Social Cohesion Strained...
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TOA PAYOH CANTRAL DRAMA CAUGHT ON CAMERA
Teen girl accuses Caucasian man of assault
HE HIT & KICKED ME
Incident escalates as upset passers-by jump in to defend teen and friend
By Liew Hanqing
November 18, 2007
Video Link here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=caucasion+man+hits+girls&search=Search
HE saw the tall Caucasian man hit the two young girls from behind.
The impact was so great that the girls fell to the floor.
The first thing Mr Phua Boon Hiong, who was manning a pushcart selling air fresheners nearby, did was to make sure the attacker didn't get away.
'For a man to hit two young girls is just not right,' he said in Mandarin, in an interview with The New Paper yesterday.
Recalling the incident at Toa Payoh Central on Thursday, Mr Phua, 37, said it started when one of the teenage girls bumped into a woman who was walking past her. This was shortly after 1pm.
UMBRELLA ATTACK
Mr Phua, who was manning his pushcart at the time, said: 'The woman then took out her umbrella and hit the girl from behind.
'I then saw her run into a nearby supermarket.'
What happened a short while later shocked Mr Phua.
He recalled: 'The woman came out of the supermarket with a Caucasian man. The man landed punches on the backs of both girls' heads and upper bodies.'
The girls were hit so hard that both fell to the floor, he said.
Another pushcart vendor, who declined to be named, said she was shocked when the man attacked the girls.
She said: 'I saw him hit the side of one girl's head. He grabbed the other girl's arms and then pushed her to the floor.
'A crowd of 20 to 30 people gathered to watch the commotion.
'Both the teenagers and the couple were very angry - they just kept shouting at each other.'
Mr Phua said that after the man hit the girls, he tried to leave with his female companion.
But Mr Phua refused to let them get away.
Together with three other passers-by, he restrained the man while others blocked the couple.
Another passer-by called the police.
Mr Phua also gave the couple a harsh tongue-lashing.
THIS IS SINGAPORE
He said: 'I told the man that Singapore is not a lawless place.
'He cannot hit somebody in public and expect to get away with it.'
One of the girls, Miss Michelle Quek, 18, recorded two clips of the latter part of the incident and uploaded them on video-sharing site YouTube and The Straits Times Stomp website.
She also recounted the incident on her blog.
She wrote: 'While I was walking, my schoolbag hit a woman accidentally.
'After bumping into her, she started throwing vulgarities at me... she hit my back with her umbrella, but thank God she missed!'
According to Miss Quek's account, the woman's blow landed on her backpack.
But she was adamant about not letting her attacker get away without an explanation.
She claimed she then followed the woman to the supermarket where the woman accused her of being the first to attack.
But a supermarket security guard asked Miss Quek to leave and she walked out.
Outside, she claimed the woman's companion, a tall Caucasian man, attacked her and her friend from behind.
She wrote: 'He grabbed both my friend's arms from the back, then lifted her off the floor and threw her onto the floor.
'Before I could react, I saw his fist flying towards my face.
'I moved back a little, but I still got punched slightly in the nose.'
She claimed the man then kicked her right leg.
The girls shouted for help when the couple tried to leave the scene and passers-by, including Mr Phua, immediately jumped in.
In the video, Mr Phua and another man are seen holding on to the Caucasian man and his female companion.
They appear to put up a half-hearted struggle.
The Caucasian man remains quiet throughout the encounter, only responding to Mr Phua softly at several points.
But the woman engages Mr Phua in a screaming match and, at one point, can be heard chiding her companion to 'shut up'.
Eventually, the couple stay until the police arrive.
A police spokesman said a call was received at 1.15pm on Thursday informing them of a dispute between two pairs of people at Toa Payoh Central.
The police are looking into the matter.
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Videos stir up storm online
THE online videos uploaded by MissQuek have caused a furore among Netizens here.
In the first video, the Caucasian man is seen being restrained by Mr Phua and some passers-by when he tries to walk away with the woman.
He is also seen getting a tongue-lashing from Mr Phua and the other passers-by for hitting the teenagers.
The woman is seen confronting Mr Phua, repeatedly yelling: 'How can she beat me?'
The couple attempt to walk away hurriedly while Mr Phua pursues them.
In the second video, the woman is seen trying to prevent Miss Quek from recording the incident.
Pointing to the camera, she yells: 'She's taking a picture of me. That's not right!'
The woman then tries to approach Miss Quek, who was holding the camera, but is blocked by a passer-by.
Since the videos were uploaded, they have each gathered more than 6,000 views.
Netizens have also flooded the video's comments section with responses to the incident.
Some applauded the passers-by for standing up for the girls.
Wrote viewer datok1: 'I respect the men who stood up for the girls. Under no circumstances should a man hit women, let alone two girls.'
Another viewer, MSLastStraw, wrote: 'Really, this is Singapore, the Caucasian thought he can run away after punching people?'
TOO AGGRESSIVE
Others, however, felt the passers-by were too aggressive in how they handled the incident.
Wrote one user, qussl3: 'In no way am I condoning the fact that the Caucasian man and his partner may have manhandled the poster.
'They may be in the wrong, but since when did we Singaporeans turn into screaming vigilantes?'
Agreeing, another user, FusionTiger, wrote: 'I felt bad seeing that poor Caucasian guy being blasted by the people around him like that.
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I saw the videos.
The caucasian , assuming if he hits her, should be punished for assault and deported straightaway. The couple is in the wrong if they committed the alleged offence.
However princess michie appears so busy adding more fire to the heat- it almost makes me think that she has a part in inflaming the situation and calling the woman a "bitch" in her youtube makes it no better. She committed no crime but she did not act correctly either. -
Lately alot of ugly ang mohs in Singapore, the previous case was the 3 Frits who bullied an elderly trishaw uncle, now this dumb arse ang moh bully teenage schoolgirls. He lucky never let me see him hitting the teen girls, else I humtum him till no tomorrow.
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Am I the only one who gets reminded of China and the unequal treaties enforced by gunboat diplomacy?
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I have an issue with the comments about Singaporeans being screaming vigilantes.......
I mean, come on, was there really anything wrong with screaming in such incidents? Who was the person who made that comment? What's his/her solution then? That's the problem with this kind of people, you wanna criticise, go ahead, but you better come up with something better or else its all just hot air.
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You know, the american foreign policy is helping to solve that problem by invading Iraq and considering the invasion of Iran, meddling in the affairs of other countries, supplying weapons to Israel and ..... etc etc etc.Originally posted by rooki:Am I the only one who gets reminded of China and the unequal treaties enforced by gunboat diplomacy?
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Yay!! Stand up for Singapore!!
Credit to the pushcart man for his bravado!
The Ang Mohs must realize in no uncertain terms that they cannot F around in Singapore...... But I doubt they would be slapped with a heavy penalty.......
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So many low class foreigners in Singapore nowadays. Take MRT run into so many of these low class white trash.
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I don't think TS' title is right leh.....
Instead of there being a strain on social cohesion, I would think the incident bonded Singaporeans to stand up to the aggressors wor! -
The only issue I have is with Michelle Quek and what she did for 15 minutes of fame. Like ok she got hit. The couple are in the wrong if they committed the alleged offence.Originally posted by crosshairs:I have an issue with the comments about Singaporeans being screaming vigilantes.......
I mean, come on, was there really anything wrong with screaming in such incidents? Who was the person who made that comment? What's his/her solution then? That's the problem with this kind of people, you wanna criticise, go ahead, but you better come up with something better or else its all just hot air.
I 100% agreed with what uncle Phua did. I couldn't have done it better myself.
She got an uncle to stand up for her and what did she do? FILM the whole thing and make the lady even more incensed. The poor uncle have to do a block on that agitated woman ( who I think is kinda nutty looking). Fine she got the whole Singapore on her side but seriously if the situation was worse and that woman was truly mentally unstable - she will endanger that uncle.
First thing in an explosive situation is to try and calm all parties down. Not add more oil to fire. The victim was already rescued and what did she do? Add more oil to fire. Ai yo. -
Originally posted by fymk:
I donno this michelle.
The only issue I have is with Michelle Quek and what she did for 15 minutes of fame. Like ok she got hit. The couple are in the wrong if they committed the alleged offence.
She got an uncle to stand up for her and what did she do? FILM the whole thing and make the lady even more incensed. The poor uncle have to do a block on that agitated woman ( who I think is kinda nutty looking). Fine she got the whole Singapore on her side but seriously if the situation was worse and that woman was[b] truly mentally unstable - she will endanger that uncle.
First thing in an explosive situation is to try and calm all parties down. Not add more oil to fire. The victim was already rescued and what did she do? Add more oil to fire. Ai yo.
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I dunno what you have against her. If you have anything against her.
There is nothing reprensible about filming down an act to for evidence or future reference.
Adding oil to the aftermath of an explosion is negligible, the main event is already over.
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LOL. Go listen to her video and try to listen to her remarks .Originally posted by crosshairs:I donno this michelle.
I dunno what you have against her. If you have anything against her.
There is nothing reprensible about filming down an act to for evidence or future reference.
Adding oil to the aftermath of an explosion is negligible, the main event is already over.
However......adding oil in this thread......that is really something.
Why evidence when she got so many witnesses?
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From the dressing of the ang moh, t-shirt with waist pouch in front of stomach, I can assume that this guy is not a tourist, but a possible singaporean or PR.
He may be misled by his nutty gal friend (Should be a SPG) to show his manhood.
Can see that the SPG is quite confident that they will get away from it since she know sg peasants are normally bo chap and act blur about such incident.
But, I guess it must be her unlucky day that actually two righteous uncles actually come forward to stop them for mousing away.
So, there is something wrong with the title.
We do not need to exercise any social "cohesiveness" with any Foreign Trash who try to bully their way into the local turf.
This is what "Total Defence" is about.
This will not be the only or 1st case of bullying.
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2 evidence is better than 1 evidence.Originally posted by fymk:LOL. Go listen to her video and try to listen to her remarks .
Why evidence when she got so many witnesses?
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That is not evidence that they hit her. No where did I see Michelle getting attacked in the video. That is evidence of HOW they were apprehended! LOLOriginally posted by crosshairs:2 evidence is better than 1 evidence.
Let me tell you what I see - 3 men acted. 2 held the man. 1st video
Second video - the guy who is holding the caucasian speaking in Hokkien - justifying what he is doing to someone else ( A man beat a woman! You can't to do that! -gist of it ) and then he talks to the alleged woman attacker in a raised voice ( This is Singapore - we have laws you know! and then they start arguing about who started the attack aka beating) .
And little princess michie adding her voice in it. In it - she said "we" (her friend and her) went to confront her.
I have questions. Why didn't they call the police straight away before it escalated? Why did she confront the woman to the supermarket knowing full well that the woman attacked without provocation? What did she think will happen? Couldn't they tell the people at the supermarket that they were assaulted and to call the police? -
Originally posted by fymk:
Unless you can prove to us conclusively while comfortably seated in front of your computer calling someone names like "princess michie" that if it were you in that situation on THAT day dealing with THOSE 2, that you would have done EXACTLY what you have suggested despite being under elevated levels of stress, I would say its all empty talk on your side.
That is not evidence that they hit her. No where did I see Michelle getting attacked in the video. That is evidence of HOW they were apprehended! LOL
Let me tell you what I see - 3 men acted. 2 held the man. 1st video
Second video - the guy who is holding the caucasian speaking in Hokkien - justifying what he is doing to someone else ( A man beat a woman! You can't to do that! -gist of it ) and then he talks to the alleged woman attacker in a raised voice ( This is Singapore - we have laws you know! and then they start arguing about who started the attack aka beating) .
And little princess michie adding her voice in it. In it - she said "we" (her friend and her) went to[b] confront her.
I have questions. Why didn't they call the police straight away before it escalated? Why did she confront the woman to the supermarket knowing full well that the woman attacked without provocation? What did she think will happen? Couldn't they tell the people at the supermarket that they were assaulted and to call the police?
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You just don't like the girl, am I right?
I like her. She looks nice. I think she did ok. At least if those 2 managed to get away I would know how they looked like. -
LOL I didn't call her names. Her youtube username is princess michie so is her blog name. LOL. Obviously you didn't read the description she placed in the youtube.Originally posted by crosshairs:Unless you can prove to us conclusively while comfortably seated in front of your computer calling someone names like "princess michie" that if it were you in that situation on THAT day dealing with THOSE 2, that you would have done EXACTLY what you have suggested despite being under elevated levels of stress, I would say its all empty talk on your side.
You just don't like the girl, am I right?
I like her. She looks nice. I think she did ok. At least if those 2 managed to get away I would know how they looked like.Angmoh hits 2 singaporean girls! part 1!
Go look at her youtube website. Read what it says and I am pretty sure she used the word "bitch" in the description.
Caucasian together with girlfriend beat up two Singaporean girls. First, we have the 3 UK britt bullying our poor trishaw man, now it happened on me. Caucasian together with girlfriend beat up two Singaporean girls.
First, we have the 3 UK britt bullying our poor trishaw man, now it happened on me.
Please take note, that bitch is accusing me of hitting her, i swear i've never lay a finger on her~
From: princessmichie
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I was a nurse. I dealt with situations like that ALOT. Those girls ain't making things better . Like I said, she should have called the supermarket to get the police down. If I were her, I would have screamed for help. That will pretty much get anyone's attention unless there is a huge percentage of apathetic people out there.
Chill . You like her - your perogative. I am just saying her behavior isn't exactly that of an innocent victim. She is no doubt angry but she should not be calling people a bitch after the incident is over when she gets upset with people using her photos and making fun of her.
I feel more for the poor trishaw rider than her. He deserves more sympathy than her. She has no right to pull his case next to hers. Her attacker is caucasian who is "encouraged" by his asian partner. -
I doubt they will be slapped with a penalty at all. I thought in Singapore, the police will only take up an assault case if there are grievous injuries?Originally posted by :Yay!! Stand up for Singapore!!
Credit to the pushcart man for his bravado!
The Ang Mohs must realize in no uncertain terms that they cannot F around in Singapore...... But I doubt they would be slapped with a heavy penalty.......
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Sunday Times - April 8, 2007
Punched? Cops may not nab the culprit
Law allows for police to arrest suspects immediately in attacks only when there are severe injuries
By Teh Joo Lin & Melissa Sim
WHEN design executive Kong Lai Meng landed in hospital after being attacked in March, she expected to see her attacker arrested.
Even though she had been punched and beaten with her own handbag, police told her it was a 'civil matter' and advised her to file a magistrate's complaint at the Subordinate Courts.
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Last year, 3,659 magistrates' complaints were filed. Of these, 1,164 cases - or 32 per cent - concerned alleged assaults, making it the most common grievance brought before a magistrate.
But, strange as it seems, the police officers are just following the law. The list of criminal offences under Singapore law can be broadly divided into those where the police can arrest the suspect without a warrant - in other words, on the spot - and those where they cannot.
For assault cases resulting in injuries, the power to arrest depends on the situation. Where a fight results in serious injury for example, police can cuff a suspect immediately. These cases are termed 'voluntarily causing grievous hurt'.
If the injuries resulting from an attack are not severe, they generally do not have this power. Such assaults are classified as 'voluntarily causing hurt'.
The difference in the maximum punishments between the two offences is stark. Anyone who causes grievous hurt can be jailed up to seven years, and fined or caned. For causing hurt, the maximum punishment is one year in jail and a fine, with no caning.
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Criminal lawyer Amolat Singh said: 'To the layman, this seems like an anomaly. But the legal classification is not without merits. If the police arrest every suspected assailant, our lock-ups will overflow.'
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THE Penal Code lays out a list of criteria defining injuries that are serious enough to qualify as 'grievous hurt', as opposed to simple hurt.
The following kinds of 'hurt' are considered grievous:
- emasculation (as in, castration)
- permanent privation or loss of sight in either eye
- permanent privation or loss of hearing in either ear
- privation of any member or joint
- destruction or permanent impairing of the powers of any member or joint
- permanent disfiguration of the head or face
- fracture or dislocation of a bone
- any hurt which endangers life, or causes the sufferer to be in severe bodily pain, or unable to follow his ordinary pursuits, over a 20-day period
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However if they are non Singaporean citizens, will they likely be deported? I am all for two of them getting deportedOriginally posted by Kachui:I doubt they will be slapped with a penalty at all. I thought in Singapore, the police will only take up an assault case if there are grievous injuries?
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Sunday Times - April 8, 2007
Punched? Cops may not nab the culprit
Law allows for police to arrest suspects immediately in attacks only when there are severe injuries
By Teh Joo Lin & Melissa Sim
WHEN design executive Kong Lai Meng landed in hospital after being attacked in March, she expected to see her attacker arrested.
Even though she had been punched and beaten with her own handbag, police told her it was a 'civil matter' and advised her to file a magistrate's complaint at the Subordinate Courts.
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Last year, 3,659 magistrates' complaints were filed. Of these, 1,164 cases - or 32 per cent - concerned alleged assaults, making it the most common grievance brought before a magistrate.
But, strange as it seems, the police officers are just following the law. The list of criminal offences under Singapore law can be broadly divided into those where the police can arrest the suspect without a warrant - in other words, on the spot - and those where they cannot.
For assault cases resulting in injuries, the power to arrest depends on the situation. Where a fight results in serious injury for example, police can cuff a suspect immediately. These cases are termed 'voluntarily causing grievous hurt'.
If the injuries resulting from an attack are not severe, they generally do not have this power. Such assaults are classified as 'voluntarily causing hurt'.
The difference in the maximum punishments between the two offences is stark. Anyone who causes grievous hurt can be jailed up to seven years, and fined or caned. For causing hurt, the maximum punishment is one year in jail and a fine, with no caning.
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Criminal lawyer Amolat Singh said: 'To the layman, this seems like an anomaly. But the legal classification is not without merits. If the police arrest every suspected assailant, our lock-ups will overflow.'
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THE Penal Code lays out a list of criteria defining injuries that are serious enough to qualify as 'grievous hurt', as opposed to simple hurt.
The following kinds of 'hurt' are considered grievous:
- emasculation (as in, castration)
- permanent privation or loss of sight in either eye
- permanent privation or loss of hearing in either ear
- privation of any member or joint
- destruction or permanent impairing of the powers of any member or joint
- permanent disfiguration of the head or face
- fracture or dislocation of a bone
- any hurt which endangers life, or causes the sufferer to be in severe bodily pain, or unable to follow his ordinary pursuits, over a 20-day period
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I didn't watch Youtube. I don't know her blog name. I don't read her blog either, I don't read anybody's blog for that matter, I find them longwinded and boring. I take back the part where I accused you of calling her names. I agree that pulling the trishaw rider's case next to hers is not the right thing to do.Originally posted by fymk:Go look at her youtube website. Read what it says and I am pretty sure she used the word "bitch" in the description.
I was a nurse. I dealt with situations like that ALOT. Those girls ain't making things better . Like I said, she should have called the supermarket to get the police down. If I were her, I would have screamed for help. That will pretty much get anyone's attention unless there is a huge percentage of apathetic people out there.
Chill . You like her - your perogative. I am just saying her behavior isn't exactly that of an innocent victim. She is no doubt angry but she should not be calling people a bitch after the incident is over when she gets upset with people using her photos and making fun of her.
I feel more for the poor trishaw rider than her. He deserves more sympathy than her. She has no right to pull his case next to hers. Her attacker is caucasian who is "encouraged" by his asian partner.
As for calling that woman a bitch......Well, she is a bloody bitch. She started the fight.
Your stand is that you are concerned that she risked further bodily harm when she did not scream for help, did not inform the supermarket, did not call the police, is that it? I can understand that.
But screaming for help.......I'm sorry, I come from a family where the female is trained in martial arts and will engage in verbal conflicts without a second thought so I am not used to the idea of screaming for help at the slightest provocation like a hit from an umbrella......... -
Yes . Everyone will happily engage in verbal conflicts. I walk off some verbal conflicts because it wastes my time. As for females defending themselves, I can and will use deadly force if my life is threatened - martial arts or not.Originally posted by crosshairs:I didn't watch Youtube. I don't know her blog name. I don't read her blog either, I don't read anybody's blog for that matter, I find them longwinded and boring. I take back the part where I accused you of calling her names. I agree that pulling the trishaw rider's case next to hers is not the right thing to do.
As for calling that woman a bitch......Well, she is a bloody bitch. She started the fight.
Your stand is that you are concerned that she risked further bodily harm when she did not scream for help, did not inform the supermarket, did not call the police, is that it? I can understand that.
But screaming for help.......I'm sorry, I come from a family where the female is trained in martial arts and will engage in verbal conflicts without a second thought so I am not used to the idea of screaming for help at the slightest provocation like a hit from an umbrella.........
A better person does not insult others using the words b!tch or other forms of interesting expletives. Period. She is angry - that's fine but this girl complains when people download and make fun of her pics. She is doing the exact same thing.
The thing that pisses me off is her comparing her situation with the trishaw rider. Seriously if I see anyone bullying an old man who had to work so hard for his money - I will tell them off - caucasian or not.
Evidence is only worth in a criminal court . The video is for the court of public opinion and may be biased. From what she said - I think there is more than meets the eye. None of us was there to witness the scenario at all .