China advocating more democracy and accountability than SGP
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I have dealt this with you before, yet you prefer to persist with this twisted fixation. I have started a separate thread on this if you wish to debate on this issue.Originally posted by the Bear:i treat CSJ poorly because he's a backstabbing traitor who has stabbed his way to the leadership of the party..
On the contrary, it is arrogant twirps behaving like tinpot despots going around believing every opposition member whom they disapprove to be asswipe, and being accutely critical to every minute actions as if tomorrow depends on it.
and in his little tinpot despotic way in his party, he's dragged the whole opposition back about 30 years...
The problem with self-gratifying fascist is that with the little toehold on power, they believe that they have the back of the whole world behind them.
you guys still don't get it.. 66.6% says the MIW wins.. that's DEMOCRACY!!
you want to inflict your own views on the majority?
that's what we call despotism, that's what we call dictatorship, that's what we call fascism..
the very things you accuse the MIW of.. you show that you are...
remove that beam from your own eye before you try to remove the mote from the eye of your brother..
Adolf Hitler was one, and used his Storm Troopers to boost up his popularity.
Do you think that the 66.6% of the 1,000,000 plus participating voters from a population of potential electorates of 3,000,000 can be considered the majority ?
It is fascist politics that controlled the Election Office that ensured every block with a heavy leaning towards the Alternative Parties are moved into a new constituency, and with the election boundary defining each constituency being moved to dilute the support for the Alternative Parties.
It is fascist politics that use the mass media, the law enforcers, and bend the laws to ensure the outcome of an election process.
It is fascist politics to inflict your beliefs that the 66.6% - {or other percentages} is won by the Ruling Party from fair and clean election that were conducted every five years.
Are you not being a little despot yourself in attempting to change the events that have actually transpired ?
The present leadership of China even had Premier Wen assuring his countrymen that it is the responsibility of the Communist Party of China to ensure that there will be jobs for all in China - a country with a population of over a Billion.
This statement from China came a few days after Singapore's PM LHL was quoted in the Straits Times to state that it is not the Government's duty to get jobs for Singaporeans.
This is the difference between leadership and despots - if you are still not yet into winter hibernating. -
Today marks the beginning of a declaration - as Deng Xiao Ping had done in 1978, which started China on a remarkable climb out of its communist ideology.Originally posted by the Bear:sooooo what happened today that renders everything they have done and are still doing suddenly immaterial?
If you do not fall into winter slumber before December set in, and remember to wake up during next Spring, you may live on to see how China will propel itself over the next 30 years. -
Yes, it was foolishness on his part.Originally posted by kramnave:It was during the 2001 elections when Chee made the inflated allegation. We pledged US$5 Billion to Indonesia and US$1Billion to Thailand in loans during the Asian Financial crisis in 1997 to supplement IMF efforts. Japan had pledged US$5 Billion as well. It seems that that amount pledged was never loaned out as IMF funds were not exhausted.
Chee decided to inflate the amount to US$ 10-12 Billion ? He accused GCT and LKY of loaning the money to Suharto. "Where is the S$18 billion that you have lent to Suharto?"
One mistake - do we need to cruxify him for his stupidity ?
Surely, we have made some less monumental mistakes at least once in our life that have riled the anger of our parents ?
He is not even related to any of us by blood ties, only sweating his own blood and inconveniencing himself and his family - and yet some have the indecent arrogance to call him an asswipe. -
you are more naive than i thought possibleOriginally posted by Atobe:Today marks the beginning of a declaration - as Deng Xiao Ping had done in 1978, which started China on a remarkable climb out of its communist ideology.
If you do not fall into winter slumber before December set in, and remember to wake up during next Spring, you may live on to see how China will propel itself over the next 30 years. -
One mistake is enough to kill politically. Thereafter he will be judged along the same lines. It doesn't help that all of his high profile actions and accusations are questionable.Originally posted by Atobe:Yes, it was foolishness on his part.
One mistake - do we need to cruxify him for his stupidity ?
Surely, we have made some less monumental mistakes at least once in our life that have riled the anger of our parents ?
He is not even related to any of us by blood ties, only sweating his own blood and inconveniencing himself and his family - and yet some have the indecent arrogance to call him an asswipe.
It can be said that his bravery and sacrifices are admirable. He fights for democracy and human rights and it doesn't matter what happens or who is harmed along that process. He has some success as an activist with the award he won but he has failed as a politician.
Admirable activist, deplorable politician and we vote for politicians, not activists. -
he has not only stabbed his way to the top, his antics and his attention wh0re ways have destroyed the credibility of most opposition members...
he claims to be 'the leader' and still wishes to be... but most know him for what he is and doesn't want to follow him... and i don't blame them..
but by calling himself 'the leader' he has tarnished what CST and LTK worked hard to do... and by his antics, he has wasted the limited pool of attention and sympathy the people have...
now, anything he says is just like the boy who cried wolf...
and by extension, anything the opposition says is the same..
if he was a MIW mole, he could not have been more successful... -
Originally posted by the Bear:i treat CSJ poorly because he's a backstabbing traitor who has stabbed his way to the leadership of the party..
Yes I remember how you dispelled the distorted propaganda against Dr Chee Soon Juan.... this is typical PxP tactic... attack the man when their dishonorable despotic ways are exposed...Originally posted by Atobe:I have dealt this with you before, yet you prefer to persist with this twisted fixation. I have started a separate thread on this if you wish to debate on this issue.
Dr Chee exposed them and they attacked the man when they could not defend themselves... -
OMFGOriginally posted by Atobe:
Surely, you know that was before TODAY - 16 November 2007 ? -
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The old man Lee is so pro China, just wonder why he refuses to follow what china is doing that is advocating more democracy and accountability.
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then he won't be able to pay himself and his family so much with public money.... greed... a man greed knows no limit....Originally posted by qlqq9:The old man Lee is so pro China, just wonder why he refuses to follow what china is doing that is advocating more democracy and accountability. -
I hope you guys see 2 sides to the issue here. LKY is neither pro-china, nor pro-west.Originally posted by qlqq9:The old man Lee is so pro China, just wonder why he refuses to follow what china is doing that is advocating more democracy and accountability.
But I still don't like how he's still clinging on.
And to atobe, please lah. This is Nov 16 2007, wake up! -
Besides money, power, autocracy are just too much for one to give up for the sake of democracy. We can't afford to continue to have such leaders to lead us forever in Singapore.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:then he won't be able to pay himself and his family so much with public money.... greed... a man greed knows no limit.... -
Unfortunately, it is wh.ores that hibernates with asswipes that will go out of their ways to destroy and pile on the efforts to discredit the opposition members - despite personal sacrifices made.Originally posted by the Bear:he has not only stabbed his way to the top, his antics and his attention wh0re ways have destroyed the credibility of most opposition members...
It is w.hores and asswipes that propound themselves as opposers to the POWER OF ONE, when they are nothing more then an infiltrating Fifth Column to undermine the Alternative Efforts from within the ranks.
It is wh.ores and asswipes who will deviate attention to their own self-serving views and prevent others from seeing the exchange of conscience for the paltry material gains - turning a blind eye to the abuse of justice and fairplay.
Did Chee volunteered to be 'the leader' ?
he claims to be 'the leader' and still wishes to be... but most know him for what he is and doesn't want to follow him... and i don't blame them..
How did you get the inside track in knowing that Chee ''still wishes to be....'' ?
Have you chilled yourself on ice while hibernating early in summer ?
No wonder you will wish everyone to believe that ''most know him for what he is and doesn't want to follow him....'' - are you in any position to blame anyone without even acknowledging your own flawed back-stabbing antics ?
You seem to be fixated with Chee calling himself - ''the leader'' - without even clarifying what or who he is supposed to lead ?
but by calling himself 'the leader' he has tarnished what CST and LTK worked hard to do... and by his antics, he has wasted the limited pool of attention and sympathy the people have...
You seem to give Chee more credit for his unknown abilities that only you alone seem to have private knowledge of ?
How has Chee be in any position to tarnish CST and LTK efforts - when both could barely manage to prevent the tar being poured on themselves for their inabilities to make any impact inside Parliament - after warming their respective seats {20 years by Chiam, and at least 10 years by Low} ?
unfortunately, Chee certainly could not have been more successful then you can - with your enthusiastic and feverish antics at discreditting Chee as a w.hore and as an asswipe, which make you even more likely to be an MIW mole then Chee can be to sabotage and discredit the members and efforts of the Alternative Parties.
now, anything he says is just like the boy who cried wolf...
and by extension, anything the opposition says is the same..
if he was a MIW mole, he could not have been more successful...
By your singular effort you have shown your hand thoroughly to be no better then the political who.re and asswipe that you make Chee out to be.
Can anything you say about the Alternative Parties be real, when we see new faces joining Chee at the street corners and in front of the CPF building, and at the Istana ?
Now from the other thread, it seems that members of the NUS has drawn inspiration from Chee - in pushing the OB markers that the despots have placed onto Singaporeans - so as to insulate themselves and perpetuate their own monopoly on politics.
Have you been hibernating for so long that you do not even know the dullness that have crept in - to prevent your ability at discerning events ?
Perhaps NEW POLITICS in China will show you the way - or perhaps you were one of the cynics when Deng Xiao Peng mentioned his black and white cat analogy ?
Did you forget to eat your own words for being cynical towards Deng then, as you are now cynical about China's new declared policy of involving its citizens from all political shades ?
Communism is dead, and China is slowly but surely having to recognise this; and the Communist Party of China will lose its legitimacy to exist if it does not remould itself and absorb all the talents that China has to project China forward.
Singapore and the arrogant MIW cult of elitist despots had better learn this - if they do not want Singapore to be left further behind. -
let me tell straight up it's just propaganda BS, you'd be a fool to believe it.
CPC will never give up its monopoly on power unless it has so. -
Judging from your nick, i'll believe youOriginally posted by YaoRockets:let me tell straight up it's just propaganda BS, you'd be a fool to believe it.
CPC will never give up its monopoly on power unless it has so. -
Where were you when Deng Xiao Ping said ''there is no difference between black or white cat, as long as it catch the mouse'' ?Originally posted by YaoRockets:let me tell straight up it's just propaganda BS, you'd be a fool to believe it.
CPC will never give up its monopoly on power unless it has so.
Do you have any idea the impact of this simple analogy at a time in 1970s, when China was recovering from its long sleep into backwardness ?
China is facing the challenges of a new globalised world, and has even aimed to put one of their own on the soil of the moon - and they have the funds to achieve it.
Do you seriously believe yourself that China will not mobilise themselves to change and morphed into a new image ?
It will be a step by step morphing - and we are witnessing history in the making.
The Chinese leadership know that the Communist Party of China based on Karl Marx Communist ideology is as good as dead - can the word ''Communist'' be of any further value if the ideology is no longer relevant ?
The leadership has known for a long time, that it has to account for itself in a truly People's Republic of China - by putting its own People first.
The People's Congress is no ''wayang'' process, as the general state of China is under review.
It was during past proceedings of the People's Congress that saw previously strong and favored political personalities - such as Li Peng - being forced to step down due to poor performance.
In the world of politics, rashness will result in you having to eat the humble pie, and if you live long enough - you will see a NEW China, in the same manner we see a new China today being completely different from 1978 when Deng brought out his 'black and white cat'' analogy. -
Why is CPC still called Communist Party of China ?
If they are really pushing for democracy and change, the first thing they should do is change their party name because of all the negative thoughts and events attached to their name, and since they are no longer communists, why call themselves one still? -
Atobe, are you a political science student trying to reinvent you own China? Or are you wanking because you are too lonely?
If China push for democracy I can assure you that in times of recession, China will disintegrate into pieces and Taiwan will gain independence. -
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Originally posted by elindra:
It's still communist
Why is CPC still called [b]Communist Party of China ?
If they are really pushing for democracy and change, the first thing they should do is change their party name because of all the negative thoughts and events attached to their name, and since they are no longer communists, why call themselves one still? [/b][/url] -
Atobe is just such a foolOriginally posted by YaoRockets:let me tell straight up it's just propaganda BS, you'd be a fool to believe it.
CPC will never give up its monopoly on power unless it has so.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Oh dear, I thought that Gazelle has repented, to my disappointment he has not. Perhaps, he could write a book on panty sniffing.
Managed to get a copy of Gazelle caught in the act of sniffing his friend's sister's panties in the friend's house toilet.
This was what he looked like when he was sniffing the panties.
Ewwwwww......
[b]From Gazelle's original post stating the events that took place:
This is a true story..
There was once I went to a friend's place to check out his new audio system..Â…..my friend was staying in the nice apartment together with his sister (who is Singapore supermodel ) and parents, who were away on that dayÂ…Â….....when I first arrive, nobody was there accept for my friendÂ….....then at about 10.30 in the eveningÂ…......this tall, gorgeous looking girl walks inÂ…that was the first time that I see his sister in person...Â….she was stunning, wearing this worn out jeans and white T-shirt....Â…..she was very friendly and sat down with us for about 15 mins before going to her room to take her showerÂ…Â…Â….(her sister room is actually linked to the common toilet that I have been using before she came back)Â…Â…..and after about 20minsÂ…..Â….her sister open the toilet doorÂ…..and I quickly make my way to the toilet cause I need to pee badlyÂ….
When I was enjoying my peeÂ…Â…Â….I was shock to see sometime lying on the laundry basket cover Â…..it was my friend sister's used panties and bra...she just remove a few minutes agoÂ…and you can see that the stain on it is still wet....(must have forgotten that I am in the house)Â…..when I see thatÂ…....my heart start to pump in double quick timeÂ…and without much thinking........my hands went straight down to reach for itÂ…Â…..the panties that I was holding is white in color......and it comes with some yellowish stain Â…...Â…while I am holding itÂ….....my mind was trying to picture her supermodel face together with the pantiesÂ…Â….man it was really mind blowÂ…...then I start to smell itÂ…Â…..
I know it might sound sick and crazyÂ…Â…Â…but the curiosity of knowing how a supermodel pu$$y smells like is just irresistible.
Any one have the similar experience before?
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Agree with your first para. The chinese leaders do care for the welfare of the large population in China. Though the country is so many times bigger than Singapore they are willing to give pension to the people and people who are 70 and above don't need to pay when they travel on public transport. The chinese government care and put into action to take care of the people but our PAP gahmen don't take care and put into action to take money away from us.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I believe that the Chinese leaders know that they cannot behave so despotic and dishonorably like the dishonorable despots here because their country is just too big...
Maybe they have some decency in them... at least they do not take public money and pay their own family members with it and then call it "salaries".
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is that foto true of Gazelle?Originally posted by qlqq9:Oh dear, I thought that Gazelle has repented, to my disappointment he has not. Perhaps, he could write a book on panty sniffing.
I am a great fan of his. Gazelle, I am with you even if only mushroom and tge are you or on your side ok ?
you look so yendao.
back to the main story...
how democracy is advocated is no use unless the PEOPLE accept and enforce it.
one can talk until the moo moo comes home and pee, as long as the PEOPLE is illiterate, uneducated, naive about Democracy, it will always remain as a MYTH.
Time to call in the MYTH Busters!
Gazelle, I bluff u.