Breaking News: Two SDP leaders arrested by Police!
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Kidnapping or wrongful restraint is alright so long as it's done by the government.
Only the government is above the law, they have all the "Lee" You (reason). -
There is a radius around Shangri-la that's gazetted a Protected Place.Originally posted by maurizio13:
What law did they violate this time?
The Penal Code didn't specify that walking along Orchard Road was an offence. Maybe they should have more grey areas, like the gathering of more than 5 persons is an illegal gathering.
The protestors were at the radius picketing.
In any case, they were not charged because I'm sure the govt cannot afford this to be splashed around the international press tmrw. -
I just think that our P4P government is hypocritical, you condemn the Burmese military government's crackdown on peaceful protest. Aren't they doing the same by restraining peaceful protest here.Originally posted by LazerLordz:There is a radius around Shangri-la that's gazetted a Protected Place.
The protestors were at the radius picketing.
In any case, they were not charged because I'm sure the govt cannot afford this to be splashed around the international press tmrw.
Alot has to be done to reform this authoritarian regime. -
I agree.Originally posted by maurizio13:I just think that our P4P government is hypocritical, you condemn the Burmese military government's crackdown on peaceful protest, aren't they doing the same by restraining peaceful protest here.
Alot has to be done to reform this authoritarian regime.
But think about it, this year and last, the space for peaceful public protest has improved by a lot. You get small groups of people coming and going with their causes.
I think it will evolve to be something like Section 377A. Where if it doesn't hurt anyone, they'll wayang a bit, throw some cops around to intimidate (like any American city does, perhaps fine one or two ppl for disturbing the peace) and generally not stop a protest.
But if it gets violent, then I'm all for kicking those idiots' asses. -
so far seems like we have sdp trying to provoke pap/gov( yes the pple in charge can't seem to differentiate the 2 either), and the government abusing power or doing some things that appear to be bending rules......
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I think the protest are only restricted to non-politically motivated protest, anything political they definitely will disallow it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I agree.
But think about it, this year and last, the space for peaceful public protest has improved by a lot. You get small groups of people coming and going with their causes.
I think it will evolve to be something like Section 377A. Where if it doesn't hurt anyone, they'll wayang a bit, throw some cops around to intimidate (like any American city does, perhaps fine one or two ppl for disturbing the peace) and generally not stop a protest.
But if it gets violent, then I'm all for kicking those idiots' asses.
Even Worker's Party anniversary cycle at East Coast Park was rejected with lame reasons. -
Well, one step forward is better than none. Oh, don't forget the YPAP's cycling trip was called off too.Originally posted by maurizio13:I think the protest are only restricted to non-politically motivated protest, anything political they definitely will disallow it.
Even Worker's Party anniversary cycle at East Coast Park was rejected with lame reasons. -
ThEir Action Is Not NeW.
THEIR PURPOSE IS TO IRRITATE AND CHALLENGE THE GOVT WITH THE PURPOSE OF FINDING FAULT WITH THE POLICE IF THE POLICE MISHANDLE THE CASE.
THUS GIVE THEM REASON TO PUT SG GOVT IN THE BAD LIGHT.
NOW THERE ARE SO MANY PROMINENT AND INFLUENTIAL WORLD LEADERS IN SG. IT IS A GOOD CHANCE TO SMEAR THE SG GOVT IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP. THEY NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SMEAR AND TALK BAD ABOUT THE SG GOVT.
THE SG GOVT ALSO NOT STUPID. THEY WOULD NOT FALL INTO THEIR TRAP. PROBABLY THE POLICE SENT TO HANDLE THEM HAVE BEEN BRIEFED AND CAUTIONED NOT TO OVER REACT.
THEY HAVE CHOSEN THE CONFRONTATIONAL APPROACH TO CHAMPION THEIR CAUSE.
SO EXPECT THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT TO HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES FOR THE OPP.
IN BEGGAR'S EYES. THEIR APPROACH IS WASTING TIME AS SG PEOPLE DONT LIKE THEIR CONFRONTATION STYLE.
THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS JUST FOR THE FOREIGNERS TO SEE. ESPECIALLY THE FOREIGN MEDIA AND SINGAPORE HATERS.
WE SHOULD NOT OVER REACT. NOTHING NEW. JUST SEE SHOW. -
Whether the SDP are stupid or otherwise, I respect them for their guts.
How many of us dare to test the boundaries of the law? -
Originally posted by maurizio13:Whether the SDP are stupid or otherwise, I respect them for their guts.
How many of us dare to test the boundaries of the law?
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Was the YPAP's cycling trip dated after WP's cycling event?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, one step forward is better than none. Oh, don't forget the YPAP's cycling trip was called off too.
If they disallow WP's event, obviously they can't blatantly allow the YPAP's trip. -
I bet in the past they would have.Originally posted by maurizio13:Was the YPAP's cycling trip dated after WP's cycling event?
If they disallow WP's event, obviously they can't blatantly allow the YPAP's trip. -
In the past, Chan Soo Sen will cycle his bike around Katong area and East Coast Park.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I bet in the past they would have.
He normally has 5-7 cyclist with him. -
Is there a case where, you and I, or any member of the public that crosses into a gazetted zone and refuse to obey the instructions of the police to step back, are not arrested, and only known miscreants are arrested?
Would you believe that the PAP gave the police instructions, to arrest only SDP members who cross the line, and not others?
Would any country say "Oh! they are protesting, so temporarily all laws do not apply til the protest is over."
Observe the law, even when protesting. Is that too difficult to understand?
Emotionaliam contributes to skewed perspective. -
GUTS....... THE SUICIDE BOMBERS GOT BIGGER GUTS. PLEASE RESPECT THEM.Originally posted by maurizio13:Whether the SDP are stupid or otherwise, I respect them for their guts.
How many of us dare to test the boundaries of the law?
PLS REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THEMSELVES NOT FOR SINGAPOREANS.
U WANT GUTS CAN GO TO THE MARKET TO BUY. BIG SMALL ALSO HAVE -
"All animals are born equal, but some are more equal than others." - Napoleon (courtesy of Animal Farm)Originally posted by maurizio13:Kidnapping or wrongful restraint is alright so long as it's done by the government.
Only the government is above the law, they have all the "Lee" You (reason). -
i wonder why the police don't just shoot them? haizzz. anyway they kill them also no need reason mah. cos follow order.
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Originally posted by beggarchief:
Alas, you have to draw a distinction between the two.
[b]GUTS....... THE SUICIDE BOMBERS GOT BIGGER GUTS. PLEASE RESPECT THEM.
PLS REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THEMSELVES NOT FOR SINGAPOREANS.
U WANT GUTS CAN GO TO THE MARKET TO BUY. BIG SMALL ALSO HAVE [/b]
Suicide bombers, murder innocent lives for their cause.
Political activist like Dr. Chee's sister and John Tan, stage PEACEFUL protest but gets hamshackled by the police which is pro-P4P.
Next you will probably be equating the status of those Burmese monks staging PEACEFUL protest, to those deplorable actions of suicide bombers.
It's always easy to blur the distinction so that you can distort the whole picture. -
Simple question.Originally posted by mancha:Is there a case where, you and I, or any member of the public that crosses into a gazetted zone and refuse to obey the instructions of the police to step back, are not arrested, and only known miscreants are arrested?
Would you believe that the PAP gave the police instructions, to arrest only SDP members who cross the line, and not others?
Would any country say "Oh! they are protesting, so temporarily all laws do not apply til the protest is over."
Observe the law, even when protesting. Is that too difficult to understand?
Emotionaliam contributes to skewed perspective.
If they truly violated any law.
Why weren't they prosecuted?
Instead they were just abducted.
I guess the authorities who have always acted in a high handed manner decided to be merciful this time around.
Blind submission and obedience contributes to warp logic. -
This, is DISGUSTING...
it clearly shows what kind of "law" the despots have in place...!!!
So cowardly!!!
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Update: Chee Siok Chin and John Tan released
Singapore Democrats
20 Nov 07
Ms Chee Siok Chin and Mr John Tan were released after police held them without providing a reason when the two appeared outside the Shangri-la Hotel this afternoon.
They arrived at about 5.00 pm at Orchard Towers when they were told that a group of Burmese were gathering there to stage a protest march. Ms Chee and Mr Tan were there to lend support to the protesters.
By 5.45pm, both SDP leaders decided to take a walk towards Shangrila Hotel as there were no protesters in sight.
As they approached Orchard Hotel, plainclothes police were seen scurrying to set up their video cameras and getting on their cell phones. As the two turned into Orange Grove Road, a group of police officers approached them and warned the duo that they were in a protected area and that they should turn back.
There were at least three other members of the public who walked past them towards the Shangri-la Hotel and they were not stopped or given any warning by the police.
Mr Tan and Ms Chee thanked the police for the warnings and walked on. About 100 m from the hotel, female police officers surrounded Ms Chee and prevented her from walking on.
At this point a senior police officer was summoned to the scene. He asked Ms Chee what her intention was walking towards the hotel. Ms Chee told the police that she was intending to have a meal there. Despite this, the police prevented the both of them from proceeding.
An unmarked police van then pulled up and Ms Chee was forced into the van. Mr John Tan was subsequently dragged into the same van. When asked if they had committed any offence, the woman officer by the name of Thean Siew Khin said no. When asked if they were under arrest, another officer Ng Chee Wei also said no.
So why were they being forced into this unmarked police van? None of the five police officers in the van could answer them.
When asked where the two were being taken, they said "your headquarters". Ms Chee told them that her car was parked at Orchard Hotel and asked to be let off. She realised that the police were taking them to the former SDP headquarters along Serangoon Road.
After spending some 40 minutes in the van, the police finally realised that the SDP had moved out of the office in Serangoon Road. The driver was then given instructions to send Ms Chee and Mr Tan back to Orchard Hotel.
What right did the police have in stopping Ms Chee and Mr Tan from heading to the Shangri-la Hotel when other people were allowed to?
What right did the police have in man-handling the both and forcing them into a vehicle which was not even a police van (PA 2448J)?
Was it legal for the police to take them to a place against their will when they had not committed any offence?
Was this not a form of illegal detention?
Citizens of Singapore are supposed to be protected by the police. Instead Ms Chee and Mr Tan were harassed, discriminated against, and held without any reason.
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The bumbling police appeared a little overzealous. Ask Ho Peng Kee and he'll tell you that's true.
Forget it. It could be worse. -
So is this how the opposition party members intend to show their credibility?
Damn bo liao leh..........
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Any suggestion on what opposition members should do to improve on their standings?Originally posted by :So is this how the opposition party members intend to show their credibility?
Damn bo liao leh..........
Organise a public forum subject to approval by the authorities?
Have government controlled Straits Time or LianHe to conduct interview?
What channels do opposition members have to voice their ideals?
Maybe you can give some brilliant suggestions?
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who says they did that to "show their credibility"? and what do you mean by "how the opposition party members"? like all opposition members are martyrs... hahahaha another despots supporter that is one confused person...Originally posted by :So is this how the opposition party members intend to show their credibility?
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NATO pu$$y like you should just shu.t the fcuk up and hide under the skirt.Originally posted by maurizio13:Any suggestion on what opposition members should do to improve on their standings?
Organise a public forum subject to approval by the authorities?
Have government controlled Straits Time or LianHe to conduct interview?
What channel do opposition members have to voice their ideals?
Maybe you can give some brilliant suggestions?
Thanks in advance.