another ex-colleague has quitted singapore
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On a sidenote,
If anyone is looking to go to Australia.
Finding a job there first and then applying PR in Australia is not the way to go. Or rather not the recommended way to go, unless you have substantial savings to last you at least half a year of unemployment while job hunting there.
Its a labor law there, that an employer must give jobs first to citizens and PRs, only after being unable to find suitable person for some time, then they(the employer) can justify to the government, to permit hiring a foreigner.
The recommended way to go is to apply for PR here. Do the points test, if you think you qualify, try for an application. Do this while in Singapore. You can get it approved and receive it while being in Singapore the whole time.
http://www.immi.gov.au
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/visa-options-495.htm
Skilled Occupation List (SOL), Sydney and Selected Areas Skill Shortage List (SSASSL)
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf
Alternatively, you can use an agent. Dun get conned tho. Dun go to an agent that ask for more than 4k (excl govt fees). And go to one that is registered with the Australian immigration authority. Usually you will get a free initial consultation to check your eligibility.
Total legal and Govt fees, incl medical checks and english exam is around a little under 4k SGD. If you get an Agent, around 3k, total cost is around 7k give or take a little.
There are agents will refund 50%(or some) agent fees if your app is not approved (not due to paper work error on part of the agent). If agent makes error, full refund.
Basically, certified technical and skilled people will get a rather high advantage. Eg plumbers, carpenter, civil engineers, IT professions, nurses, doctors, accountants, electricians.
My uncle who is a citizen in Sydney would say, "if you are a plumber, electrician or carpenter, you walk in" but thats a slight exaggration of course. -
But then, when you start to compare meal quality vs Dollar ratio, it all becomes very subjective doesn't it? Dependent on the person's preference.Originally posted by Gazelle:IMO that is not a fair comparison because you are comparing the price of buying German stable food in Singapore vs buying them in Germany.
Will you be able to tell us how much will it cost to buy e.g.
1) Kailan (Veg)
2) Red Snapper
3) Thai Rice
4) Egg noodle or instand noodle
5) Tropical fruits.
6) Toufu
7) Ikan Bilis
Or looking at the broader picture, when you compare Work effort to Quality of life level in return, just as subjective isn't it? It all comes down to what makes one a happier person overall. -
Ofcourse, just like if we starts to compare VAT and income tax.Originally posted by Jontst78:But then, when you start to compare meal quality vs Dollar ratio, it all becomes very subjective doesn't it? Dependent on the person's preference.
Or looking at the broader picture, when you compare Work effort to Quality of life level in return, just as subjective isn't it? It all comes down to what makes one a happier person overall. -
Oh ya, one more point,Originally posted by Gazelle:Ofcourse, just like if we starts to compare VAT and income tax.
GST is 19% in Germany I think. However, the unemployed gets 300 euros every month from the government.
Btw, I'm only listing facts for everyone. What conclusion you want to derive from these facts does not matter to me.
If you realise for my first post, eggs, chicken etc can all be gotten at places near Sg, and also from places near and within Germany. Germany import salmon from Norway, Singapore can have their own salmon or import from Japan.
Why would anyone in the right mind go compare things like kailan in Germany?
It is just like comparing the price of things like protein powder (produced only in US) between US and Singapore. -
Yup, if we compare just VAT and income tax, without looking at average wage/profession and compare both places (job A in SG vs same job in Aust), again, we will be guilty of skewing information. And then, if we want to look at wages, then we have to again look at the general overall cost of living (with creature comforts. Coz we are 1st world right?).Originally posted by Gazelle:Ofcourse, just like if we starts to compare VAT and income tax.
If we start splitting hairs over details, we loose the whole point of the debate, as migration decisions are usually based on the totality of factors combined. -
Isnt that the same as comparing price of salmon in Singapore and germany?Originally posted by eagle:Why would anyone in the right mind go compare things like kailan in Germany? It is just like comparing the price of things like protein powder (produced only in US) between US and Singapore.
why not Red Snapper?
the only difference of course is that Singapore has wider variety of food. -
yes, at thats why we should just focus on the price of food first before talking about quality of life etc...Originally posted by Jontst78:Yup, if we compare just VAT and income tax, without looking at average wage/profession and compare both places (job A in SG vs same job in Aust), again, we will be guilty of skewing information. And then, if we want to look at wages, then we have to again look at the general overall cost of living (with creature comforts. Coz we are 1st world right?).
If we start splitting hairs over details, we loose the whole point of the debate, as migration decisions are usually based on the totality of factors combined. -
And why not talk about the quality of life in general? Of which, food is just one of the many subsets.Originally posted by Gazelle:yes, at thats why we should just focus on the price of food and not talk about quality of life etc... -
because you have join the discussion without knowing what we were discussing in the first place.Originally posted by Jontst78:And why not? -
Why no one pointed out the fact that people in western countries earn the same numerical amount in salary, but in euros?Originally posted by Jontst78:Yup, if we compare just VAT and income tax, without looking at average wage/profession and compare both places (job A in SG vs same job in Aust), again, we will be guilty of skewing information. And then, if we want to look at wages, then we have to again look at the general overall cost of living (with creature comforts. Coz we are 1st world right?).
If we start splitting hairs over details, we loose the whole point of the debate, as migration decisions are usually based on the totality of factors combined.
Things are already cheaper after the conversion rate. Salary will then be considered doubled after conversion rate. Overall, life is actually much less stressful, and possibly cheaper, if you work and live overseas. (Added info, Germany's economy is 3rd largest in the world).
However, there is still something unexplained that make me want to stay in Singapore, and it is definitely not because of the costs of anything. -
Isn't this thread about someone deciding to migrate?Originally posted by Gazelle:because you have join the discussion without knowing what we were discussing in the first place. -
I have already pointed out why I used salmon as an example.Originally posted by Gazelle:Isnt that the same as comparing price of salmon in Singapore and germany?
why not Red Snapper?
the only difference of course is that Singapore has wider variety of food.
Compare the proximity between SG and Japan vs Germany and Norway -
well, the problem is you want to start comparing on food unique to a region. And when you want to migrate, of course it would be best to 'migrate' your food preferences to the local staple food. Any food from your previous region would be a delicacy in your newly adopted country.Originally posted by Gazelle:yes, at thats why we should just focus on the price of food first before talking about quality of life etc... -
1) I think you have to learn understand that Salmon is not a stable food in Singapore and they are more commonly consumed in Japanese restaurantOriginally posted by eagle:I have already pointed out why I used salmon as an example.
Compare the proximity between SG and Japan vs Germany and Norway
2) Distant between Singapore and Japan is about 5000km while distant between Germany and Norway is about 500km. -
1) You have to understand that salmon is also not a staple food in Germany. I just want to eat it there because it is cheaper.Originally posted by Gazelle:1) I think you have to learn understand that Salmon is not a stable food in Singapore and they are more commonly consumed in Japanese restaurant
2) Distant between Singapore and Japan is about 5000km while distant between Germany and Norway is about 500km.
2) Agreed. However, you will need to take into account the higher transport and packing costs in Europe per km.
Salmon may not be a good example, but it seems like you would only bother to harp on this not-so-good example than all the many other points that I have raised -
excellent insight.Originally posted by Jontst78:On a sidenote,
If anyone is looking to go to Australia.
Finding a job there first and then applying PR in Australia is not the way to go. Or rather not the recommended way to go, unless you have substantial savings to last you at least half a year of unemployment while job hunting there.
Its a labor law there, that an employer must give jobs first to citizens and PRs, only after being unable to find suitable person for some time, then they(the employer) can justify to the government, to permit hiring a foreigner.
The recommended way to go is to apply for PR here. Do the points test, if you think you qualify, try for an application. Do this while in Singapore. You can get it approved and receive it while being in Singapore the whole time.
http://www.immi.gov.au
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/visa-options-495.htm
Skilled Occupation List (SOL), Sydney and Selected Areas Skill Shortage List (SSASSL)
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf
Alternatively, you can use an agent. Dun get conned tho. Dun go to an agent that ask for more than 4k (excl govt fees). And go to one that is registered with the Australian immigration authority. Usually you will get a free initial consultation to check your eligibility.
Total legal and Govt fees, incl medical checks and english exam is around a little under 4k SGD. If you get an Agent, around 3k, total cost is around 7k give or take a little.
There are agents will refund 50%(or some) agent fees if your app is not approved (not due to paper work error on part of the agent). If agent makes error, full refund.
Basically, certified technical and skilled people will get a rather high advantage. Eg plumbers, carpenter, civil engineers, IT professions, nurses, doctors, accountants, electricians.
My uncle who is a citizen in Sydney would say, "if you are a plumber, electrician or carpenter, you walk in" but thats a slight exaggration of course.
i had been in the IT industry for past 15 years and year by year, i can see more and more FTs coming in to replace singaporeans. and it is harder to find IT jobs especially when im hitting 40 and the playing field in the IT industry is not on the singaporean's side. especially when Govt policies and industrial demands are stacking the odds against singaporean IT professionals.
situations compelled me to move on rather than to wait die here. -
I am not sure which you get the impression that Singapore Salmon comes from Japan and do you actually believe that the cost of packing and transportation in Japan is cheaper than Germany?Originally posted by eagle:1) You have to understand that salmon is also not a staple food in Germany. I just want to eat it there because it is cheaper.
2) Agreed. However, you will need to take into account the higher transport and packing costs in Europe per km.
Salmon may not be a good example, but it seems like you would only bother to harp on this not-so-good example than all the many other points that I have raised
Yes, your example is not a good indication that price of food in Germany is cheaper than Singapore. -
Yet price of dairy products in Germany, turkey, pork, chicken, eggs are all cheaper.Originally posted by Gazelle:I am not sure which you get the impression that Singapore Salmon comes from Japan and do you actually believe that the cost of packing and transportation in Germany is cheaper than Japan?
Yes, your example is not a good indication that price of food in Germany is cheaper than Singapore.
Don't tell me you don't eat any chicken, pork, eggs or dairy products in Singapore -
I'm also not sure how you would decide to suddenly compare food such asOriginally posted by Gazelle:I am not sure which you get the impression that Singapore Salmon comes from Japan and do you actually believe that the cost of packing and transportation in Japan is cheaper than Germany?
Yes, your example is not a good indication that price of food in Germany is cheaper than Singapore.
1) Kailan (Veg)
2) Red Snapper
3) Thai Rice
4) Egg noodle or instand noodle
5) Tropical fruits.
6) Toufu
7) Ikan Bilis
in western country -
1) Are you aware that EU government is spending billion of dollars a year on farm aid? And guess who is paying for the aid?Originally posted by eagle:Yet price of dairy products in Germany, turkey, pork, chicken, eggs are all cheaper.
Don't tell me you don't eat any chicken, pork, eggs or dairy products in Singapore
2) If you say that they are cheaper in Germany, care to give us some indicative after tax prices -
I have my SUN.
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if you want to compare price of staple food, these is our staple food.Originally posted by eagle:I'm also not sure how you would decide to suddenly compare food such as
1) Kailan (Veg)
2) Red Snapper
3) Thai Rice
4) Egg noodle or instand noodle
5) Tropical fruits.
6) Toufu
7) Ikan Bilis
in western country
sorry hor, over in Singapore, we dont like to eat turkey and most people dont like to eat salmon either. -
Forget about arguing with that bugger. He just simply want to prove that singapore is better than other countries, instead proving any constructive ideas. See his post in SC and u will knowOriginally posted by eagle:I'm also not sure how you would decide to suddenly compare food such as
1) Kailan (Veg)
2) Red Snapper
3) Thai Rice
4) Egg noodle or instand noodle
5) Tropical fruits.
6) Toufu
7) Ikan Bilis
in western country -
I have my SUN.
shiok.
I have my MONEY.
shiok.
I have my HOUSES.
shiok.
I have my WIFE and CHILDREN.
shiok.
I have my LHL and his PAP.
shiok. -
some people are born to be a sheep, they will believe whatever people say without asking themselves if it is true.Originally posted by SpeedStar:Forget about arguing with that bugger. He just simply want to prove that singapore is better than other countries, instead proving any constructive ideas. See his post in SC and u will know