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Under the copyright laws , I cannot distribute the journal article in full but feel free to go to the National University of Singapore Library to request for it.Originally posted by Gazelle:yes you highlighted the name of the report, I am asking if you have a copy of the report. If you do, can you share with us?
You got the title of the journal and you got the title . Surely there won't be a problem for you to find it.
If you would like to read the abstract - cut and paste the title into google. I am pretty sure that they have a free abstract. -
Originally posted by fymk:
Since you have the the report, I am sure you will be able to give us a quick summary of what this research paper is all about.
[b]Under the copyright laws , I cannot distribute the journal article in full but feel free to go to the National University of Singapore Library to request for it.
You got the title of the journal and you got the title . Surely there won't be a problem for you to find it.
If you would like to read the abstract - cut and paste the title into google. I am pretty sure that they have a free abstract. [/b] -
I already gave the gist of it but if you wish to read the abstract:Originally posted by Gazelle:Since you have the the report, I am sure you will be able to give us a quick summary of what this research paper is all about.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/r705027j141r1n20/
It states quite clearly from the abtract, contrary to what sghardie said of having no pollution :"Peak concentrations of zinc (83.55 ìg g−1), copper (45.13 ìg g−1) and lead (16.59 ìg g−1) in lichens were found at Sembawang, Jurong and the National University of Singapore campus which are locations associated with heavy petroleum and shipping industries, and road traffic respectively
Go find the article for a clearer picture. They listed out what they found .
- taken directly" from O.H. Ng, B. C. Tan and J. P. Obbard(2006)Lichens as Bioindicators of Atmospheric Heavy Metal Pollution in Singapore . Environmental Monitoring and Assessment, Vol123: 63-74
There are similar articles. If you are keen, there is always NUS library to go to. -
one thing i came to realise now is that sg is a good place to operate the business. with <300k as tax free and low income tax, it set me thinking to perhaps setup an office in SG.
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fymk, since you claim to have a copy of the research paper and you have read the details of it, i am sure it is not going to be too difficult for you to share some details about it right? I know of copyright law etc....but to quote something from the articile thats not going to get you into trouble isnt it?Originally posted by fymk:Go find the article for a clearer picture. They listed out what they found .
There are similar articles. If you are keen, there is always NUS library to go to.
unless you are????? -
You can't quote a major part if it is part of a working paper in a Journal. Most times, these are not in electronic form.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, since you claim to have a copy of the research paper and you have read the details of it, i am sure it is not going to be too difficult for you to share some details about it right? I know of copyright law etc....but to quote something from the articile thats not going to get you into trouble isnt it?
unless you are?????
I believe fymk has pasted a short extract above.
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It is not important if she had a copy of the research paper, it is whether she understands what the report is all about.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, since you claim to have a copy of the research paper and you have read the details of it, i am sure it is not going to be too difficult for you to share some details about it right? I know of copyright law etc....but to quote something from the articile thats not going to get you into trouble isnt it?
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So what does it say about pollution? what lesson is there for us in selecting our BIG CATCH for Singapore?Originally posted by fymk:quote:
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"Peak concentrations of zinc (83.55 ìg g−1), copper (45.13 ìg g−1) and lead (16.59 ìg g−1) in lichens were found at Sembawang, Jurong and the National University of Singapore campus which are locations associated with heavy petroleum and shipping industries, and road traffic respectively
- taken directly" from O.H. Ng, B. C. Tan and J. P. Obbard(2006)Lichens as Bioindicators of Atmospheric Heavy Metal Pollution in Singapore . Environmental Monitoring and Assessment, Vol123: 63-74
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If you want to understand what she's talking about go and take a swim. After a few days the picture will be make quite clear to you.Originally posted by sgdiehard:It is not important if she had a copy of the research paper, it is whether she understands what the report is all about.
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The short abstract posted by fymk is something which you find on the internet but it doesnt really tell us alot about their finding on pollution.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You can't quote a major part if it is part of a working paper in a Journal. Most times, these are not in electronic form.
I believe fymk has pasted a short extract above.
Since fymk claim to own and read the journal I am sure it wont be that difficult to quote some scienticifc findings from the reports isnt it?
After all, this is for the benefit of suffering Singaporeans who is living in this "miserable" island call Singapore.
fymk, share leh.... -
quid pro quo..maybe you should share an interesting experience with her before she posts some quotesOriginally posted by Gazelle:The short abstract posted by fymk is something which you find on the internet but it doesnt really tell us alot about their finding on pollution.
Since fymk claim to own and read the journal I am sure it wont be that difficult to quote some scienticifc findings from the reports isnt it?
After all, this is for the benefit of suffering Singaporeans who is living in this "miserable" island call Singapore.
fymk, share leh.... -
Copyright laws state quite clearly that I cannot quote the whole article or a major part of it unless the authors give permission which is usually a hassle to obtain. You have to read the whole thing for yourself and decide for yourself.Originally posted by Gazelle:The short abstract posted by fymk is something which you find on the internet but it doesnt really tell us alot about their finding on pollution.
Since fymk claim to own and read the journal I am sure it wont be that difficult to quote some scienticifc findings from the reports isnt it?
After all, this is for the benefit of suffering Singaporeans who is living in this "miserable" island call Singapore.
fymk, share leh....
Like I said, go down to NUS library and look for it. That is if you are actually interested in reading what is happening. I do believe that MOE has a library the public can access but that was years back when I went inside MOE to look at their library.
I don't own the journal. I have electronic access to it because of the nature of my work. I am not about to violate intellectual property rights or copyright laws to prove myself right. -
For members of the public, simply register for entry rights. Usually it is given if you are able to state what you need to use the libraries for.Originally posted by fymk:Like I said, go down to NUS library and look for it. That is if you are actually interested in reading what is happening. I do believe that MOE has a library the public can access but that was years back when I went inside MOE to look at their library. -
They used lichens as bioatmospheric monitors/indicators of heavy metal pollution in the air in certain areas of Singapore.Originally posted by sgdiehard:It is not important if she had a copy of the research paper, it is whether she understands what the report is all about.
If you wish to understand more , I am sure that MOE will have subscribed to the journal.
I prefer it more if you all just go and read the whole article then come back and discuss it .
Want to read it - go to the MOE or NUS library. Simple. Whole picture better than part picture like newspaper sensationalised clippings. -
fymk, you dont have to break the law to proof anything. you can always tell us what you have learn from the concerning article since you claim that you know alot about it.Originally posted by fymk:Copyright laws state quite clearly that I cannot quote the whole article or a major part of it unless the authors give permission which is usually a hassle to obtain. You have to read the whole thing for yourself and decide for yourself.
Like I said, go down to NUS library and look for it. That is if you are actually interested in reading what is happening. I do believe that MOE has a library the public can access but that was years back when I went inside MOE to look at their library.
I don't own the journal. I have electronic access to it because of the nature of my work. I am not about to violate intellectual property rights or copyright laws to prove myself right. -
You are repeating what we already know leh..care tell us something we dont know?Originally posted by fymk:They used lichens as bioatmospheric monitors/indicators of heavy metal pollution in the air in certain areas of Singapore.
If you wish to understand more , I am sure that MOE will have subscribed to the journal.
I prefer it more if you all just go and read the whole article then come back and discuss it .
Want to read it - go to the MOE or NUS library. Simple. Whole picture better than part picture like newspaper sensationalised clippings.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18344735 -
The article states clearly that there are pollution in certain industrialised areas of Singapore which Sghardie is disputing. Sghardie is claiming that there is NO (meaning zero) pollution at all in Singapore and that those fuel plants do not cause pollution at all.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, you dont have to break the law to proof anything. you can always tell us what you have learn from the concerning article since you claim that you know alot about it.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Dont bother to comment. I am really not interested unless you have anything to prove that refineries operation in singapore is causing pollution.Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Now my question to you : Do you agree with his statement that refineries do not cause pollution at all or do not create pollution ?
...... For many years the refineries have been in operation here, many have expanded several times, if there is any pollution even your father would have been affected by now.
Today, the most likihood of pollution from refineries come from accidents. There are even extensive safeguard against human error or negligence. Don't talk something you have absolutely no idea about.
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ah ya , all of us in this thread including you know about it but sghardie doesn't.Originally posted by Gazelle:You are repeating what we already know leh..care tell us something we dont know?
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a) I dont recall sgdiehard claiming that there are zero pollution, do you mind quoting the concerning statement.Originally posted by fymk:The article states clearly that there are pollution in certain industrialised areas of Singapore which Sghardie is disputing. Sghardie is claiming that there is NO (meaning zero) pollution at all in Singapore and that those fuel plants do not cause pollution at all.
b) The abstact from internet, specifically mentioned that heavy petroleum and shipping industries, and road traffic are all big contributor to pollution, can I know why you only highlight that people living in Jurong west will suffer? what about people living next to the highway or close to shipping industry?
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Look at the quotes again .Originally posted by Gazelle:a) I dont recall sgdiehard claiming that there are zero pollution, do you mind quoting the concerning statement.
b) The abstact from internet, specifically mentioned that heavy petroleum and shipping industries, and road traffic are all big contributor to pollution, can I know why you only highlight that people living in Jurong west will suffer? what about people living next to the highway or close to shipping industry?
Care to tell us which is biggest contributor of pollution among the 3?
He is asking for proof that refineries do cause pollution
So let me rephrase : do refineries cause pollution or not?
Yes or no. Yes if you agree with him as in below:Originally posted by sgdiehard:
OR No if you do not.
Dont bother to comment. I am really not interested unless you have anything to prove that refineries operation in singapore is causing pollution. -
asking you to provide proof that refinery cause harmful pollution as you claim is not equal to saying that refinery produce zero pollution.
Is there any reason why you are not answering my question regarding which is the biggest sources of pollution in Singapore? -
No. by his words, he stated pollution - and he denied that there was pollution caused by the refineries.Originally posted by Gazelle:asking you to provide proof that refinery cause harmful pollution as you claim is not equal to saying that refinery produce zero pollution.
Is there any reason why you are not answering my question regarding which is the biggest sources of pollution in Singapore?
There is no reason - I told you already to read the paper and judge for yourself. The answer is in the full report with the detail of analysis .
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Since you are choose to quote this research paper in your claim that refinery is harmful to people living in jurong west, I am sure you must have some facts to support your argument isnt it?Originally posted by fymk:No. by his words, he stated pollution - and he denied that there was pollution caused by the refineries.
There is no reason - I told you already to read the paper and judge for yourself. The answer is in the full report with the detail of analysis .
If you cannot be bothered to look for the whole paper - then why ask me ?
unless you are telling me that:-
a) You have never seen this report before
b) You dont have access to this report
c) You are lying about having them and using copyright law to avoid answering to my question.
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If I am lying , I would not tell people to go and look for the full paper in the library , would I? There are plenty of uni students lurking in the forums who can easily access the paper online.Originally posted by Gazelle:Since you are choose to quote this research paper in your claim that refinery is harmful to people living in jurong west, I am sure you must have some facts to support your argument isnt it?
unless you are telling me that:-
a) You have never seen this report before
b) You dont have access to this report
c) You are lying about having them and using copyright law to avoid answering to my question.
I hope not, because that will be very embarrassing.
My main inference is simple - it adds to the pollution factor areas surrounding Jurong Island and Tuas - where is the nearest towns ? Jurong and Boon Lay.
If those lichens are absorbing those heavy metals from the air - what do you think people there are breathing?
There is another paper in Social Indicators Research on residents in Jurong West which state pretty clearly about what some residents think of the air quality there. -
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