another ex-colleague has quitted singapore
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An Asian in Australia is a GLOBAL 4th Class Citizen.
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
How do u know?
[b] An Asian in Australia is a GLOBAL 4th Class Citizen.[/b] -
No idea but it is not small. There has never been a week in Australia that I don't hear a Singaporean speaking at the mall, even in dear Canberra. Singlish sticks out.Originally posted by will4:What is the population of the Sporen community in Australia? -
There are pros and cons in every country in this world. In Singapore, we think that the weather in western countries are good (nice cool weather, nice humidity, etc).Originally posted by reddressman:Since you say this.
I also happen to know quite many who have recently started the process to withdrawn their CPF entirely, pre-retirement.
These are 2 highly experienced doctors who brought away with them human capital of their children. As docs , they have many children becos they could afford it.
Now, both docs are in a very nice place. A huge mansion with many real nice views. No longkangs whatsoever kind of views.
Last year, a young white collar acquaintance also started the withdraw cpf
process with his wife. They now also enjoying sceneries and weather that money , no matter how much, cannot buy. For example, can you turn a humid place into not-as-humid? even if you are Billy the Gate, money cannot buy you better humidity. Not to say wonders that nature has to offer. Reasons why people spend thousands every year and risk lives taking the plane just to grab a few breath of this nature's fresh air. I mean people going on vacation lah.
So, enjoy lah.
However, people in western countries think Singapore is good (forever summer, etc).
The pastures in another place always seem greener.
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He probably got kicked out of Australia for some misdemeanor hence that view.Originally posted by will4:How do u know? -
An Australian white is English's 2nd class and an Australian asian is an Australian white's 2nd class.Originally posted by will4:How do u know?
An English is an American's 2nd class. Add them up, an Australian Asian is Global 4th Class.
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Speaking about the immigration to Australia, the changes to the CPF which forced local to buy annuity until 85 will might cause more local to give upOriginally posted by fymk:No idea but it is not small. There has never been a week in Australia that I don't hear a Singaporean speaking at the mall, even in dear Canberra. Singlish sticks out.
their local citizenship, Spore PR also not spared. -
Australia is a Sh.it hole i'll never step into and it is a piece of pandang cake as far as i am concerned.Originally posted by fymk:He probably got kicked out of Australia for some misdemeanor hence that view. -
Singapore has alot of good things about her but the government is not too focused on its citizens.Originally posted by eagle:There are pros and cons in every country in this world. In Singapore, we think that the weather in western countries are good (nice cool weather, nice humidity, etc).
However, people in western countries think Singapore is good (forever summer, etc).
The pastures in another place always seem greener. -
Nobody is pointing a gun at you and forcing you to migrate. And even if you want to come in ,I doubt that they will take you in.Originally posted by Daddy!!:Australia is a Sh.it hole i'll never step into and it is a piece of pandang cake as far as i am concerned. -
just for the 2nd part of this statement, u could be sued till you are bankrupt.Originally posted by fymk:Singapore has alot of good things about her but the government is not too focused on its citizens.
Just say citizens like us don't have the feeling that the government focuses on us. Like that they cannot sue u on feelings -
Annuity has its own advantages but also disadvantages.Originally posted by will4:Speaking about the immigration to Australia, the changes to the CPF which forced local to buy annuity until 85 will might cause more local to give up
their local citizenship, Spore PR also not spared. -
who do you think you are?Originally posted by fymk:Nobody is pointing a gun at you and forcing you to migrate. And even if you want to come in ,I doubt that they will take you in. -
LOL .Originally posted by eagle:just for the 2nd part of this statement, u could be sued till you are bankrupt.
Just say citizens like us don't have the feeling that the government focuses on us. Like that they cannot sue u on feelings
Ai ya , who cares. Either way implied meaning and they still can sue. -
Why do you care then? Didn't you say you are not stepping into Australia?Originally posted by Daddy!!:who do you think you are? -
This is the most accurate description of the mindset of these people.Originally posted by eagle:whether people migrate a not, it is ultimately their decision. However, for people who migrated to send complains of Singapore back to Singapore, it is to me
1) a sign of mocking of people who want to stay here
2) a sign that they are rich enough to migrate
3) a sign that they are trying to justify their own actions, both to others and most importantly, to themselves
This is the fairest and most neutral statement in the debate of migration. Bravo! clap clap clap.Originally posted by eagle:For me, my stand is neutral. I would base my calculations and conclusions on hard facts then on opinions. No matter how much I proclaim that the living standards are higher in Germany, there are certain things that you cannot really calculate, for eg, whether you can merge into the society, whether you will be despised, your friends, family, children, etc.... There are still many unexpected and intangible factors around -
Boss.. if u are reading this.... pls dun fired mi hor....i dun wan to pay CPF ar..
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my Prime Minister is an Asian and I am happy to pay him S$ millions. -
Have you even been there? No? Well then how the f*ck would you know? Dumb cunt.Originally posted by Daddy!!:Australia is a Sh.it hole i'll never step into and it is a piece of pandang cake as far as i am concerned. -
Frankly, would Asians go there if the Ang Mos did not go and set up the place?
Before the English, Indonesians have visited the continent. Maybe the Chinese even. There is nothing there but aborigines and kangaroos. Asians go for settlements. The white man set up settlements there and grew. Then only the Asians want to go there. Honestly, parasiting on the white man's initiative.
Would any Singaporean want go to Sudan?
Yes, only after the white man have worked the place into a thriving country.
Adm Cheng Ho reportedly was the first seafarer to reach America. He probably saw nothing but rocks, savages and wild horses in what is California, and turned back. -
isn't Global 4th Class not S.hit enough for an Asian?Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Have you even been there? No? Well then how the f*ck would you know? Dumb cunt. -
Thx 4 the advice dude...Originally posted by fymk:Make yourself mobile globally. However you have to be prepared to adapt and start from square 1.
Another thing for what's it is worth - prepare for the culture shock - people here are very vocal. Alot of things function differently . When it is your credit , don't let others take it. The first two years are the hardest imho because you are struggling to find your base and adapt. .
Find support with friends you already know but don't just stay within the Singaporean community because you will be isolating yourself from their culture. Join your colleagues for afterwork drinks - that is the best way of networking . And their weddings are fun - almost everyone gets drunk cept for the designated drivers who look very pissed off because they can't drink.
Don't think life is laid back all the time in Australia - alot of people have the misconception that working in Australia is laid back. It is yet it is not . People here tend to be laid back when they can but when it comes to the crunch , some work 7 day weeks sometimes to meet deadlines.
It'll definately come in handy
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That's a well-reasoned post. However, wouldn't 1) and 3) also apply to those who insist that people who have migrated have made a mistake?Originally posted by eagle:whether people migrate a not, it is ultimately their decision. However, for people who migrated to send complains of Singapore back to Singapore, it is to me
1) a sign of mocking of people who want to stay here
2) a sign that they are rich enough to migrate
3) a sign that they are trying to justify their own actions, both to others and most importantly, to themselves
Of course, they may have valid reasons, or have done substantial analysis and calculations for their decision.
For me, my stand is neutral. I would base my calculations and conclusions on hard facts then on opinions. No matter how much I proclaim that the living standards are higher in Germany, there are certain things that you cannot really calculate, for eg, whether you can merge into the society, whether you will be despised, your friends, family, children, etc.... There are still many unexpected and intangible factors around
It all comes down to a matter of each person's priorities. If somebody's perfectly happy staying in Singapore, or if somebody's perfectly happy staying somewhere else, what business does anybody have telling him that he's wrong?
On the other hand, going back to the original thread, choosing to leave Singapore simply because one does not like it there (or conversely to stay simply because some other country has an undesirable characteristic) is not an entirely rational act - after all, what's to say that the simple absence of the problem is enough to make one happy? It makes a lot more sense for someone to find a place that offers things that he likes and head that way.
Some people like what Singapore offers them and choose to stay and that's great. Other people have found something in another country that they really like - why should anybody rain on their parade? -
just under the most populous muslim nation does not help either.
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Ah but Eagle , when people ask the migrants for opinions of another country , there are certain elements who , without provocation, will attempt to portray migrants as dissidents attempting to trick others into migrating.Originally posted by sgdiehard:quote:
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Originally posted by eagle:
whether people migrate a not, it is ultimately their decision. However, for people who migrated to send complains of Singapore back to Singapore, it is to me
1) a sign of mocking of people who want to stay here
2) a sign that they are rich enough to migrate
3) a sign that they are trying to justify their own actions, both to others and most importantly, to themselves
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This is the most accurate description of the mindset of these people.
Highly interestingly though ,those elements who claim to love Singapore so deeply, couldn't be bothered to know what is written in the Constitution of Singapore. So I would question those elements.
Then there are those who cut and paste sensationalist western articles in an assumingly well intentioned but seriously misguided feeble minded attempt to dissuade others from leaving.
That makes the forum fun.