another ex-colleague has quitted singapore
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I've got family in three Australian cities. What makes you think you know more than me? Have you stayed there and not just for a holiday?Originally posted by strikefreedom:Like you said certain areas, but do you have any idea that in Aust, how many areas are prone to drug addicts, robber etc?
Have you encounter your house was broken in in broad daylight with the alarm sounding, yet no one or police take action?
Have you seen groups of drunkards walking down the streets and damaging properties, scratching the cars etc?
Money can be earn, life cannot be replaced. No doubt Aust is a good place, but nevertheless certain things are still more valuable compare to money.
Every nation has their seedy side, and that's the truth. But you could stop painting incidents like it's the broadsheet's glossy cover you know. -
Originally posted by CUM ON MY FACE:Quite true. They did not fit in their overseas community. That's the main concern that I've heard from my acquaintances who've gone back. Nonetheless, they are very much in the minority.
Most are happy to remain overseas. No doubt, the food ain't cheaper. But the salaries are definitely better. If you miss sg food, just go back for a holiday. Not only does your higher salary enable you to, but the exchange rate as well.
A recent case that I'd encountered was a colleague's friend who'd just emigrated. She was fed up with the stress, pressure, long hours, and less-than satisfactory pay in sg.
All the 'quitters' that I've met in these overseas places all speak of the sillyporean system with great disdain. Funny enough, these sillyporean work conditions do manifest themselves sometimes overseas, when you end up working for a sg/asian boss.
True, true. Only the minority I come across come back. This minority come back because of family commitment or can't find jobs there. On the whole, the vast majority don't want to come back. They rather pay high tax there than to come back here to face the PAP to be under their control.
Yeah, what I meant when I said 9 out of 10, that is based on me questioning people around and they said it is 9 out of 10 won't wanna come back. If people here are just so unhappy that I did not post any statistic to show, then too bad! Not everything must base on official statistics to tell people that this is fact and reality. -
Do you have statistics to prove this info you post?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Go walk around Pipit and St.Georges area at night, some areas of Chai Chee too. Am still waiting to see if they've cleaned up the area.
I've been around the vicinity before, and I can say the suburbs I've been in South Perth are far safer. -
It's simple for those interested to migrate. Leave your Singaporean mentality behind.
Integrate or you will be left behind. Same goes for migrants to Singapore.
Integrate with our culture, learn our ways or have a tough time. -
Walk the ground lah, lazy bugger.Originally posted by qlqq9:Do you have statistics to prove this info you post?
Stats this stats that, you think I'm a blardy Gazelle is it? -
its not about the money lar.. its about survival, and the need and comfort to relax and retire at some point, not work till you die..Originally posted by strikefreedom:Like you said certain areas, but do you have any idea that in Aust, how many areas are prone to drug addicts, robber etc?
Have you encounter your house was broken in in broad daylight with the alarm sounding, yet no one or police take action?
Have you seen groups of drunkards walking down the streets and damaging properties, scratching the cars etc?
Money can be earn, life cannot be replaced. No doubt Aust is a good place, but nevertheless certain things are still more valuable compare to money.
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hey, you supported GAzelle when he said I pluck figures from the sky, so I thought everything you wanna statistics, can't blame me.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Walk the ground lah, lazy bugger.
Stats this stats that, you think I'm a blardy Gazelle is it? -
Piang eh, what a miscomm.Originally posted by qlqq9:hey, you supported GAzelle when he said I pluck figures from the sky, so I thought everything you wanna statistics, can't blame me.
I said ditto as a comeback to him. Not at you.
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Different people go overseas permanently for different reasons. Vast majority or nearly all don't like the way PAP runs the country.Originally posted by 4getmenot:its not about the money lar.. its about survival, and the need and comfort to relax and retire at some point, not work till you die.. -
singapore good la, many pretty girls..
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lol i complete my education there so what you think? also i have friends all over aust and we keep in contact. i have alot of australian friends from different parts of australia so what you think?Originally posted by LazerLordz:I've got family in three Australian cities. What makes you think you know more than me? Have you stayed there and not just for a holiday?
Every nation has their seedy side, and that's the truth. But you could stop painting incidents like it's the broadsheet's glossy cover you know.
If the local australians also can say singapore is way safer then aust, what more there to proof? lol -
Yup yup i agree that why saving up to buy a house there for future retirement. But i do agree it best to get PR as a form of 2nd alternatives as a form of protection.Originally posted by 4getmenot:its not about the money lar.. its about survival, and the need and comfort to relax and retire at some point, not work till you die.. -
I'm not saying every part of a country is equally safe. Just trying to point out that Australia isn't as unsafe as people make it out to be.Originally posted by strikefreedom:lol i complete my education there so what you think? also i have friends all over aust and we keep in contact. i have alot of australian friends from different parts of australia so what you think?
If the local australians also can say singapore is way safer then aust, what more there to proof? lol -
ditto x2Originally posted by Gazelle:you plucking numbers from the sky? -
Originally posted by fishbuff:just got the news that another ex-colleague of mine is quitting SG and emigrate to australia.
I am curious how does one define "quitting" one's country of origin.
Does that include giving up citizenship, passport and total asset sell off?
Does your friend meet the above "pre-requisites"" to be considered as "quitting"? -
Nothing new. The FTs quit their own countries to come here too
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Wow selective quote ar? Well i think i have enough friends in more then 50% of the australia to stake my claim. So i am not saying it equally safe i am saying most are not as safe as singapore.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I'm not saying every part of a country is equally safe. Just trying to point out that Australia isn't as unsafe as people make it out to be. -
They complain about their own countries tooOriginally posted by SnowFlag:Nothing new. The FTs quit their own countries to come here too -
Originally posted by strikefreedom:Every countries have their own dirty linens. Just that they are still "new" to the new country they have yet to find out.
There no such things as totally good country loh gotta give and take lah. Those migrate to Australia, one thing for sure is they are trading a safer living place for a more crime prone living enviroment.
Anyway it their choice to stay or go, just don't regret nor blame others for their plight will do.
Aren't you contradicting yourself? On one hand, you're making a case that it's an individual's choice to "stay or go". Another post of yours then lists down all the terribly heinous crimes that seem to be an inescapable facet of Australian life which incidentally is blissfully absent in this regime?Originally posted by strikefreedom:Like you said certain areas, but do you have any idea that in Aust, how many areas are prone to drug addicts, robber etc?
Have you encounter your house was broken in in broad daylight with the alarm sounding, yet no one or police take action?
Have you seen groups of drunkards walking down the streets and damaging properties, scratching the cars etc?
Money can be earn, life cannot be replaced. No doubt Aust is a good place, but nevertheless certain things are still more valuable compare to money.
If safety were such an overriding concern of yours, why not emigrate to Antartica or North Korea? In either of these places, robbery and break-ins are unheard of and you need not worry about drunkards scratching your cars either. Mind, these places are also arguably two of the environmentally friendliest places on earth. -
i recall a ST article featured abt 3 yrs ago that interviewed pple who came back. they bold the title and highlighted the reasons for those who came back e.g. SG good, Aussie bad etc...then somewhere inconspicuous and buried among the many words, they admitted that only about 5 out of 1000 who migrated came back.Originally posted by Gazelle:you plucking numbers from the sky? -
Those few that came back probably can't survive in the real world, because they are incapable and extremely reliant. They have always relied on a nanny state for everything, same logic as taking a domesticated bird and setting it free in the wild, the domesticated bird will not survive too long in the wild.Originally posted by Lefleche:i recall a ST article featured abt 3 yrs ago that interviewed pple who came back. they bold the title and highlighted the reasons for those who came back e.g. SG good, Aussie bad etc...then somewhere inconspicuous and buried among the many words, they admitted that only about 5 out of 1000 who migrated came back.
Those that have not returned, are the majority who are independent and capable (higher tier in intelligence), they can adapt to the new outside environment without having a nanny state to tell them everything. That's why Singapore is suffering a brain drain, the smart leave, we replenish them with 3rd world citizens and those returning back to Singapore are the rejects that cannot make it in the real world. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:... same logic as taking a domesticated bird and setting it free in the wild, the domesticated bird will not survive too long in the wild...
Humans are not animals, much less domesticated or wild.
Technically speaking, it is very hard to define one as an "immigrant" in today's world of easy global access and travel. You can be in one far end of the world and still remain in contact with your place of origin. Everyone would like to have the best of both or more worlds according to their wish and desire.
That is possible today with all the technologies and unprecedented globalisation.
I want freedom, I want security, I hate NS, I love this or hate that....fact is there will always be trade-off and sacrifices to be made.
Depending on your drive and desire, with adequate education, financial power and opportunities, the world can be your playground or death trap.
There are pple who migrated with grand-ideas and dreams (not wrong), but ended with the ultimate sacrifice like depression and even suicide... and there are those who made in in tough place like Singapore.
So are these pple "domesticated" ? -
Originally posted by Gun:
Humans are not animals, much less domesticated or wild.
Technically speaking, it is very hard to define one as an "immigrant" in today's world of easy global access and travel. You can be in one far end of the world and still remain in contact with your place of origin. Everyone would like to have the best of both or more worlds according to their wish and desire.
That is possible today with all the technologies and unprecedented globalisation.
I want freedom, I want security, I hate NS, I love this or hate that....fact is there will always be trade-off and sacrifices to be made.
Depending on your drive and desire, with adequate education, financial power and opportunities, the world can be your playground or death trap.
There are pple who migrated with grand-ideas and dreams (not wrong), but ended with the ultimate sacrifice like depression and even suicide... and there are those who made in in tough place like Singapore.
So are these pple "domesticated" ?
Humans
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: H. sapiens
Subspecies: H. s. sapiens
If you so choose not to be classified under Animal Kingdom, you have 4 more choices under the British system of nomenclature, they are:
(Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, Bacteria)
Take your pick.
Do you prefer to be a plant, fungus, protist or bacteria?
All depends on your definition of immigrant, doesn't it.
The trade-off being a citizen in Singapore is just too great, limited freedom of expression, excessive indirect taxes, fines, fares and fees and pricey healthcare system.
Not forgetting that there are also those Singaporeans, that have smaller dreams than those that emigrated to other countries, they die too of depression from stress and resort to suicide on MRT tracks to end their life.
Like you said, Singapore is a tough place, which makes it more enticing to emigrate to other easier countries. -
Not contradicting cos overall on this migrating issue, i think it is not fair to bring down singapore and say another country is way better then here when they couldn't see the dirty linens of that country at all.Originally posted by walesa:Aren't you contradicting yourself? On one hand, you're making a case that it's an individual's choice to "stay or go". Another post of yours then lists down all the terribly heinous crimes that seem to be an inescapable facet of Australian life which incidentally is blissfully absent in this regime?
If safety were such an overriding concern of yours, why not emigrate to Antartica or North Korea? In either of these places, robbery and break-ins are unheard of and you need not worry about drunkards scratching your cars either. Mind, these places are also arguably two of the environmentally friendliest places on earth.
safety will defintely be a point i will take note no matter which place i have in mind to go to after all you do want to compromise your dear one lifes for some luxury. -
Australia Population 2007 estimate- 21 million
Singapore population estimate- 4.85 million
Almost 5 time more than singapore in population, So crime rate r magnify by 5 time lah. Furthermore, they r not rule by family business