another ex-colleague has quitted singapore
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One bowl of wantan mee NOW in Serangoon coffee shops cost S$2.50, S$4.00 in Foodcourt, A$6.00 (S$7.56) in Perth. What would it be in the future?Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:you have 3 only, i have at least 5 friends or colleagues migrate to other countries...
the last word they give to their fellow s'porean is "wish you all good luck. hope you all can survive to the next generation
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OMG
under current PAP, i think one bowl of wantan mee will cost 10 dollars in future... why? globalization... and they don't care whether you survive or not... they only want competitive salary package...
A friend migrated to Melbourne, we wished each other all the best. 17 months latter, they came back, cannot tahan the rising cost due to rising A$, the weather change over the last one year, there is even restriction on use of water. Fortunately they never wished we all can survive to the next generation....
To each his own, my friend, it is always wise to listen to both sides of the story and do your calculation properly. Just one thing you need to know, you don't have to like the PAP to live in Singapore. -
Do you know what is RATE?Originally posted by sunnytv:Australia Population 2007 estimate- 21 million
Singapore population estimate- 4.85 million
Almost 5 time more than singapore in population, So crime rate r magnify by 5 time lah
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Generall speaking there r plenty of locals who have migrated to Australia or other developed countries but ST has failed to highlight why people chose
to migrate despite this little red dot is a nice country to live in. -
a) WeatherOriginally posted by will4:Generall speaking there r plenty of locals who have migrated to Australia or other developed countries but ST has failed to highlight why people chose
to migrate despite this little red dot is a nice country to live in.
b) Exploring new opportunities
c) Got conned by others thinking grass will be greener on the other side
d) Got posted by companies
e) Overseas education
f) You are a SPG
g) want to experience western cultures -
i am in the IT industry for 15 years, with employment as senior oracle database consultant with NCS and other companies. and i can tell u, the competition of jobs is getting increasingly difficult by the day. the odds are on me, the older singaporean side.
altogether, there are 3 other singaporean guys that i had the chance to meet up with;
- a businessman (this guy been thru alot of hell here.. but he is still sticking to his guns about staying here. kinda funny that he want his son to go back to serve NS!!)
- my ex-bishan neighbour here! working in a local QLD govt company.
- an ex-EDB former executive that just arrived here. still looking for jobs.
Singapore is an advance country in term of technology and infrastructure but the singapoer that i grew up with has changed so much over the years. it is like u married a woman that u love and 20 years down the road, she became selfish, vain, uncarring, money minded etc... not like that woman that u loved when u first got married. -
The one I thing I know that is cheap in Australia is pet food. And if you are not living in Asian community, you can get the fish head for free.Originally posted by fishbuff:AUD$6.50 at toowong shopping centre. but the meatball is frigging huge! -
I don't know about Aust, but if you compare outside food in Germany, the following is what I have noticed:
1) The price is definitely much higher. However, the amount of meat is also much higher.
2) The outside price is about same price as, or even cheaper than, Jack's Place in Singapore (which is already much higher than food court). However, the portions are larger. Hence, eating out is actually cheaper than in Singapore if you like western food or lots of meat.
3) Most cheaper food in Singapore are mainly a source of carbs and trans-fats. Not exactly a very healthy diet.
In addition, supermarket prices of food stuff (meat, dairy products) are mostly the same, if not cheaper, than in Singapore. Only the vegetables are sometimes twice as expensive => which is still at a rather low price as compared to the meat and other things that you would buy. -
How come you didnt talk about seafood?Originally posted by eagle:I don't know about Aust, but if you compare outside food in Germany, the following is what I have noticed:
1) The price is definitely much higher. However, the amount of meat is also much higher.
2) The outside price is about same price as, or even cheaper than, Jack's Place in Singapore (which is already much higher than food court). However, the portions are larger. Hence, eating out is actually cheaper than in Singapore if you like western food or lots of meat.
3) Most cheaper food in Singapore are mainly a source of carbs and trans-fats. Not exactly a very healthy diet.
In addition, supermarket prices of food stuff (meat, dairy products) are mostly the same, if not cheaper, than in Singapore. Only the vegetables are sometimes twice as expensive => which is still at a rather low price as compared to the meat and other things that you would buy. -
TS post doesnt make much sense?
is your friend working for the govt? thats only one side of the picture and really, how much credence will you give a person stuck in civil service?
the bulk of the smart people are all out in the private sector earning big bucks. further more, our private sector has always dealt with internationalized business sense and is in no way dominated by local aspects.
i laugh at the poor fella in aus right now. we see a lot of aus expats who see aus as not competitive enough for the world see and come to singapore for better opportunities to enrich themselves.
if you are heading to aus for retirement fair enough. but moving to aus as such a young age only speaks of laziness and lack of drive to succeed.
we're better off without such slackers, thank you very much. -
a) The weater is nicer in other developed countries but come winter it can beOriginally posted by Gazelle:a) Weather
b) Exploring new opportunities
c) Got conned by others thinking grass will be greener on the other side
d) Got posted by companies
e) Overseas education
f) You are a SPG
g) want to experience western cultures
troublesome wearing thick layer of clothes.
b) Opportunities depend on what kind.
c) Some Indonesian after May 1998 riots went to migrate to other countries
reluctantly for the time being to avoid political turbulence n after years there, they came back after finding out the cost of living can be too much.
d) They might not want to go but due to company's order, no choice unless the person chose to quit the work. I read of one local joker posted to Korea a country which is on par with here, hated the culure by complaining to ST that Korean men like to drink soju, a kind of alcholic drink, after work. I wonder if he ever seen local coffeeshop at night with locals drinking beer. -
$10 is just an example... how cheap can s'pore food be? it's getting more and more expensive no matter how kamlan you areOriginally posted by Gazelle:if you kamlan want to pay $10 for fried rice in Singapore who are you going to blame?
My guess that you have not even been to australia before or else you wont be telling us that eating out in Australia is cheap. btw, who says eating out in australia is cheap??? are you dreaming -
i think your reasoning more sound...Originally posted by sgdiehard:One bowl of wantan mee NOW in Serangoon coffee shops cost S$2.50, S$4.00 in Foodcourt, A$6.00 (S$7.56) in Perth. What would it be in the future?
A friend migrated to Melbourne, we wished each other all the best. 17 months latter, they came back, cannot tahan the rising cost due to rising A$, the weather change over the last one year, there is even restriction on use of water. Fortunately they never wished we all can survive to the next generation....
To each his own, my friend, it is always wise to listen to both sides of the story and do your calculation properly. Just one thing you need to know, you don't have to like the PAP to live in Singapore.
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A lot of Australian professional meaning how many? Why u do u define young local who migrated to Australia at a young age as lacking the drive to suceed?Originally posted by pwnz0r:TS post doesnt make much sense?
is your friend working for the govt? thats only one side of the picture and really, how much credence will you give a person stuck in civil service?
the bulk of the smart people are all out in the private sector earning big bucks. further more, our private sector has always dealt with internationalized business sense and is in no way dominated by local aspects.
i laugh at the poor fella in aus right now. we see a lot of aus expats who see aus as not competitive enough for the world see and come to singapore for better opportunities to enrich themselves.
if you are heading to aus for retirement fair enough. but moving to aus as such a young age only speaks of laziness and lack of drive to succeed.
we're better off without such slackers, thank you very much.
To each of his own. -
yup, salmon is 2.69 euros for 250g in GermanyOriginally posted by Gazelle:How come you didnt talk about seafood?
salmon is 30 sgd per kg in cold storage in Singapore
you can do the calculations
In addition, seafood is cheaper if you stay at Hamburg in Germany. And of course, prawns are expensive there. -
Just to add on, maintaining a car (petrol, parking, etc) is extremely expensive in Germany. However, the public transport system there is so good (99% will come within 5 mins of the designated timing) that there almost no need to drive a car. You can literally plan a journey from the time you leave your house to the time you will return, all within 5 mins.
Bad thing is, if you screw up your own timing by 5 mins, you will miss all the planned trips -
$10 is not an example, it is an overly inflated example because I can easily get fried rice for half the price.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:$10 is just an example... how cheap can s'pore food be? it's getting more and more expensive no matter how kamlan you are btw, who says eating out in australia is cheap??? are you dreaming
My guess is that you think inflation is a Singapore problem and it is not happening in Australia.
I guess you are also not aware of the impact of global warming on the farmers in australia huh? -
I dont think it is fair to compare salmon and coldstorage.Originally posted by eagle:yup, salmon is 2.69 euros for 250g in Germany
salmon is 30 sgd per kg in cold storage in Singapore
you can do the calculations
In addition, seafood is cheaper if you stay at Hamburg in Germany. And of course, prawns are expensive there.
a) Salmon are not breed in this region and they are usually airflown into Singapore.
b) Cold Storage is a highend supermarket.
Seafood in germany is only reasonably cheap and fresh if you are living in near the coaster region. -
have you worked in aus before? have you see their work ethic? have you seen their level of self satisfaction?Originally posted by will4:A lot of Australian professional meaning how many? Why u do u define young local who migrated to Australia at a young age as lacking the drive to suceed?
To each of his own.
aus is a happily a self contained economy with little participation on the global scale. other than rupert murdoch (who in fact is more of a american business man), we don't see much enterprising individuals who push the envelope.
if you really want to see real drive, go to new york. i applaud people who seek careers in china, in us, in uk, in japan.. these are people who 'quit' singapore in that singapore is not competitive enough for them. but aus? laugh! -
No, never studied or work in Australia but the main crux of the Australian immigration, why do locals of all countries prefer to choose Australia asOriginally posted by pwnz0r:have you worked in aus before? have you see their work ethic? have you seen their level of self satisfaction?
aus is a happily a self contained economy with little participation on the global scale. other than rupert murdoch (who in fact is more of a american business man), we don't see much enterprising individuals who push the envelope.
if you really want to see real drive, go to new york. i applaud people who seek careers in china, in us, in uk, in japan.. these are people who 'quit' singapore in that singapore is not competitive enough for them. but aus? laugh!
their immigration destination? Have u ever worked in US, UK, China or Japan?
NY, can understand is the major global financial centre of US. China still a developing country even some of the local businessmen who went to China to set up companies ended up getting cheated. Remember Suzhou? -
it is interesting to read all of your inputs here.
but what im sharing is generally from the point of a 40 years old guy. Not sure how many of you here are over 35, hold on to a private low-middle income job, have a family to support, mortgage to pay off etc. until then, u are quite comfortable living day to day with min liabilities. -
if you want all that is cheaper, here:Originally posted by Gazelle:I dont think it is fair to compare salmon and coldstorage.
a) Salmon are not breed in this region and they are usually airflown into Singapore.
b) Cold Storage is a highend supermarket.
Seafood in germany is only reasonably cheap and fresh if you are living in near the coaster region.
1) Alaskan Seelachs fillet
2) fish fingers
3) Salmon
4) Tuna -- same price
This is price not from coastal side. Furthermore, I don't go and look through every single food; I only bother to notice those that I buy.
But how often do you really eat other seafood in Singapore, for eg prawns, crabs, etc... I don't eat it often, or almost don't... I have no cravings for them...
In addition, there are so much more variety of meat in the german supermarkets such that you don't need to eat seafood. Dairy, ham, pork (all parts), turkey, chicken, all are either cheaper or same price. They don't have duck only.
Oh ya, eggs are also at sgd $1.50 for 10 eggs (lower cholesterol ones) over there. -
Which is the difference he was pointing out isnt it? He was comparing Germany. Asian foods/groceries will be expensive in western countries and vice versa. But its is true that local foods tend to be carb laden. Especially when you take a typical meal and a hawker center, the carb to meat ratio very different from what you get in for example, Germany. Seafoods are cheaper in coastal areas wherever you go, regardless of country, so that is a common denominator is it not?Originally posted by Gazelle:I dont think it is fair to compare salmon and coldstorage.
a) Salmon are not breed in this region and they are usually airflown into Singapore.
b) Cold Storage is a highend supermarket.
Seafood in germany is only reasonably cheap and fresh if you are living in near the coaster region. -
It all comes down to a personal value system, and whether you are able to migrate or not.
Consumer prices will continue to rise on a slightly steeper trend than other nations with a higher degree of self sufficiency. (e.g. have to buy sand and water). You can bite the bullet or pack up and go.
Many people prefer the western culture, where life/culture is pro family. Some prefer the buzz and faster paced local culture. I kow for fact, in Australia, in companies run by Australians, the general attitude is, at 6pm your boss will tell you to go home and have a life.
Just for an example to illustrate the difference in culture:
Its like a worker has to watch his kid's soccer game at school. He skipped work for a few hours on tuesday afternoon. A project dateline a week later, was delayed maybe a day or 2.
The boss can react in 1 of 2 ways
1 "Why weren't you at work tuesday afternoon? Is your son's soccer game that impt?"
2 "Why the project had to be delayed? How did your son do at the game btw"
Reaction 1 would probably be what you get here in SG. Although that may be changing.
of course there are other factors to consider, this is just an illustration.
Working culture aside, PRs and Citizens get preferential treatment in terms of employment. Meaning, a company has to justify to the government that it cannot find a Citizen or PR to do the job, before approval to hire a foreigner.
It also comes down to effort put into work vs creature comforts. Some poeple may think, "I live in a cosmopolitan city/nation, why do I still have the rice-bowl mentality?" I remember a loacl bank using a golden rice bowl in a current ad poster.
Sure there is always a sacrifice or a down side to uprooting and moving on to another nation. Then again, if the benefits out weigh the downside, and there are work-arounds (e.g. avoid highly crime prone areas). many would think, why not move? -
IMO that is not a fair comparison because you are comparing the price of buying German stable food in Singapore vs buying them in Germany.Originally posted by eagle:if you want all that is cheaper, here:
1) Alaskan Seelachs fillet
2) fish fingers
3) Salmon
4) Tuna -- same price
This is price not from coastal side. Furthermore, I don't go and look through every single food; I only bother to notice those that I buy.
But how often do you really eat other seafood in Singapore, for eg prawns, crabs, etc... I don't eat it often, or almost don't... I have no cravings for them...
In addition, there are so much more variety of meat in the german supermarkets such that you don't need to eat seafood. Dairy, ham, pork (all parts), turkey, chicken, all are either cheaper or same price. They don't have duck only.
Oh ya, eggs are also at sgd $1.50 for 10 eggs (lower cholesterol ones) over there.
Will you be able to tell us how much will it cost to buy e.g.
1) Kailan (Veg)
2) Red Snapper
3) Thai Rice
4) Egg noodle or instand noodle
5) Tropical fruits.
6) Toufu
7) Ikan Bilis -
Originally posted by Gazelle:IMO that is not a fair comparison because you are comparing the price of buying German stable food in Singapore vs buying them in Germany.
Will you be able to tell us how much will it cost to buy e.g.
1) Kailan (Veg)
2) Red Snapper
3) Thai Rice
4) Egg noodle or instand noodle
5) Tropical fruits.
6) Toufu
7) Ikan BilisOriginally posted by Jontst78:Which is the difference he was pointing out isnt it? He was comparing Germany. Asian foods/groceries will be expensive in western countries and vice versa. But its is true that local foods tend to be carb laden. Especially when you take a typical meal and a hawker center, the carb to meat ratio very different from what you get in for example, Germany. Seafoods are cheaper in coastal areas wherever you go, regardless of country, so that is a common denominator is it not?