7 yo starved to death,in Aussie!

• maurizio13

  11 Nov 07, 00:53

  Father of 64 jailed for raping daughters
  
  20 April 2006 http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/images/null.gif
  SINGAPORE: A Singaporean Muslim man with 10 wives and 64 children was sentenced to 32 years in jail and a caning for raping five of his under-age daughters, court documents showed.
  
  The 45-year-old man, who cannot be named in order to protect the identity of his daughters, was sentenced after he pleaded guilty to five charges of rape and admitted to another 34 charges, including rape and attempted aggravated rape.
  
  "The numerous rapes in this case were systematic and sickening," said High Court Judge Tay Yong Kwang in the judgment.
  
  "The mothers of the young girls had somehow been persuaded by the accused that what he was doing was right. That deprived the daughters of one escape route that they could have taken – that of approaching some adults whom they trusted to confide in them their predicament."
  
  The court sentenced him to 24 strokes of the cane.
  
  According to the court documents, the man said he was a qualified religious teacher. During a religious class, he told his wives and daughters that, according to the Koran, he had complete ownership over his children as a father, including the right to have sex with them.
  
  The wives then acted as his messengers, telling their daughters to meet their father in his bedroom whenever he wanted sex over a period of 18 months.
  
  Two of the teenage daughters became pregnant and had to have abortions. The eldest daughter, who is now 16, went to the police last June to report the rapes.
  
  In his mitigation plea, the man said he had found his older daughters "behaving inappropriately" with boys and he thought that "if he could satisfy the sexual needs of his daughters, they would be less likely to engage in sexual activities with boys".
  
  The man, who ran a transportation business, had four legal wives and six contractual wives – an arrangement whereby a Muslim couple enters into a union for a fixed term. His 33 sons and 31 daughters range in age from 9 months to 16 years.
  
  Singapore's multiracial population is about 77 per cent ethnic Chinese, 14 per cent Malay, 8 per cent Indian, and 1 per cent Eurasian. Muslims are allowed to have a maximum of four wives. Contractual marriages are not recognised and are invalid.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3642085a12,00.html
  
  
  How can crimes of incest happen in Singapore for 1.5 years under the nose of the ever vigilant Singapore Police Force?
• maurizio13

  11 Nov 07, 01:33

  ABUSE IN CHILDREN'S HOME - TORTURED BECAUSE OF A PLAYFUL PRANK
  
  Boy made to strip and squat as welfare home's supervisor pours urine on his head
  He's worst abused among 12 boys who spoke to us during a 3-week investigation
  By Mindy Tan and Zaibaidah Nazeer
  April 02, 2007
  
  IT IS hard to imagine a sadder tale that Singapore journalists can uncover.
  
  Children left in the care of an established welfare home are tortured with impunity by their caregivers.
  
  Their silent screams bounce off the walls for years.
  
  One 12-year-old boy is brutally choked when he's lifted off the ground by his neck by an enraged childcare supervisor in a chilling incident a year ago.
  
  He also drenched a boy with urine - over a playful prank.
  
  The man was later dismissed by the children's home but the abuses have continued, alleged the boys.
  
  A source tipped off The New Paper on Sunday.
  
  What happened behind closed doors was so stunning that it was clear a discreet and sensitive approach would be needed to uncover the truth.
  
  We spoke to 12 of the 25 residents in the home. We interviewed them separately outside the home. Eleven claimed they had been abused and a 12th boy corroborated their accounts.
  
  After three weeks of investigation, we alerted the police and the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports.
  
  An official probe is underway. Meanwhile, here are the painful stories related by the tortured teenage boys.
  
  TORTURE BY URINE
  The welfare home, set up to care for and educate kids of hard-up parents or guardians, is not being identified to protect the identities of the innocent children. All the names have been changed.
  
  Listening to the kids' tales of violent and harsh physical punishment over the last two years, one boy's story stands out.
  
  Adam, 12, claims that he suffered like no other.
  
  He once had urine poured on his head as punishment in November 2005.
  
  First, he was made to strip down to his underwear, squat over a toilet, and tuck his hand behind his knees.
  
  His childcare supervisor, Ja (not his real name), then poured urine over the then-10-year-old's head.
  
  It was Adam's punishment for a playful prank in the toilet - he had peed on his friend while they were in the toilet together.
  
  Adam had queued up with other boys to enter the 2nd-floor staff toilet to wash themselves in the evening. Three boys went in together each time.
  
  When it was Adam's turn, he decided to 'shoot' some urine onto a younger boy standing beside him.
  
  The younger boy cried and immediately complained to their supervisor, Ja.
  Adam said: 'He asked me, 'You like urine so much, right?' '
  
  Then, the supervisor yelled to the other boys waiting outside, asking for volunteers to urinate into a blue drinking cup.
  
  Two boys entered the toilet and each urinated into the cup, filling it to the brim, and handed it to Ja.
  
  Ja summoned Adam back into the toilet and closed the door.
  
  Adam claimed he was told to remove his clothes but to leave his underwear on.
  
  Recalling the incident, the wide-eyed Primary 6 boy said he obeyed for fear of a beating.
  
  Urine was then slowly poured over his head as he crouched, shivering, above a squat toilet.
  
  Despite the boy's pleas, Ja allegedly continued pouring it till the cup was empty.
  
  'I said 'sorry, sorry'. I said 'please don't do like this' but he did not listen,' claimed Adam.
  
  By this time, more boys had gathered, causing a commotion.
  
  Said Adam: 'Everybody was outside... I could hear other boys laughing.'
  
  A 13-year-old boy who spoke separately to The New Paper on Sunday verified the incident.
  
  'He (the supervisor) asked us to urinate into the cup. Then I saw him pouring the urine over Adam.'
  
  When the ordeal was over, Ja opened the door slightly and asked the 13-year-old boy to fetch new clothes for Adam.
  
  Adam's brother, Sam, 14, a Sec2 student, ran down from his third-storey dormitory after hearing the commotion.
  
  He said: 'My brother was crying and crying. I ran to hug him.
  
  'Everybody thought that was the end of the punishment.'
  
  Ja then aimed a hose at Adam, despite the boy's plea to let him 'bathe himself.'
  
  Adam said: 'I felt it was disgusting. It's filthy.'
  
  The New Paper on Sunday spoke to 10 boys on different occasions - each confirmed the incident and the identity of the victim.
  
  A more brutal action of the same supervisor was related by Nazri, 12.
  
  The boy was almost choked to death when he was grabbed by the neck and lifted off the ground in at least two incidents about a year ago.
  
  'HE STRANGLED ME'
  The skinny, 1.3m tall, Pri6 student said: 'Ja strangled me.'
  
  Nazri said he was late for an outing one day. He did not have shoes so he wore his slippers instead.
  
  This provoked the fury of Ja, who said 'cannot, cannot' and dragged him back to his dormitory.
  
  Then came Nazri's punishment.
  
  He claimed: 'He (Ja) strangled my neck, then he pulled me up. He pushed me to the cupboard.'
  
  According to Nazri, Ja had used both his 'giant' hands to choke him, the force of which pushed him backwards.
  
  He added: 'When Ja strangled me, I pushed his hand. I said 'go away, it's my business if I want to wear slippers.'
  
  Asked if he thought he was naughty, Nazri, who said he has been living there since he was 4, shrugged.
  
  He often cries when he's alone, but says he doesn't know why.
  
  And he doesn't know if he wants to stay on at the welfare home. But he may have no choice - his sick mother cannot take care of him and his father is dead.
  
  
• maurizio13

  11 Nov 07, 01:34

  The New Paper on Sunday understands that at least two other boys have been victims of such strangling attacks.
  
  Amir, 12, claimed he saw Ja grab his younger brother, who was aged 9 at the time, in the same manner 'for about three seconds.'
  
  Amir said: 'He didn't lock the door and I wanted to go in to ask something.
  'Suddenly I saw my brother being choked (against a cupboard in an officer's room).'
  
  He ran away.
  
  It is understood that Ja has since been dismissed. This came after he punched and kicked an 8-year-old boy, who was admitted to the hospital for more than a week.
  
  The boys also claimed that a current childcare supervisor, Sly (not his real name), also punished them harshly.
  
  Sam pointed to a scar on his neck when we spoke to him.
  
  He claimed he was 'slashed' last year in the dining hall in the presence of the other boys, who also spoke of the same incident.
  
  Sam had laughed at Sly because his cap was tilted.
  
  It was tongue-in-cheek, said Sam, but Sly took it seriously and allegedly dug the tip of a pen which he was holding across Sam's neck.
  
  Sam said: 'I just got up and washed the blood away with water.'
  
  He paused for a moment, resigned, as his spectacles slowly slid down his nose. The shelter would be his home until he enters National Service, said Sam.
  
  His father is dead, his mother is in prison and his elder sister has been repatriated to India as her visa had expired.
  
  His sister was in the dark about the abuses until The New Paper on Sunday spoke to her.
  
  Irfan, 14, who had been in the shelter for four years till last year, related horror stories when we met him at home three weeks ago.
  
  He was allegedly beaten up a few times by Ja, who had also banged his head against the lift door, for a minor incident over a year ago that he cannot remember.
  
  His account was corroborated by another boy who spoke to The New Paper on Sunday separately.
  
  Apparently, Irfan had left for school earlier than usual but he did not ask for permission to do so.
  
  Irfan claimed he was slapped on his head with so much force that his ears rang.
  
  Another time, he was grabbed by the shirt and thrown against the mirror near the lobby of the shelter.
  
  The mirror cracked, he claimed.
  
  Though he did not bleed, there was a bump on his head.
  
  He said: 'I feel like they are wrong, because they have no right to touch us.'
  
  'Sometimes we don't make mistakes. Nor are we in the wrong, but we still get scolded.'
  
  Irfan added: 'I got scolded vulgarities. Once, my brother was out of the home and he came to visit me. One of the supervisors did not allow this.
  
  He said to my brother, 'this is not your father's house'.
  
  'He talked bad about my brother while I was still inside. When he scolded me, he referred to my brother too... he used bad words lah...
  
  'Like 'son of a...'
  
  Irfan's voice trailed off.
  
  At times, the shelter was a 'cowboy' town, another 12-year-old said.
  
  'When Sly does the 'cowboy', he can be everywhere, even in the (parade) square.
  
  '(With the hanger), he bish-bish-bish.'
  
  Boys, some as young as pre-schoolers, have been made to stand-in-line facing the wall. They were hit on their heads if they were late for prayers.
  
  At least five boys confirmed this.
  
  SLAPPED TILL THEY FELL OVER
  Sometimes, they were slapped so hard, they fall over.
  
  Amir said: 'If one person misbehaves, all (of us) must do punishment.
  
  'He smacks all of us on the face...very hard. One of the big boys dodged and he hit the boy even harder.
  
  'The big boy fell down, but he did not cry. He kept quiet.'
  
  The New Paper on Sunday later spoke to this 'big boy', a secondary 2 student.
  
  He could not recall the particular incident because slapping incidences are too common. He added that he remembers being strangled.
  
  Said Adam: 'That time everybody scared of Ja because he got choke people, he got throw people. His hand is like elephant.
  
  'Now, we have Sly... he asks everybody line-up two-by-two, then beats us one-by-one on our heads.'
  
  The boy placed his palm on his cheeks to describe the frequent and forceful slaps.
  
  The situation wasn't this bad a few years ago, recalled Amir, who has been in the orphanage for seven years.
  
  He said: 'Before that all the big boys take care of us. We obeyed the big boys' rules.'
  
  He related the slapping incidents to his mother, a housewife.
  
  She wanted to complain after witnessing a boy being slapped hard, but never got around to doing it. (see report on Page 6)
  
  Amir said: 'My mother said to me, never mind, let it go, don't keep it in your heart.'
  
  ONE mother was shocked to see a boy being slapped with a book during mealtime.
  
  She told The New Paper that she was waiting at the reception near the dining hall to see her sons when she saw the incident early last year.
  
  She said: 'I saw a supervisor asking the boy, who is about 14 years old, to go to a corner and he slapped the boy with a book.
  
  'I was shocked.... actually it is not right for him to do that. He cannot do that in front of everyone.'
  
  Two of her nine children are in the home as her husband earns about $800 a month and cannot provide for all of them. Another son, Irfan, left the home in 2003.
  
  
• maurizio13

  11 Nov 07, 01:38

  The slapping incident stirred her suspicions about how staff members handle thechildren.
  
  At first, she thought her sons had been making up the stories.
  
  They told her that they were frequently slapped and hit, but she had no idea that one of them had been strangled.
  
  The turning point came when she and a few parents heard about a boy who was punched so hard that he had blue-black spots and wounds, and was hospitalised.
  
  The New Paper reported this last year.
  
  She got worried.
  
  The 42-year-old said that she and another parent, who also has her son in the home, had thought seriously about complaining.
  
  She said: 'Then I remembered Irfan telling me about vulgarities.
  
  'I won't allow the home to use this sort of punishment. How can you slap or punch so hard till there's a blue-black (mark)?
  
  'I told her (the other parent), we as mothers should come together and complain because if only one of us makes a complaint, there'll be no action.
  
  'I want the home to employ more professional staff.'
  
  While she and a few other parents are aware of some abuses, others like Madam Patima, 19, (her name has been changed to protect the identity of her wards) had no idea.
  
  She has two younger brothers in the children's home, one of whom is Adam, who had urine poured over his head.
  
  Madam Patima, who has two daughters aged 1 and 5, recently returned to India with her children.
  
  Her father, a Singaporean, died in 2000.
  
  Madam Patima's mother, an Indian national, is in prison for employing an illegal worker.
  
  When we visited Madam Patima at her flat before she left Singapore and played a voice recording of the interview with her brother, she was close to tears. She had no idea the extent of abuses her two brothers had suffered.
  
  She said: 'One of them did tell me he was bullied and he said that if he didn't do something, he would get beaten.
  
  'I didn't know whether they were bluffing.'
  
  Now, it seems, the children were telling the truth.
  
  ONE supervisor has been sacked and a police report has been filed against the home.
  
  In a written reply to our queries, the home said in a statement that it 'viewed the allegations against the accused officer very seriously'.
  
  'An immediate action was taken by making an internal investigation.
  
  'The investigation has since been completed and the services of the officer involved have been terminated,' it said.
  
  The home, which is affiliated to the National Council of Social Service, has instructed its staff to adhere to standard operating procedures on discipline.
  
  It has also briefed its residents on how they can convey their grievances to help the home monitor their welfare effectively.
  
  When we asked the home which supervisor was sacked, it said it was inappropriate to respond to further queries because the matter was under police investigation.
  
  A charity organisation acts as the parent body of the home.
  
  A management committee responsible to the charity looks after it. Committee members are volunteers.
  
  The home's daily operations are administered by full-time staff.
  
  In a separate statement, a spokesman for the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS) said that it has filed a police report against the home.
  
  Its spokesman wrote: 'MCYS takes a very serious view of such incidents.
  
  'MCYS is working closely with the home's management committee to ensure that the well-being of the residents is taken care of and to strengthen the home's disciplinary system.
  
  'We have warned them to comply with the Children and Young Persons Act, and the Standards of Care for Children and Young Persons Homes.
  
  'A police report has been filed, and appropriate actions would be taken thereafter.'
  
  
• maurizio13

  11 Nov 07, 01:41

  NOT FIRST INCIDENT
  This is not the first time that alleged abuse in the home has come to light. Last May, The New Paper reported how a boy was punched so hard that he suffered bruises and had to be hospitalised for a week.
  
  The boy almost fainted after he was punished in the middle of the night.
  
  The home's management committee chairman confirmed the incident but declined comment pending police investigations.
  
  Months earlier, in October 2005, a charity organisation which funds the same home was probed for financial irregularities.
  
  They were helping police in investigations involving an external aid scheme for orphans not staying in the homes.
  
  Some of the 743 non-residential orphans on cash disbursements scheme - which hands out money ranging from $50 to $100 monthly - failed to receive them at least once between January to May 2004.
  
  A staff member said the missing amount could be in the thousands.]The slapping incident stirred her suspicions about how staff members handle thechildren.
  
  At first, she thought her sons had been making up the stories.
  
  They told her that they were frequently slapped and hit, but she had no idea that one of them had been strangled.
  
  The turning point came when she and a few parents heard about a boy who was punched so hard that he had blue-black spots and wounds, and was hospitalised.
  
  The New Paper reported this last year.
  
  She got worried.
  
  The 42-year-old said that she and another parent, who also has her son in the home, had thought seriously about complaining.
  
  She said: 'Then I remembered Irfan telling me about vulgarities.
  
  'I won't allow the home to use this sort of punishment. How can you slap or punch so hard till there's a blue-black (mark)?
  
  'I told her (the other parent), we as mothers should come together and complain because if only one of us makes a complaint, there'll be no action.
  
  'I want the home to employ more professional staff.'
  
  While she and a few other parents are aware of some abuses, others like Madam Patima, 19, (her name has been changed to protect the identity of her wards) had no idea.
  
  She has two younger brothers in the children's home, one of whom is Adam, who had urine poured over his head.
  
  Madam Patima, who has two daughters aged 1 and 5, recently returned to India with her children.
  
  Her father, a Singaporean, died in 2000.
  
  Madam Patima's mother, an Indian national, is in prison for employing an illegal worker.
  
  When we visited Madam Patima at her flat before she left Singapore and played a voice recording of the interview with her brother, she was close to tears. She had no idea the extent of abuses her two brothers had suffered.
  
  She said: 'One of them did tell me he was bullied and he said that if he didn't do something, he would get beaten.
  
  'I didn't know whether they were bluffing.'
  
  Now, it seems, the children were telling the truth.
  
  ONE supervisor has been sacked and a police report has been filed against the home.
  
  In a written reply to our queries, the home said in a statement that it 'viewed the allegations against the accused officer very seriously'.
  
  'An immediate action was taken by making an internal investigation.
  
  'The investigation has since been completed and the services of the officer involved have been terminated,' it said.
  
  The home, which is affiliated to the National Council of Social Service, has instructed its staff to adhere to standard operating procedures on discipline.
  
  It has also briefed its residents on how they can convey their grievances to help the home monitor their welfare effectively.
  
  When we asked the home which supervisor was sacked, it said it was inappropriate to respond to further queries because the matter was under police investigation.
  
  A charity organisation acts as the parent body of the home.
  
  A management committee responsible to the charity looks after it. Committee members are volunteers.
  
  The home's daily operations are administered by full-time staff.
  
  In a separate statement, a spokesman for the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS) said that it has filed a police report against the home.
  
  Its spokesman wrote: 'MCYS takes a very serious view of such incidents.
  
  'MCYS is working closely with the home's management committee to ensure that the well-being of the residents is taken care of and to strengthen the home's disciplinary system.
  
  'We have warned them to comply with the Children and Young Persons Act, and the Standards of Care for Children and Young Persons Homes.
  
  'A police report has been filed, and appropriate actions would be taken thereafter.'
  
  NOT FIRST INCIDENT
  This is not the first time that alleged abuse in the home has come to light. Last May, The New Paper reported how a boy was punched so hard that he suffered bruises and had to be hospitalised for a week.
  
  The boy almost fainted after he was punished in the middle of the night.
  
  The home's management committee chairman confirmed the incident but declined comment pending police investigations.
  
  Months earlier, in October 2005, a charity organisation which funds the same home was probed for financial irregularities.
  
  They were helping police in investigations involving an external aid scheme for orphans not staying in the homes.
  
  Some of the 743 non-residential orphans on cash disbursements scheme - which hands out money ranging from $50 to $100 monthly - failed to receive them at least once between January to May 2004.
  
  A staff member said the missing amount could be in the thousands.
  
• maurizio13

  11 Nov 07, 01:49

  How can such atrocities be committed in a Singapore government approved charity for years without the police ever finding out???
  
  Have the Singapore government and system failed these children???
  
  Does Singapore government approved charity, means the government approved of such acts against children???
  
  I am shocked by the Singapore government's inability to prevent such flagrant violation of children rights.
  
  How can such a crimes be committed in Singapore, a moral, culturally sophisticated and prosperous country???
  
  These acts are committed by sane individual indulging in child torture, while the issue with the Shelley Ward family is more mental.
  
  Shelley Ward was autistic, her mom probably suffered some psychological issues which resulted in Shelley Ward's demise. Moreover, the family has relocated afew times, not easy to track in Australia.
  
  lionnoisy, please answer the above questions.
  
  Thank you.
  
  
  
  You should look yourself in the mirror first before insulting another country. Our backyards aren't exactly that clean either.
  
• fymk

  11 Nov 07, 07:39

  Originally posted by sgdiehard:

  Really don't want to waste my time arguing with you, but can't help but laugh at this statement. You really think there is a skill drainage?

  Skill drainage - none? Then why even bother importing foreign talents , 'quitters' from another country? Oh don't do the famous MIW bangladeshi worker distractor argument with me when Singaporeans ask about other jobs.
  
  I am talking about FTs like doctors , nurses and even referring to the former DBS chairman , Jackson Tai who is retiring to the US. For the high ranking FTs, are you saying that Singaporeans are so untalented , unexperienced and unworldy as you are that Singapore has to go out and find non Singaporeans? Or is it in reality , a skill drainage?
  
  Don't even try to pull the globalisation rationale on me because I can respond swiftly to quell that argument and bring it back to skill shortages again.
  
  
  You make me laugh even more. Don't waste your time trying to promote propaganda. Common Singaporeans are not stupid . They can see for themselves. As you once so finely put it "Who said Malays are indigenous" when the Singapore Constitution DIFFERS - LOL - Hello you really can't waste time arguing with me because it makes you look stupid when you cannot admit your mistakes. At least I can admit mistakes. Look at the big picture before comparing to your fantasy of perfection. Don't be in denial and don't be so prejudiced.
  
  
• fymk

  11 Nov 07, 07:57

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:
  western medias reported how firemen rescued a cat
  trapped in US city,or a dog dell into a well.
  
  But why they do not reported kid starved to death
  in developed like aussie in 2007?
  
  I think it is a big news that western medias overlooked
  to report this news.
  
  2.Damn it.It has been a ''dunt care culture'' that Aussie
  is running like a 3 rd world country.
  
  [b]AUTHORITIES received warnings about the risk to Shellay Ward and her siblings over a 14-year period, it was revealed yesterday, as the head of the Department of Community Services conceded his officials failed the seven-year-old.--We let Shellay down, says DOCS boss,Alexandra Smith and Jordan Baker
  November 10, 2007--www.smh.com.au/news
  
  Good 14 years!!
  
  3.New born baby dumped.Most of the times ,it cant be helped.
  But child abuse take months or years and no body
  care.[/b]

  Are you living in Australia? No.
  What does it matter to you when you have problems in Singapore too? It shouldn't .
  
  Go spent your time fixing problems in Singapore first before you start commenting on other countries.
  
  Just in case your brain cannot understand this - Australia is a huge continent and Singapore is a small dot. Both run under different structures of governments. Go compare Singapore with HongKong. It is a more acceptable comparison. OR if you want to compare Australia, use USA or Canada as the comparison factor.
• lionnoisy

  12 Nov 07, 08:51

  do i sound generalise aussie as a bad country?
  
  i just post somethings u guys dunt expect,or
  dunt want to know about aussie!!
  
  i must admit it is a big country,may be or mnot be a ,great country!!
  
  'C ock
  r o aches on the operating table',November 12, 2007 /www.smh.com.au
  
  

  A former doctor at Sydney's Royal North Shore Hospital complained to hospital management about c o c k ...r oaches on operating tables during surgery, an inquiry has heard.
  
  Nationals state MP Jenny Gardiner has told the parliamentary inquiry the allegations were made in a submission from a doctor who worked at the hospital for 16 years before resigning this year.......

  
  the last place u expect to see it is on ''operating tables during surgery''.
  
  

  The Royal North Shore Hospital (RNSH) is a major public teaching hospital in Sydney, Australia, located in St Leonards. It serves as a teaching hospital for the University of Sydney and has approximately 740 beds. It is a major hospital in the Northern Sydney Health area, providing health care for the Lower and Upper North Shore area.

  it seems not a good model of teachings....
  
  2.
  Police probe claims second scalp.November 12, 2007
  
  

  VICTORIA Police media director Stephen Linnell, who is answering corruption allegations at an independent inquiry, has resigned.
  
  The resignation comes after disgraced assistant commissioner Noel Ashby, , widely tipped as a future chief commissioner, was forced to resign on Friday after two days of damning testimony in the witness box in which he admitted he had leaked information to Sergeant Mullett......
  
  t was allegedly then passed by police union president Inspector Brian Rix to the target of the investigation, Detective Sergeant Peter Lalor, who was also a union delegate.

  if u still bark me on disclosing the bad sides of aussie
  police corruptions,then u accept corruptions is a way of life in Aussie.
  
  Pl read my postings in this forum about aussie police:
  Secret files sold to gangsters,
  Witness killed at his door steps,
  
  Now even ''assistant commissioner Noel Ashby, , widely tipped as a future chief commissioner, was forced to resign ''.
  
  3.u must be kidding that u ask me regard Aussie as a model country
  that Singapore should learn!!
  
  
  
• maurizio13

  12 Nov 07, 09:07

  Hahaha..........
  
  Singapore is the best place in the world!!!!
  
  Australia, Switzerland, Denmark, USA, Germany, Japan, Norway, Belgium, ...........the living standards all deplorable, cannot compare to Singapore.
  
  Wahahahah...........
  
  Maybe we should question LKY when he aspired a Swiss standard of living many years ago.
  
  OK, now hop back to the well that you come from, Frog Troll Prince.
  
  You should spend more money to travel the world, otherwise just jump back into the godforsaken well that you came from.
  
  Maybe you should explain why such things (abuse in a welfare home and man raping his daughters) happen in 100% perfect Singapore???
  
  Instead of sidetracking to other issues. It would do you well if you can answer those questions.
  
• Jontst78

  12 Nov 07, 12:17

  In an event of a mishap.... An admission like "The system has failed " from the Singapore government woiuld have been unheard of. They'll prolly find the clerk or supervisor and string him/her up to dry under "public stoning"
  
  Edit:
  
  Also responses like "The system in place is to prevent abuse/clutch mentality etc.. its and unfortunate incident"
  
  Always a justification somewhere in the grey area.
• iveco

  12 Nov 07, 21:51

  Seriously, what is your problem?
  
  Yes, I know the cops in Perth are more interested in pulling cars off the road for defects than saving innocent children from homicidal perverts, but is it something for you to worry about?
  
  Sort yourself out before trying to save others' souls.
• iveco

  12 Nov 07, 21:59

  Oh yes, Maurizio. Hloc is another one in the mould of OM.
  
  And only Fymk, Ged or myself can comment on the situation ebcause we are in the thick of it.
• maurizio13

  12 Nov 07, 22:06

  Originally posted by iveco:

  Seriously, what is your problem?
  
  Yes, I know the cops in Perth are more interested in pulling cars off the road for defects than saving innocent children from homicidal perverts, but is it something for you to worry about?
  
  Sort yourself out before trying to save others' souls.

  With all regards, lionnoisy wasn't saving souls. lionnoisy was just dragging a fellow country thru mud, so that he can emerge cleaner and better.
  
  Frankly, I don't know what principles lionnoisy holds, but he has always upheld this principle of flinging mud and feces at another country.
  
  I think he needs more moral guidance on the principles of life.
  
  We criticise our system so that we can improve on ourself. But lionnoisy criticises another country's system so that we can look better.
  
  
• gunner77

  12 Nov 07, 22:23

  omg...
• lionnoisy

  12 Nov 07, 22:30

  operating tables breaking in two due to age fatigue failure while the patient was anaesthetised,in Aussie in recent years!!
  
  Can i call it system failure?
  
  If i expose other countries problems,like PRC,Indonesia,Phillpines ect,
  I think less pple will make noise here.
  
  But I am so unconventional.
  
  Many here for many years heard how nice aussie are:
  Cheap cars,cheap house,
  good welfare sys,
  good schools?
  
  They totally cant accept the Aussie I present here.
  Pl also refer to my postings in Military nets in this forums.
  Corruptions,
  Serious drugs problems,
  
  
  Operating table is falling down....
  
  

  C O C K R O A C H E S crawling on an operating table during surgery, a doctor catching an unconscious patient when an old table collapsed during an operation, and high-pressure hoses exploding injuring nurses in theatre......
  "one that really alarms me is operating tables breaking in two due to age fatigue failure while the patient was anaesthetised, a spinal injury only being avoided due to the anaesthetist catching the upper portion of the bed before the patient came to harm".

  Amazing!!
  Cockroaches on hospital operating table Alexandra Smith
  November 13, 2007,Page 1 of 2 |
  
  2.Isolated cases
  Cool down.I know u cant accept the facts here.
  but has any hospital authority denied this claim?
  
  Now the question is:How about other hospitals in Aussie?
  
  Pl share your experiences here.
• kramnave

  12 Nov 07, 22:41

  Fishing, drinking, road trips, peeing on the streets...nothing else matters
• maurizio13

  12 Nov 07, 23:23

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:
  operating tables breaking in two due to age fatigue failure while the patient was anaesthetised,in Aussie in recent years!!
  
  Can i call it system failure?
  
  If i expose other countries problems,like PRC,Indonesia,Phillpines ect,
  I think less pple will make noise here.
  
  But I am so unconventional.
  
  Many here for many years heard how nice aussie are:
  Cheap cars,cheap house,
  good welfare sys,
  good schools?
  
  They totally cant accept the Aussie I present here.
  Pl also refer to my postings in Military nets in this forums.
  Corruptions,
  Serious drugs problems,
  
  
  Operating table is falling down....
  
  Amazing!!
  [b]Cockroaches on hospital operating table Alexandra Smith
  November 13, 2007,Page 1 of 2 |
  
  2.Isolated cases
  Cool down.I know u cant accept the facts here.
  but has any hospital authority denied this claim?
  
  Now the question is:How about other hospitals in Aussie?
  
  Pl share your experiences here.[/b]

  Since when did your opposition not accept facts???
  
  I think you have a comprehension problem, go read all the post again.
  
  So what if things like that happened in Australia. What has it got to do with Singaporeans??? You mean it makes Singaporean's lives better by listening to you b|tching about another country???
  
  What about the systematic abuse of children in our government approved welfare homes???
  
  Maybe you can provide an explanation instead of dodging the question and sidetracking.
  
  Are you trolling, or, are you participating in a discussion???
  
  You don't seem to provide answers to our queries, all you seem to do is cut and post bad things about another country.
  
  Seriously, look yourself in the mirror before you comment on others. You are not exactly perfect either.
  
  Seriously, I am glad you are not my coworker, I don't know what kind of lies will you be telling the boss about me.
  
  
• lionnoisy

  13 Nov 07, 11:18

  why there are so many Singaporeans paint a so rosy picture
  for Aussie?But how about the reality?
  
  I think most of you not happy here are Singaporeans.
  Aussie people would just say''It is not a news,mate.''
  
  2.SG is not perfect too.I have told u guys here to open a thread
  to say anythings need to be improved for SG .
  
  Oh.this Speaker's Corner is already a anti--SG forum lah..
  
  Systematic child abuse in SG?Come on.This is a human problems
  and would happen in any countries.
  
  Operating table break into two during operation.
  This sure can be prevented.
  
  2.want to buy a house in Aussie?
  There are many would be Aussie PR here.Take note.
  
  
  A generation's home dream vanishes/www.theage.com.au,13.11.2007
• iveco

  13 Nov 07, 13:50

  Yeah, there goes my dream home in Ferndale. Does it bother you?
• fymk

  13 Nov 07, 18:49

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:
  why there are so many Singaporeans paint a so rosy picture
  for Aussie?But how about the reality?
  
  Because we stay in Australia and you don't? Because the good outweighs the bad in Australia ....AND ONCE AGAIN you don't know. I never said it was easy. So your reality don't count especially when you do not stay in Australia.
  
  I think most of you not happy here are Singaporeans.
  Aussie people would just say''It is not a news,mate.''
  
  2.SG is not perfect too.I have told u guys here to open a thread
  to say anythings need to be improved for SG .
  
  Oh.this Speaker's Corner is already a anti--SG forum lah..
  Just because someone criticises Singapore, that person is anti-Singapore? Then explain to me , without criticism - how can things improve? If a foreigner makes a comment about Singaporean government policies , they are against Singapore. If an overseas Singaporean makes comments on Singaporean govt policies, they are spreading dissention. If a Singaporean in Singapore makes a comments , they are siding with so called anti singaporeans then.
  
  Then HOW THE HELL WOULD SINGAPORE ADVANCE if we have sheep like you who cannot think .
  
  
  Systematic child abuse in SG?Come on.This is a human problems
  and would happen in any countries.
  Talking out of your a.ss now? Then why start a topic like this?You just contradicted yourself.
  Operating table break into two during operation.
  This sure can be prevented.
  
  2.want to buy a house in Aussie?
  There are many would be Aussie PR here.Take note.
  And you think paying 300k for a 99 year old (and sometimes <99 year old lease) lease 4 bedroom flat is worth it in Singapore? Sorry my property is freehold in Australia - not a 99 year old lease. And the price I bought it new for is less than a 3 bedroom flat in Singapore.
  
  A generation's home dream vanishes/www.theage.com.au,13.11.2007

• mancha

  13 Nov 07, 19:13

  Originally posted by Kuali Baba:

  Don't forget that a domestic maid was starved and beaten brutally here too.

  PK is talking about the other one,
  the one that is not reported, that maybe happening and nobody knows about.
  
• maurizio13

  13 Nov 07, 19:33

  Originally posted by mancha:

  PK is talking about the other one,
  the one that is not reported, that maybe happening and nobody knows about.
  

  TS (lionnoisy) rather not talk about issues in Singapore, so that we can make improvements in Singapore. Instead lionnoisy rather drag another country to mud so that Singapore will look cleaner.
  
  In lionnoisy's understanding, things like maid abuse, child abuse in government regulated welfare home and other atrocities does not exist.
  
  Singapore is a fine and dandy country, everybody is living above the poverty line, everybody owns a house, everybody has food on the table for 3 means, everybody has money to go seek treatment in hospital................
  
  
  
  What he believes is another issue?
  
  Do you believe everything is fine in Singapore?
  
  
  
  If everything is fine, then why are the majority voicing their displeasure in sgForums?
  
• maurizio13

  13 Nov 07, 19:41

  Originally posted by fymk:
  
  And you think paying 300k for a 99 year old (and sometimes <99 year old lease) lease 4 bedroom flat is worth it in Singapore? Sorry my property is freehold in Australia - not a 99 year old lease. And the price I bought it new for is less than a 3 bedroom flat in Singapore.
  

  Not forgetting the houses are much cheaper in Australia and there are no property taxes.
  
  Strange concept from the P4P government, you are living in your house, not deriving any profits, yet you have to pay taxes.
  
  I don't think there are property taxes in the UK too. (I can't be sure)
• lionnoisy

  13 Nov 07, 22:56

  Originally posted by maurizio13:

  Not forgetting the houses are much cheaper in Australia and there are no property taxes.
  
  Strange concept from the P4P government, you are living in your house, not deriving any profits, yet you have to pay taxes.
  
  I don't think there are property taxes in the UK too. (I can't be sure)

  2.Aussie,I am not sure.
  In UK,they call ''rates''.