a 3 rd world country.
AUTHORITIES received warnings about the risk to Shellay Ward and her siblings over a 14-year period, it was revealed yesterday, as the head of the Department of Community Services conceded his officials failed the seven-year-old.--We let Shellay down, says DOCS boss,Alexandra Smith and Jordan Baker
November 10, 2007--www.smh.com.au/news
Good 14 years!!
3.New born baby dumped.Most of the times ,it cant be helped.
But child abuse take months or years and no body
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Really don't want to waste my time arguing with you, but can't help but laugh at this statement. You really think there is a skill drainage?Originally posted by fymk:The govt already set policies which driven people like me away. Want more skill drainage? -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Can't really blame the Australian authorities, the parents are mental cases.
western medias reported how firemen rescued a cat
trapped in US city,or a dog dell into a well.
But why they do not reported kid starved to death
in developed like aussie in 2007?
I think it is a big news that western medias overlooked
to report this news.
2.Damn it.It has been a ''dunt care culture'' that Aussie
is running like a 3 rd world country.
This is the correct picture for Shellay Ward, not that Ethiopian boy starving from malnutrition which you posted. Goes to prove my point, the P4P supporters here are good at distorting facts by posting LIES to deceive the forumers.
[b]AUTHORITIES received warnings about the risk to Shellay Ward and her siblings over a 14-year period, it was revealed yesterday, as the head of the Department of Community Services conceded his officials failed the seven-year-old.--We let Shellay down, says DOCS boss,Alexandra Smith and Jordan Baker
November 10, 2007--www.smh.com.au/news
Good 14 years!!
3.New born baby dumped.Most of the times ,it cant be helped.
But child abuse take months or years and no body
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She didn't starve to death per se, she was abused by parents who are mental.
If the western media overlooked it, how did you managed to read about the news and linked it for other forumers to read?
Are you on some hallucinogenics again?
"...The call came after the girl's father Blakeley claimed his wife Sharon had desperately tried to revive their daughter for three hours after discovering her lifeless body.
The investigation into the girl's appalling death stalled yesterday, with Mrs Ward placed on suicide watch.
Mr Ward again denied any family involvement in his daughter's death and revealed his wife had tried for hours to resuscitate the youngster before calling for help.
"My kids are my life. No kids - no life, that's how I see it," he told The Daily Telegraph.
Mr Ward said his daughter, who was autistic, was depressed after the family moved from Maroubra in Sydney's east to the state's North Coast.
He said his wife was "distraught" over Shellay's death and was later taken to Newcastle Hospital after overdosing on pain killers.
The couple were taken to a mental health facility on Tuesday night but were back at their Hawks Nest home yesterday...."
BY THE WAY, WHAT HAS AUSTRALIA GOT TO DO WITH SGFORUMS???
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Singapore - A Singapore man who pleaded guilty to molesting his neighbours' daughter from the age of five until she was 11, making her perform sexual acts on him, was jailed for 21 years and ordered to receive eight strokes of the cane, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.
The Straits Times said the 46-year-old former driver abused the child starting in 1999 and continued until the girl reported him to police in March.
The man who was a friend of her parents "abused a position of trust", said Justice VK Rajah. He "callously treated the victim as a sexual tool to satisfy his deprived cravings", the judge said.
Married with two children when he began abusing the girl, the man wept while pleading guilty on Tuesday to five of 11 charges.
In a written plea, the accused apologized to the victim and wrote he was not an "evil man".
The court heard one of the first incidents took place when the man's daughters were playing hide and seek with his neighbours' children.
The girl had hidden in the master bedroom, and the man followed her and forced the child to perform oral sex on him, the report said. On other occasions, he molested her on his daughters' bunk bed and forced her to strip in the kitchen while videotaping her.
Deputy Public Prosecutor Shahla Iqbal said the girl learned the nature of what was happening to her during her sex education classes at school.
She did not realise it was wrong until she heard her mother talking about rape, the prosecutor said. - Sapa-dpa
I am flabbergasted!!!
How did a girl child get sexually abused by a male neighbour???
Isn't Singapore supposed to be orderly?
Singapore is a small city, nothing can escape the eyes and ears of our super efficient police force.
How can such a thing happen for 5 years???
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Singapore- Three women who allegedly persuaded their daughters to have sex with their father have been charged with abetting incest, news reports said Wednesday. Two of the women face one charge each, while the oldest, at 41, faces six, The Straits Times said. She is said to have asked the girls, one of whom is her own daughter, to go into a bedroom and have sex with their father.
The alleged offences were committed from December 2003 to June 2005, when the girls were aged between 12 and 17.
The manÂ’s first wife, a 38-year-old, has been charged with helping him have sex with her 17-year-old daughter in June 2004.
How come Singapore police so useless, cases of incest which is against humanity happened right infront of their noses for 1.5 years?