

Singapore has the long experience with oil refineries but I dunno about environmental impact management.Originally posted by HyperFocal:It's amazing & remarkable even, that Singapore is doing so well...
... and yet many are just getting by....![]()
environment? what's that? Looks like Singapore is in no hurry to sign the Kyoto Protocols (not that other countries are adhering to it either)Originally posted by fymk:Singapore has the long experience with oil refineries but I dunno about environmental impact management.
Not only are there some of the world largest oil refineries in Singapore, thousands of oil tankers pass by singapore on route to north asia and oz, which can be of great threat to the environment in the straits in this region. An oil tanker sank by a terrorist attack could have catastrophic impact on the environment.Originally posted by fymk:Singapore has the long experience with oil refineries but I dunno about environmental impact management.
In case , you don't know what environmental impact means - think pollution , not accident.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Not only are there some of the world largest oil refineries in Singapore, thousands of oil tankers pass by singapore on route to north asia and oz, which can be of great threat to the environment in the straits in this region. An oil tanker sank by a terrorist attack could have catastrophic impact on the environment.
We know the problem and we know what we need to do and we have what it takes to face such a problem.
We have the most updated equipment, software, system, and most important of all, cooperations among countries in the region, oil and chemical companies together with the various agencies of the government, PSA, maritime authorities, coast guards....
So far all accidents were contained and that proved that our environmental impact management worked. Thanks to all the people involved.
So far so good. But nobody can guarantee there would be no accident, so should an accident occured, please don't use it as a swipe against Singapore.![]()
Kyoto protocol is just something that looks pretty. It is just the lip service of countries telling others : Look we care about Earth!Originally posted by Demonight:environment? what's that? Looks like Singapore is in no hurry to sign the Kyoto Protocols (not that other countries are adhering to it either)
do you want anything about refinery? or just a common definition of pollution? what causes pollution? normal refinery operation do not cause pollution! Refinery technologies have been in existance for donkey years, and the major refineries in the world have been in operation since the day human knew how to use automobiles. For many years the refineries have been in operation here, many have expanded several times, if there is any pollution even your father would have been affected by now.Originally posted by fymk:In case , you don't know what environmental impact means - think pollution , not accident.
Why so defensive again? Not swiping. Just referring to Lazerlordz comment on Jurong West.
Ai yo...so defensive and yet so wrong. No pollution? ho ho ho this is the BIGGEST dumbest piece of hogwash I ever heard from you.Originally posted by sgdiehard:do you want anything about refinery? or just a common definition of pollution? what causes pollution? normal refinery operation do not cause pollution! Refinery technologies have been in existance for donkey years, and the major refineries in the world have been in operation since the day human knew how to use automobiles. For many years the refineries have been in operation here, many have expanded several times, if there is any pollution even your father would have been affected by now.
Today, the most likihood of pollution from refineries come from accidents. There are even extensive safeguard against human error or negligence. Don't talk something you have absolutely no idea about.
What happened in Jurong West was due to human negligence, it is not there all the time.
Defensive? when you have idiots who speak with their a S S, there is always a need to correct them, or this place stink!! That is pollution!!
Originally posted by fymk:Singapore has the long experience with oil refineries but I dunno about environmental impact management.

Don't put words in my mouth regarding Jurong West, nor presume you know what I'm talking about.Originally posted by sgdiehard:do you want anything about refinery? or just a common definition of pollution? what causes pollution? normal refinery operation do not cause pollution! Refinery technologies have been in existance for donkey years, and the major refineries in the world have been in operation since the day human knew how to use automobiles. For many years the refineries have been in operation here, many have expanded several times, if there is any pollution even your father would have been affected by now.
Today, the most likihood of pollution from refineries come from accidents. There are even extensive safeguard against human error or negligence. Don't talk something you have absolutely no idea about.
What happened in Jurong West was due to human negligence, it is not there all the time.
Defensive? when you have idiots who speak with their a S S, there is always a need to correct them, or this place stink!! That is pollution!!
So?Originally posted by Gazelle:Australia has long experience with mining and the world biggest exporter of coal. Coal pollutes when it is mined, transported to the power plant, stored, and burned.
it all about enviroment isnt it? Anyway fymk, I suggest you start a new thread about enviroment since your beloved australia is finally going to sign the kyoto protocol.Originally posted by rooki:So?Relevance? What does it have to do with fymk's comments?
Let me put in a simple yet clear manner for you to understand my comments:Originally posted by Gazelle:it all about enviroment isnt it? Anyway fymk, I suggest you start a new thread about enviroment since your beloved australia is finally going to sign the kyoto protocol.
if every country has a pollution problem, why is there a need to talk about singapore? so you think australia got no refineries? or because australia is big so it is ok to pollute the atmosphere?Originally posted by fymk:Ai yo...so defensive and yet so wrong. No pollution? ho ho ho this is the BIGGEST dumbest piece of hogwash I ever heard from you.
Go check what an oil refinery does and what it emits. Then come back and talk lah.
No pollution? There is an article I read on industralised areas pertaining to Singapore in Environmental Monitoring and Assessment. The title is Lichens as Bioindicators of Atmospheric Heavy Metal Pollution in Singapore , written by NUS researchers. If those lichens are absorbing metals from the air , what do you think the people in Jurong are breathing?
We are not talking about a country whose size can be seen on a map. We are talking about a highly densely populated country with land so scarce that the property prices are already skyrocketing.
Every single country has a form of pollution problem. To deny that Singapore has pollution , is a form of delusion. The scientific study done in Singapore has just proven you wrong like the Constitution of Singapore.
honestly I don't give a damn what you said about jurong west, or any study unless those studies prove that our current standard of air pollution control is insufficient to control the particles emitted in the air and can cause harm to human body. any emission that are above the standard that could raise an alarm is most likely to come from human negligence or accident.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Don't put words in my mouth regarding Jurong West, nor presume you know what I'm talking about.
Sheesh, this sort of presumptious behaviour only happens in Speakers' Corner.
I'll not comment more, but merely direct you and those interested to Fymk's reference to the NUS study or any other related studies on absorption of particulates by organisms.
Go and read for yourself. Why does everyone demand a librarian's service? I raised an issue, if you are skeptical, the onus is on those who wish to rebut , to go and find out.Originally posted by sgdiehard:honestly I don't give a damn what you said about jurong west, or any study unless those studies prove that our current standard of air pollution control is insufficient to control the particles emitted in the air and can cause harm to human body. any emission that are above the standard that could raise an alarm is most likely to come from human negligence or accident.
we are probably breathing in more harmful particles from car emission than any other combined.
Dont bother to comment. I am really not interested unless you have anything to prove that refineries operation in singapore is causing pollution.
come to think about it, I realize that this is the only legitimate response to the TS on the latest catch for Singapore. don't know how some idiots can turn around and question about pollution management in singapore. Rolls Royce engine assembly plant and biofuel plant cause any pollution?Originally posted by HyperFocal:It's amazing & remarkable even, that Singapore is doing so well...
... and yet many are just getting by....![]()
I really am not interested in the issue you raised. no time to play ball with you. keep the ball, its my pleasure.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Go and read for yourself. Why does everyone demand a librarian's service? I raised an issue, if you are skeptical, the onus is on those who wish to rebut , to go and find out.
You won't get any spoon-feeding. I am certainly not obliged to be this charitable. My point has been made and the ball is in your court.![]()
if fymk wants to talk about pollution, then Gazelle's post is absolutely relevant.Originally posted by rooki:So?
Relevance? What does it have to do with fymk's comments?
Originally posted by fymk:Singapore's plan in pollution control is world class, there is no need to brag to me. If you have a few hundred millions to invest in Singapore, then we will ask you what is your pollution control management.
Let me put in a simple yet clear manner for you to understand my comments:
Look at the bigger picture instead of the smaller picture . [b]Investments are all good, provided it is not at the expense of Singaporeans particularly those living in Jurong West and Boon Lay.
I am asking about the environmental impact management of those investments. Singapore is not a big country which can afford to put in large buffer zones. Even the bigger countries have environmental pollution which seriously affects the health of certain communities near the industrial areas and mining zones.
Think of it as a chance to brag to me about how Singapore plans to control pollution from those plants in a world class manner.
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