MM: Making Western media happy is not his business
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Who said it was his business?
His business is to conduct himself transparently since he is taking massive amounts of public money and should give back the money he and his family took and is taking and... get rid of his son in law, the PM's husband for making this type of investment... over and over again...
to behave in an accountable manner and to behave in an honorable manner...
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Originally posted by Spartans:Actually I agreed with what MM Lee said "Making Western media happy is not his business." There is nothing wrong.
In fact he is ONLY interested in making his family and relatives happy and no one else.
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This is another way for MM LKY to continue saying -
''I will continue to do it MY WAY, and it is not your business to tell me how to run the LIVES of 4.6 million Singaporeans, who will respond to my decision in deciding WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE and HOW they live their LIVES under my watch.''.
This is afterall MM LKY's ''First World'' - has any Singaporean feel themselves having the same benefits of the HIGH STANDARD of living in the ''First World'' ?
With his living expenses and environment paid for by Singaporeans - he is surely living in his ''First World''. -
someone told me... "hey don't be so hard on him... he is getting old and senile"... getting old and senile and still taking public money like he is TT Durai.... *sigh*
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old senile man should learn when to shut up. He keeps blah blah nonsense he only incurs the wrath of many but reap little or no positive effect.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:someone told me... "hey don't be so hard on him... he is getting old and senile"... getting old and senile and still taking public money like he is TT Durai.... *sigh* -
The west is constantly critical of Asia's domestic affairs when they are having real serious moral problems back in their own soil.
You don't see Asian press condemning the White Australians for stealing lands and cheating the aborigines. You don't see Asian press criticising that US mofo pilot who erroneously unload bombs in neak luong killing hundreds of innocent civilian during the Cambodia's civil war, and subsequently got off with a 700dollars fine!
The list could go on.....
Why can't the westerners learn to mind their own business, and stop creating havoc throughout the world -
One day when we all can enjoy our human rights, you will be secretly thanking those that fight and win that right for us.Originally posted by xjxjxj:The west is constantly critical of Asia's domestic affairs when they are having real serious moral problems back in their own soil.
You don't see Asian press condemning the White Australians for stealing lands and cheating the aborigines. You don't see Asian press criticising that US mofo pilot who erroneously unload bombs in neak luong killing hundreds of innocent civilian during the Cambodia's civil war, and subsequently got off with a 700dollars fine!
The list could go on.....
Why can't the westerners learn to mind their own business, and stop creating havoc throughout the world -
See the old man's face also sian.
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It's time the Asian press started to speak out as well.
Values are universal, and if we Asians do not assert these values, then we are nothing but diminished as a region. -
It's time the Asian press started to speak out as well.
Values are universal, and if we Asians do not assert these values, then we are nothing but diminished as a region. -
actually i dont realli care abt the western media anyway and i agree that they happi or not is not our prob.
and i will take pap over sdp anytime
it's nt so much the elections.. i would prefer if they had better "democracy" in day-to-day running of the country.. like when we say no to building a casino, why dont listen one?! -
he is not interested in making our own citizens happy, let alone the western media... so i say to the western media, "thanks for trying to help but..
GET IN LINE AND TAKE A QUEUE NUMBER!!!!"
Providing a stable country to attract investors is not mutally exclusive to having a more democratic and open environment. just because he only provides the 2 choices of 'making the western media happy' and 'attracting investors due to stability' does not mean we are restricted to these options.
how often has it been that they've managed to take 'parts' of other system to integrate into our own, making it 'uniquely singapore'. it is a matter of choice, and they simply choose to be extremely rigid, using our size and vulnerability as excuses at the same time citing 'flexibility and adaptability' when a 'crisis' strikes.
double standards have regularly been part of our governing practise. and we shouldn't really be surprised anymore by this. and wat is worse, is that we continually vote them into power election after election. so who do we have to blame?
a couple of choices, be a quitter (and like smoking, it should be something u can be proud of... hey we can have double standards too! proud to be a quitter!), vote more COMPETENT opposition into power (which we don't coz we're a generally myopic population), or join the ranks of apathetic singaporeans whom THEY have CREATED, who simply dun care anymore! -
HeÂ’s concerned that the recent peaceful protest for free and fair election in KL might spread in the region, a threat to his serfdom and his own survival.
The Burmese and the Thais have also held pro-democracy demonstrations except that the Burmese were brutally crushed.
We all have read about demonstrations in Japan, S.Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan, some were rowdy and some were peaceful. Taiwan is a comedy, with brawls in parliament. Did the investors lose confidence in these countries? No!
He must step down and spend more time with his family. -
We've not been shy to lecture the West, but we're unable to take criticism.
Let's leave all that talk of comparative development out for a while, and call this pure and simple hypocrisy, because this is what it is.
Singapore has poked her nose in affairs of other nations, telling them how they should run their government, (recently in India), and yet we shy away when criticism is levelled at us.
Mind you, it is not just the Western press. The Asian press have been hard-hitting at times.
This is nothing more than the personal opinion of a politician, and should not be crafted into ruling ideology. He's got his right to say it, we've got our rights to tear his argument apart and find holes as we deem fit. -
Huh? What are you talking about.....Originally posted by googoomuck:One day when we all can enjoy our human rights, you will be secretly thanking those that fight and win that right for us.
Are you, as a citizen of Singapore, deprieve of basic human rights like access to education; the right to receive protection from the police; are you able to walk in and out of the house anytime of the day and night without fear of persecution or prosecution??
The western style of democracy will never take flight in Asia. It's way too liberal.
A democracy that's too liberal might just backfire. The higher the democracy level, the more likely a country is going to experience social disobedience
Vandalism on public properties are extremely common in the west. Their citizens simply think that they have the right to everything including spraying grafitti craps on the trains' interior and smashing glass panel with bricks as and when they'd like.
No thanks. I'd never appreciate the kaypohness of western media. I seriously hope that they would just mind their own business, but that's not likely to happen as the news and media business is a big cash cow. -
The same slippery slope argument...Originally posted by xjxjxj:Huh? What are you talking about.....
Are you, as a citizen of Singapore, deprieve of basic human rights like access to education; the right to receive protection from the police; are you able to walk in and out of the house anytime of the day and night without fear of persecution or prosecution??
The western style of democracy will never take flight in Asia. It's way too liberal.
A democracy that's too liberal might just backfire. The higher the democracy level, the more likely a country is going to experience social disobedience
Vandalism on public properties are extremely common in the west. Their citizens simply think that they have the right to everything including spraying grafitti craps on the trains' interior and smashing glass panel with bricks as and when they'd like.
No thanks. I'd never appreciate the kaypohness of western media. I seriously hope that they would just mind their own business, but that's not likely to happen as the news and media business is a big cash cow.
What has vandalism got to do with a liberal media? Get a grip on reality and draw stronger lines of connection.
It's getting tiring and shameful to have fellow Singaporeans who think they know it all and always tar other people with the same brush.
You, kind Sir, are doing the same thing that the Western media is doing at times, using a very broad brush to label all things as negative. -
Of course the Asian press would like to condemn this and that sometimes, afterall it's in their interest to do so.Originally posted by LazerLordz:We've not been shy to lecture the West, but we're unable to take criticism.
Let's leave all that talk of comparative development out for a while, and call this pure and simple hypocrisy, because this is what it is.
Singapore has poked her nose in affairs of other nations, telling them how they should run their government, (recently in India), and yet we shy away when criticism is levelled at us.
Mind you, it is not just the Western press. The Asian press have been hard-hitting at times.
This is nothing more than the personal opinion of a politician, and should not be crafted into ruling ideology. He's got his right to say it, we've got our rights to tear his argument apart and find holes as we deem fit.
What i cannot tahan about the western media is that sometimes the provocative article they print out in their NATIONAL newspaper simply reflects the journalist's assumption and not based on concrete evidence. Don't they think of the conseqeunces before they write?
They like to preach equity, rights for all and all that yada yada cliches but at the end of the day they were the very one who dispossessed native inhabitants of their land, practiced racial segregation, and always unaminously voting against the UN's declaration of aborignal rights.
Until they can solve all these pressing moral issues in their home soil they have no rights to preach fairness, much less interfere. -
someone recently said next year US will be in recession???
What that implicate?
How reliant is SG on US?
More good years?
not tyres?
booom and booom until cannot the boooom ah?
like this de ???
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If you had bothered to read properly, did i connect liberal media with vandalism?Originally posted by LazerLordz:The same slippery slope argument...
What has vandalism got to do with a liberal media? Get a grip on reality and draw stronger lines of connection.
It's getting tiring and shameful to have fellow Singaporeans who think they know it all and always tar other people with the same brush.
You, kind Sir, are doing the same thing that the Western media is doing at times, using a very broad brush to label all things as negative.
It's, in my opinion, that the liberal democracy the west gives its citizen seem to make them think that they can do this and that without much consequences.
Oh, so now you feel how i feel about the western media eh -
Hello, why would privately owned papers print anything else?Originally posted by xjxjxj:Of course the Asian press would like to condemn this and that sometimes, afterall it's in their interest to do so.
What i cannot tahan about the western media is that sometimes the provocative article they print out in their NATIONAL newspaper simply reflects the journalist's assumption and not based on concrete evidence. Don't they think of the conseqeunces before they write?
They like to preach equity, rights for all and all that yada yada cliches but at the end of the day they were the very one who dispossessed native inhabitants of their land, practiced racial segregation, and always unaminously voting against the UN's declaration of aborignal rights.
Until they can solve all these pressing moral issues in their home soil they have no rights to preach fairness, much less interfere.
Secondly, there's something called Op-Ed pieces. If you take columns as national opinions, then you have yourself to blame.
Don't assume Singapore's model is the best, and that newspapers are voices of national policies. -
lol, u like to make assumptions don't you? U'll make a good western journalist! Did i ever say that the singapore model is the best in the world???Originally posted by LazerLordz:Hello, why would privately owned papers print anything else?
Secondly, there's something called Op-Ed pieces. If you take columns as national opinions, then you have yourself to blame.
Don't assume Singapore's model is the best, and that newspapers are voices of national policies.
Of course a single page of provocative article does not represents the view of the entire nation. But the thing is, it is available for the whole nation to read and not to forget some of the foreigners that is in that country. Some people like to take things at face value, and a wrong message would result in widespread condemnation from them.
It's the exposure dude! not the dumb journalist's opinion
My oh my! This is slowly degenertaing into a flamewar. I am not keen anymore. Arguing on the internet is just so dumb. Let's just agree to disagree ya -
Graffiti can be an art or vandalism. There are also laws in democratic countries to curb graffiti crimes. SingaporeÂ’s loan sharks pour paints on house doors. ThatÂ’s also a vandalism. I would say itÂ’s not very common in the west. Singapore also has its fair share of heinous crimes. Heard of an Indian murdered and cooked in curry? If the victim were a Chinese, he would probably have had his ears severed and cooked in oyster sauce.Originally posted by xjxjxj:Huh? What are you talking about.....
Are you, as a citizen of Singapore, deprieve of basic human rights like access to education; the right to receive protection from the police; are you able to walk in and out of the house anytime of the day and night without fear of persecution or prosecution??
The western style of democracy will never take flight in Asia. It's way too liberal.
A democracy that's too liberal might just backfire. The higher the democracy level, the more likely a country is going to experience social disobedience
Vandalism on public properties are extremely common in the west. Their citizens simply think that they have the right to everything including spraying grafitti craps on the trains' interior and smashing glass panel with bricks as and when they'd like.
No thanks. I'd never appreciate the kaypohness of western media. I seriously hope that they would just mind their own business, but that's not likely to happen as the news and media business is a big cash cow.
Back to human rights. Our labour laws do not offer adequate protection to the employees. Our criminal laws are amended to serve and to protect those in power. On the other hand, punishment for criminals is too severe. A paedophile was sentenced to 40 years imprisonment. A few years later, the sentence was deemed too ridiculous and was reduced to 20.
Democracy is opposed by those who insist that decisions governing the community should be in the hands of a select group — special interests who believe that they have the skills, the right, or the mandate to do for others rather than letting them do for themselves.
He who opposes democracy
1. is afraid of losing his position, and his decisions are affected by this fear
2. tries to rise above the rule of law, though he may give lip service to the law
3. does not accept criticism
4. cannot be called to account for his actions
5. does not listen to advice from those who do not curry favor with him
6. tries to prevent those who disagree with him from participating in politics
The ultimate purpose of real democracy is to oppose and avoid tyranny.