Breaking News: Two SDP leaders arrested by Police!
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of my GE experiences, I voted once for PAP, twice for opposition and the coming one GE 2011, hehehe guess what I am going to vote?Originally posted by maurizio13:If a person is unbias and fair, from the video, I think he/she can more or less see who is in the wrong.
Actually, I am ambivalent towards Dr. Chee, but after seeing the video, next election comes, I will vote in opposition regardless of their credibility just to dethrone our King, Queen, Princess and Princesses. -
I would prefer the important of livelihood above democracy, current Hong Kong model I think not bad. When pple have enff to eat then they go to the street to act as if that they have democracy and human right.
Just forget about Taiwan model, they put democracy at the expenses of their people livelihood. The economic is getting worst every year and the politician only know how to tell lies. They can let their people go to the street and cry for democracy without doing any thing and yet they still can stay in power.
The worst kind of democracy is the America. They make the young go overseas to fight wars after wars and I wonder this young go fight for the business interest that belong to the big corporation that are behind supporting those politician or they are fighting for their own country.
What is democracy? Who will bother to go find out which philosopher or the history of it? However, It is very sad that now a day people are using it as a convenient tool.
They want to overthrow a government they say this is human right and democracy. How convenient. A robber kills someone and was sentence to death by the laws and they say that not human right and no democracy. How convenient. They want to whack havocs they claim that this is human right. You chase them out and they said u have no democracy. How convenient.
Every thing they want to do they will put the responsibilities on human right and democracy without even coming out with any solutions. How convenient.
And if things go wrong this is not their fault because they are doing it for human right and democracy. How convenient.
Who are not happy? You are welcome to challenge me.
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What is democracy? this definition I found.Originally posted by Mitell:I would prefer the important of livelihood above democracy, current Hong Kong model I think not bad. When pple have enff to eat then they go to the street to act as if that they have democracy and human right.
Just forget about Taiwan model, they put democracy at the expenses of their people livelihood. The economic is getting worst every year and the politician only know how to tell lies. They can let their people go to the street and cry for democracy without doing any thing and yet they still can stay in power.
The worst kind of democracy is the America. They make the young go overseas to fight wars after wars and I wonder this young go fight for the business interest that belong to the big corporation that are behind supporting those politician or they are fighting for their own country.
What is democracy? Who will bother to go find out which philosopher or the history of it? However, It is very sad that now a day people are using it as a convenient tool.
They want to overthrow a government they say this is human right and democracy. How convenient. A robber kills someone and was sentence to death by the laws and they say that not human right and no democracy. How convenient. They want to whack havocs they claim that this is human right. You chase them out and they said u have no democracy. How convenient.
Every thing they want to do they will put the responsibilities on human right and democracy without even coming out with any solutions. How convenient.
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
Overthrowing a government in the name of democracy, maybe not in Singapore context IMO. In a nation like Burma perhaps, perhaps not. The vibes I get from most people who oppose the ruling party here in SGP are mainly asking for reforms.
As for the death sentence, I personally feel that one man should not decide whether another lives or dies. But thats just my personal take and not the point of the thread, meant for another if it does start.
It is not a human right to wreck havoc. Its is a human right, however, to assemble peacefully without arms and non-violently. With the episode regarding Ms Chee and John Tan, clearly point number 5 above, didn't apply.
On the contrary, advocating human rights is advocating more responsibilities to the individual. As the PAP leaders once said (think it was LKY) "More rights/freedom equals more responsibility " or somewhere along those lines. Then again, who are they (the PAP) to decide whether we are ready for the responsibilities or not. The compulsory annuity is a perfect example.Originally posted by Mitell:
You've seen it happen? People putting the blame or using human rights as an excuse? Take Dr Chee for example, I don't really agree with all his antics, but I do not condemn what he does either. Some positive does come out of it. He then goes to jail in the name of individual rights, not run away from it.
And if things go wrong this is not their fault because they are doing it for human right and democracy. How convenient.
Here in Singapore, there are those who call for more accountability with clear facts, not obscure speeches. Like in the case of selling arms to burma. No figures were released. E.g the manifest of what was sold in detail. Just a friggin speech by George Yeo that just throws alot of smoke.
GIC, Temasek etc.. should be liable to public scrutiny. We vote for the MPs to represent us, but we don't get to vote for his boss? Maybe PM selection should be done like presidential elections or increase the presidents veto power. -
I think either party having excessive power is bad for the country, it promotes cronyism and other evils.Originally posted by t_a_s:of my GE experiences, I voted once for PAP, twice for opposition and the coming one GE 2011, hehehe guess what I am going to vote?
It's best to have 2-3 parties sharing the power, there can be less abuse of power this way, because each party is keeping watch on the other party, jostling for more votes in the next election.
Likewise, in Economics Monopolies (single supplier, like Singtel in the 1980s) are bad, because they have market power and they charge excessively for their goods & services. Oligopolies (afew suppliers) and Perfect Competition is prefered as it benefits the consumers. -
Democracy and Fascist Cronyism.Originally posted by Mitell:I would prefer the important of livelihood above democracy, current Hong Kong model I think not bad. When pple have enff to eat then they go to the street to act as if that they have democracy and human right.
Just forget about Taiwan model, they put democracy at the expenses of their people livelihood. The economic is getting worst every year and the politician only know how to tell lies. They can let their people go to the street and cry for democracy without doing any thing and yet they still can stay in power.
The worst kind of democracy is the America. They make the young go overseas to fight wars after wars and I wonder this young go fight for the business interest that belong to the big corporation that are behind supporting those politician or they are fighting for their own country.
What is democracy? Who will bother to go find out which philosopher or the history of it? However, It is very sad that now a day people are using it as a convenient tool.
They want to overthrow a government they say this is human right and democracy. How convenient. A robber kills someone and was sentence to death by the laws and they say that not human right and no democracy. How convenient. They want to whack havocs they claim that this is human right. You chase them out and they said u have no democracy. How convenient.
Every thing they want to do they will put the responsibilities on human right and democracy without even coming out with any solutions. How convenient.
And if things go wrong this is not their fault because they are doing it for human right and democracy. How convenient.
Who are not happy? You are welcome to challenge me.
Which do you prefer?
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i tell u what is democracy: it is idealistic and hence it is termed an idealogy. no one practices democracy 100%. Democracy passes the power to the masses, the people. It works better for a homogenuous population which a common identity. In singapore? it hardly works because we are barely less than 50 years old and our people are not homogenous, with cultures belonging to distant lands. people who advocates democracy for singapore are not thinkers, they are doing it for their own selfish desires, the desire to de-throne Lee family and P4P.Originally posted by Mitell:I would prefer the important of livelihood above democracy, current Hong Kong model I think not bad. When pple have enff to eat then they go to the street to act as if that they have democracy and human right.
Just forget about Taiwan model, they put democracy at the expenses of their people livelihood. The economic is getting worst every year and the politician only know how to tell lies. They can let their people go to the street and cry for democracy without doing any thing and yet they still can stay in power.
The worst kind of democracy is the America. They make the young go overseas to fight wars after wars and I wonder this young go fight for the business interest that belong to the big corporation that are behind supporting those politician or they are fighting for their own country.
What is democracy? Who will bother to go find out which philosopher or the history of it? However, It is very sad that now a day people are using it as a convenient tool.
They want to overthrow a government they say this is human right and democracy. How convenient. A robber kills someone and was sentence to death by the laws and they say that not human right and no democracy. How convenient. They want to whack havocs they claim that this is human right. You chase them out and they said u have no democracy. How convenient.
Every thing they want to do they will put the responsibilities on human right and democracy without even coming out with any solutions. How convenient.
And if things go wrong this is not their fault because they are doing it for human right and democracy. How convenient.
Who are not happy? You are welcome to challenge me. -
True, sadly, most if not all essential services in SGP are GLC controlled or GLC link. We should have more stringent competition laws here in SGP. Like how temasek tried to corner the mobile market in Indonesia and got bit in the arse.Originally posted by maurizio13:I think either party having excessive power is bad for the country, it promotes cronyism and other evils.
It's best to have 2-3 parties sharing the power, there can be less abuse of power this way, because each party is keeping watch on the other party, jostling for more votes in the next election.
Likewise, in Economics Monopolies (single supplier, like Singtel in the 1980s) are bad, because they have market power and they charge excessively for their goods & services. Oligopolies (afew suppliers) and Perfect Competition is prefered as it benefits the consumers. -
I suppose Fascist Cronyism is better than Democracy.Originally posted by Daddy!!:i tell u what is democracy: it is idealistic and hence it is termed an idealogy. no one practices democracy 100%. Democracy passes the power to the masses, the people. It works better for a homogenuous population which a common identity. In singapore? it hardly works because we are barely less than 50 years old and our people are not homogenous, with cultures belonging to distant lands. people who advocates democracy for singapore are not thinkers, they are doing it for their own selfish desires, the desire to de-throne Lee family and P4P. -
PAP regime made a bad move to kidnap the two SDP leaders.
This is clearly a propaganda victory for SDP.
They can spread this story for a long time and agitate people to support them.
Three cheers for SDP!
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The Indonesian KPPU(Indonesian comssion for competition) is at fault.Originally posted by Jontst78:True, sadly, most if not all essential services in SGP are GLC controlled or GLC link. We should have more stringent competition laws here in SGP. Like how temasek tried to corner the mobile market in Indonesia and got bit in the arse. -
Actually the government still has control over Singapore's mobile market, because all the 3 mobile companies are still owned by government through circumvention.Originally posted by Jontst78:True, sadly, most if not all essential services in SGP are GLC controlled or GLC link. We should have more stringent competition laws here in SGP. Like how temasek tried to corner the mobile market in Indonesia and got bit in the arse.
Singapore's mobile market is a pseudo oligopoly.
The stringent competion laws though we have one, won't work against the government linked companies, because these companies are above the law. -
the direction for singapore is : (a) consolidate base, (b) collecting corporate dividends from local and overseas investments.
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I can't deny that SDP had some ulterior intent, but the handling of the issue by Michael Tan was totally uncalled for, because Ms. Chee and Mr. John Tan was clearly not a threat to anybody.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:PAP regime made a bad move to kidnap the two SDP leaders.
This is clearly a propaganda victory for SDP.
They can spread this story for a long time and agitate people to support them.
Three cheers for SDP!
The police has no criminal charges against them, yet they decided to kidnap the both of them.
Under the Kidnapping Act (Chapter 151)
Abduction, wrongful restraint or wrongful confinement for ransom
3. Whoever, with intent to hold any person for ransom, abducts or wrongfully restrains or wrongfully confines that person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be punished on conviction with death or imprisonment for life and shall, if he is not sentenced to death, also be liable to caning.
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I thought read from somewhere that M1 shares has been bought byOriginally posted by maurizio13:Actually the government still has control over Singapore's mobile market, because all the 3 mobile companies are still owned by government through circumvention.
Singapore's mobile market is a pseudo oligopoly.
The stringent competion laws though we have one, won't work against the government linked companies, because these companies are above the law.
Khazanah, the Malaysian equivalent of Temasek? -
Is it?Originally posted by will4:I thought read from somewhere that M1 shares has been bought by
Khazanah, the Malaysian equivalent of Temasek?
Maybe you can cite your source?
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BEGGAR DONT SUPPORT SDP. NEVER.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:PAP regime made a bad move to kidnap the two SDP leaders.
This is clearly a propaganda victory for SDP.
They can spread this story for a long time and agitate people to support them.
Three cheers for SDP!
BEGGAR RATHER SUPPORT AH MENG. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:
the people in Singapore will prefer that chee and gang are sent to perpectual imprisonment under ISA by ISD
I can't deny that SDP had some ulterior intent, but the handling of the issue by Michael Tan was totally uncalled for, because Ms. Chee and Mr. John Tan was clearly not a threat to anybody.
The police has no criminal charges against them, yet they decided to kidnap the both of them.
[b]Under the Kidnapping Act (Chapter 151)
Abduction, wrongful restraint or wrongful confinement for ransom
3. Whoever, with intent to hold any person for ransom, abducts or wrongfully restrains or wrongfully confines that person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be punished on conviction with death or imprisonment for life and shall, if he is not sentenced to death, also be liable to caning.
But I guess the police are above the law, afterall we are a police state.
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
Anything that is beyond materialism will have to be idealistic.
i tell u what is democracy: it is idealistic and hence it is termed an idealogy. no one practices democracy 100%.
If a Human has no idealism, the person is no better than the lowest species of being an animal.
Even in the animal world, within the different species - animals ''aspire'' to procreate to preserve their lineage, and battle for supremacy of large territores.
For Humans, we should be better than heirachic rule of the animal kingdom - in which the strongest rule the pack.
Idealism is an idea that one aspire to reach and to have, while the concept of Democracy of government that has been developed since the period of ancient Greek history.
Is the idea of Democracy such an idealistic concept that cannot be attained - given the superior intelligence of the Human Kind that has evolved through the centuries ?
Democracy require consultation and agreement between the leadership and those who are led.
The intelligence of the Human Kind is a discerning one, able to move ahead or around obstacles - to reach the highest rung of political and social development even on a step by step basis.
How certain are you that the Human Mind is inferior and must behave like only animals in accepting the concept of the strongest ruling the pack through brute force only ?
The United Kingdom and USA is as much a melting pot of people from different societies and ethnicities, yet it is from a self-imposed democratic level playing field that allowed a society of non-homogeneous people to excel - so that the sum total intelligence of everyone is mobilised to propel the entire community forward.
Democracy passes the power to the masses, the people. It works better for a homogenuous population which a common identity. In singapore? it hardly works because we are barely less than 50 years old and our people are not homogenous, with cultures belonging to distant lands. people who advocates democracy for singapore are not thinkers, they are doing it for their own selfish desires, the desire to de-throne Lee family and P4P.
In such a non-homogeneous society as the UK and USA, if there is no idealism nor the concept of Democracy, the worst imagineable scenarious would have occurred, and some had occurred but nipped in the bud by an alert community that is determined to snuff out such extremities and radicalism.
Why should a 50 year old Singapore not be mature enough to practise democracy ?
Are you not half-way to the age of 50 years - perhaps at age 25, or more - at 35 or 45 ?
If you still consider yourself to be immature - you are perhaps the few over-sheltered Singaporeans still living with your parents and refusing to think or develop yourself independently.
Sadly, if you consider yourself to be immature at your age - with children calling you Daddy!! - how are you ever going about to be a morale guide to your children ?
Is it so selfish to have the desire to dethrone the Lees {Family ???} or the P4P, when they have displayed no qualms to protect their own selfish interests - at the expense of Singaporeans ?
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you must be out of your mind to compare singapore to the US. even so, USA is an ang moh country.Originally posted by Atobe:The USA is as much a melting pot of people from different societies and ethnicities, yet it is from as level playing field as is possible that allow a society of non-homogeneous people to excel - so that the sum total intelligence of everyone is mobilised to propel the entire community forward.
In such a non-homogeneous society as the USA, if there is no idealism nor the concept of Democracy, the worst imagineable scenarious would have occurred, and some had occurred but nipped in the bud by an alert community that is determined to snuff out radicalism.
Why should a 50 year old Singapore not be mature enough to practise democracy ?
Are you half-way to the age of 50 years old - at age 25 or more at 35 or 45 ?
If you still consider yourself to be immature - you are perhaps the few over-sheltered Singaporeans still living with your parents and refusing to thinkin and develop yourself independently.
Sadly, if you consider yourself to be immature at your age - with children calling you Daddy!! - how are you going about to be a morale guide to your children ?
Is it so selfish to have the desire to dethrone the Lees {Family ???} or the P4P, when they have displayed no qualms to protect their own selfish interests - at the expense of Singaporeans ?
Are you being realistic in your statement made so publicly ? -
Even if it was bought over by Khazanah, what protection is there to prevent monopoly powers from being exercised.Originally posted by will4:I thought read from somewhere that M1 shares has been bought by
Khazanah, the Malaysian equivalent of Temasek?
If Temasek, Keppel and SPH are still inside, they can tell Khazanah to maintain the price of mobile services so that the 3 mobile companies make supernormal profits.
Collusion to prevent oligopolistic competition can be tacit also. It makes it so much easier because the government has interest in all 3 companies.
If it is totally competitive, the 3 companies should all be private and the government should not have a share in it. -
Quite true especially Khazanah can only bought 30% stake in M1.Originally posted by maurizio13:Even if it was bought over by Khazanah, what protection is there to prevent monopoly powers from being exercised.
If Temasek, Keppel and SPH are still inside, they can tell Khazanah to maintain the price of mobile services so that the 3 mobile companies make supernormal profits.
Collusion to prevent oligopolistic competition can be tacit also. It makes it so much easier because the government has interest in all 3 companies.
If it is totally competitive, the 3 companies should all be private and the government should not have a share in it.
http://www.mas.gov.sg/news_room/statements/2005/Speech_by_Mr_Goh_Chok_Tong_at_Staff_Seminar_2005.html -
Sad to say that we have many no brainer inborn Singaporeans, perhaps a consequence of inbreeding. Perhaps that's the reason why the Singapore government has to import more foreign talents to crowd out these no brainers.Originally posted by Atobe:Anything that is beyond materialism will have to be idealistic.
If a Human has no idealism, the person is not better than the lowest species of being an animal.
Even in the animal world, within the different species - animals ''aspire'' to procreate their own lineage, and battle for supremacy of large territores.
For Humans, we should be better than heiraichical rule of the animal kingdom - in which the strongest rule the pack.
Idealism is an idea that one aspire to reach and to have, while the concept of Democracy has been developed since the period of ancient Greek history.
Is the idea of Democracy such an idealistic concept that cannot be attained - given the superior intelligence of the Human Kind that has evolved through the centuries ?
The intelligence of the Human Kind is a discerning one, able to move ahead or around obstacles - to reach the highest rung of political and social development even on a step by step basis.
The USA is as much a melting pot of people from different societies and ethnicities, yet it is from as level playing field as is possible that allow a society of non-homogeneous people to excel - so that the sum total intelligence of everyone is mobilised to propel the entire community forward.
In such a non-homogeneous society as the USA, if there is no idealism nor the concept of Democracy, the worst imagineable scenarious would have occurred, and some had occurred but nipped in the bud by an alert community that is determined to snuff out radicalism.
Why should a 50 year old Singapore not be mature enough to practise democracy ?
Are you half-way to the age of 50 years old - at age 25 or more at 35 or 45 ?
If you still consider yourself to be immature - you are perhaps the few over-sheltered Singaporeans still living with your parents and refusing to thinkin and develop yourself independently.
Sadly, if you consider yourself to be immature at your age - with children calling you Daddy!! - how are you going about to be a morale guide to your children ?
Is it so selfish to have the desire to dethrone the Lees {Family ???} or the P4P, when they have displayed no qualms to protect their own selfish interests - at the expense of Singaporeans ?
Are you being realistic in your statement made so publicly ?
Think I better go do some reading, talking to morons here is not going to be of any use to me in terms of personal development.
Enjoy smothering the imbeciles.
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Is USA a 100% 'ang moh' country ?Originally posted by Daddy!!:you must be out of your mind to compare singapore to the US. even so, USA is an ang moh country.
Is it entirely homogeneous - even if it 'ang moh' only ?
Perhaps you do not appreciate that an 'ang moh' German will never believe himself to be the same as an 'ang moh'Irish, or 'ang moh' English, or an 'ang-moh' French - and vice-versa/
Ethnic Composition.
The U.S. is a diverse society, both racially and ethnically. At the 2000 census, of those who identified themselves as belonging to a single race, 75.1% were whites; 12.3% were blacks; 3.7% were Asians, Native Hawaiians, or other Pacific Islanders; and 0.9% were American Indians or Alaska Natives. The remaining 8 percent were either of other races or identified themselves as multiracial. Among the more than 10.2 million Asians in the U.S., Chinese, Filipinos, and Asian Indians were the leading groups, together accounting for nearly three-fifths of the total. Hispanics (who may be of any race) comprised 12.5% of the total population. Among the nation's 35.3 million Latinos, 58.5% were Mexicans, 9.6% were Puerto Ricans, and 3.5% were Cubans.
According to the 2000 census, the largest white ethnic group, comprising about 46.5 million Americans, was partly or solely of German ancestry. Other reported ancestry groups included those who were either wholly or partly the following: Irish, 33 million; English, 28.3 million; Italian, 15.9 million; French or French Canadian, 12 million; Scottish or Scotch-Irish, 10.6 million; and Polish, 9.1 million. About 45 million Americans aged 5 or over in 2000 grew up in households in which a language other than English was spoken; in about three-fifths of these cases, the other language was Spanish.
During much of its history, the U.S. had an official policy of admitting more European immigrants than Asian, African, and Latin American immigrants. Changes were made in immigration policy during the 1970s that resulted in large numbers of non-European immigrants entering the country. As of 2000, according to census estimates, the U.S. foreign-born population numbered 30.5 million; of these, at least half were born in Latin America, and more than one-fourth were born in Asia. An unknown number of undocumented immigrants reside in the U.S., many of whom were not included in the 2000 census figures. Estimates by the Pew Hispanic Center indicate that more than 11 million unauthorized migrants were living in the U.S. in 2005 and that their numbers were increasing by more than 500,000 annually. More than half of the illegal immigrants were Mexicans, and nearly one-fourth came from other Latin American countries.
Am I out of my mind to compare Singapore with USA ?
Or is your mind too small that you cannot imagine this little red dot of four ethnic groups cannot practise democracy, when the gorrilla sized USA has been able to practise open and transparent democratic processes - even when the USA has more then a dozen over ethnic groups that make themselves less homogeneous, and with a population size that is 20 times larger then Singapore, and a bigger land mass to compare with ? -
i thought it was SPD.
Power ranger kena arrested -
Think I better go do some reading, talking to morons here is not going to be of any use to me in terms of personal development.
This lecture is a good read, you can try it:
Comparative National Cultures
by Dr Carroll Quigley
http://www.ndu.edu/library/ic3/L58-054.pdf
Information on Dr Carroll Quigley:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley