another ex-colleague has quitted singapore
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Money makes the world blind.Originally posted by sunnytv:In here, we r not even classified as 4th class & above
We r no different from low skilled foreign workers & PR. Singaporeans are classified as low, middle and high income groups. 
Everywhere the same.
Got money ( millions or better even yet - billions) = first class -
just because I din't bother to rebuke you din't mean that what you said is true. Malays are bumi in the Malaysia Constitution, not Singapore. In Singapore, all races are the same, and there is no indigenous or bumi status for any race to be given any special preference. In fact, ask any malays in singapore, they would tell you "what bumi? i achieved what i have through fair competition in a meritocracy social system." Nobody need to argue about indigenous status or the plight of the indigenous people in Singapore.Originally posted by fymk:Highly interestingly though ,those elements who claim to love Singapore so deeply, couldn't be bothered to know what is written in the Constitution of Singapore. So I would question those elements.
what are your question? here we don't have three times the level of infant mortality amongst malay children under five than there is with non-malay children." -
If that is so, why would so many locals prefer to migrate to Australia or other developed countries?Originally posted by sgdiehard:just because I din't bother to rebuke you din't mean that what you said is true. Malays are bumi in the Malaysia Constitution, not Singapore. In Singapore, all races are the same, and there is no indigenous or bumi status for any race to be given any special preference. In fact, ask any malays in singapore, they would tell you "what bumi? i achieved what i have through fair competition in a meritocracy social system." Nobody need to argue about indigenous status or the plight of the indigenous people in Singapore.
what are your question? here we don't have three times the level of infant mortality amongst malay children under five than there is with non-malay children." -
those locals who want to migrate are not the minorities. How many Malays do you know of have migrated?Originally posted by will4:If that is so, why would so many locals prefer to migrate to Australia or other developed countries?
Singapore is small, limited by its land size. Younger Singaporeans are better educated and can have access to places outside Singapore for something different. Australia is big, english speaking, nearer to singapore, there is no harm really for anybody wanting some different lifestyle to consider migrating there.
If Canada were nearer, then more singaporean would consider moving to vancouver rather than perth, at least they don't have to live the four seasons upside down.
I know many people are now considering spending their retirement in southern China, like yunnan, where the weather is cool and air not polluted, cost of living is very very cheap.
I even know a few Singaporean who stay long term in Thailand.
The younger singaporean are better educated and qualified, many older singaporeans are relatively cash rich when their children are grown up, the fact that they want to stay in another country to enjoy life is a not a reflection of how bad singapore is, but they should thank their parents or the opportunity to have stayed in Singapore for the last 20 to 30 years, which put them in good position to have alternatives. -
Exactly. This raises the question of why some stayers get so defensive (if not abusive) when the topic of immigration comes up.Originally posted by sgdiehard:the fact that they want to stay in another country to enjoy life is a not a reflection of how bad singapore is -
all these debates have become so meaningless when both sides are only highlighting the negative issues. I fully agree with you that the absence of bad things doesn't make me move or stay, but the attraction of positive and good things does. (not exactly your word but think this is what you mean).Originally posted by Gedanken:Exactly. This raises the question of why some stayers get so defensive (if not abusive) when the topic of immigration comes up.
The ideal would be to find a comfortable place call home and then have the flexibility, and money, to move around. Singapore is nice, Australia is nice, but the world is nicer.
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Yup, that's exactly what I meant. If people are just going to focus on avoiding the negative, they're just going to keep running away from things. I figure that would get tiring after a while, and it doesn't make much sense.Originally posted by sgdiehard:all these debates have become so meaningless when both sides are only highlighting the negative issues. I fully agree with you that the absence of bad things doesn't make me move or stay, but the attraction of positive and good things does. (not exactly your word but think this is what you mean).
The ideal would be to find a comfortable place call home and then have the flexibility, and money, to move around. Singapore is nice, Australia is nice, but the world is nicer.
have a good day.
I'd agree with your definition of ideal. Just because one place is good doesn't mean that others are bad, so why not get the best of a whole bunch of places? -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:just because I din't bother to rebuke you din't mean that what you said is true. Malays are bumi in the Malaysia Constitution, not Singapore. In Singapore, all races are the same, and there is no indigenous or bumi status for any race to be given any special preference. In fact, ask any malays in singapore, they would tell you "what bumi? i achieved what i have through fair competition in a meritocracy social system." Nobody need to argue about indigenous status or the plight of the indigenous people in Singapore.
what are your question? here we don't have three times the level of infant mortality amongst malay children under five than there is with non-malay children."Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Are Malays the Indigenous Singaporean? Do you know that even the Malays originally came from southern china?Part XIII General Provisions
Note the underlined statement above and note that the Constitution of Singapore contradicts you. So rebuke what?
Article 152 Minorities and Special Position of Malays
(1) It shall be the responsibility of the Government constantly to care for the interests of the racial and religious minorities in Singapore.
(2) The Government shall exercise its functions in such manner as to recognize the special position of the Malays, who are the indigenous people of Singapore, and accordingly it shall be the responsibility of the Government to protect, safeguard, support, foster and promote their political, educational, religious, economic, social and cultural interests and the Malay language
The Malay community , just like the Chinese and Indian community, made valuable and important contributions to Singapore. -
welcome to singapore, welcome to pay > S$2500 psf for our flats and thank you for your confidence in our economy and government. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Can u please tell us how many in each year the total no of local who have given up their citizenship or obtained PR in other countries?
it is sad sg lose another talent to other country.
[b]tell your colleagur there are thousands q up to replace him/her.
plus 10,000 SPR renounce their home countries citizenships and
join the red dot club as permanent members..
WE ,CITIZENS OF SINGAPORE.....
WELCOME GUYS..
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It must be just another meritocratic coincidence that you happen to have someone, through a dynastic edict, who happens to hold the post of Primer Minister, Finance Minister and Chairman of the Central Bank at different times, eh?Originally posted by sgdiehard:just because I din't bother to rebuke you din't mean that what you said is true. Malays are bumi in the Malaysia Constitution, not Singapore. In Singapore, all races are the same, and there is no indigenous or bumi status for any race to be given any special preference. In fact, ask any malays in singapore, they would tell you "what bumi? i achieved what i have through fair competition in a meritocracy social system." Nobody need to argue about indigenous status or the plight of the indigenous people in Singapore.
what are your question? here we don't have three times the level of infant mortality amongst malay children under five than there is with non-malay children."
Should you not comprehend the conflicts of interest that invariably arise from such an arrangement, imagine a professional football game where a coach gets to decide on not just his team, but also the lineup of his opponents and the choice of referee. So much for meritocracy and impartiality... -
Nobody said the Malay community din't contribute to Singapore. If the indigenous people are to be protected by the constitution, comparing the life of the indigenous people in australia and singapore, it is not difficult to conclude that the Singapore government have done a more credible job in taking care of the indigenous people, as well as the minority, don't you think so?Originally posted by fymk:Note the underlined statement above and note that the Constitution of Singapore contradicts you. So rebuke what?
The Malay community , just like the Chinese and Indian community, made valuable and important contributions to Singapore. -
I do not deny the fact that there are conflicts of interests in the appointments key positions in Singapore. The difference is that I do not then migrate as a result. I don't like the way soccer games are fixed, I play golf. But when the system of my country need to be corrected, I need to know the How and when, running away or migrating to another country definitely will not help.Originally posted by walesa:It must be just another meritocratic coincidence that you happen to have someone, through a dynastic edict, who happens to hold the post of Primer Minister, Finance Minister and Chairman of the Central Bank at different times, eh?
Should you not comprehend the conflicts of interest that invariably arise from such an arrangement, imagine a professional football game where a coach gets to decide on not just his team, but also the lineup of his opponents and the choice of referee. So much for meritocracy and impartiality... -
And how does your taking a swipe at the Malaysians reflect well on the mentality of a self-contradicting tosser?Originally posted by sgdiehard:I do not deny the fact that there are conflicts of interests in the appointments key positions in Singapore. The difference is that I do not then migrate as a result. I don't like the way soccer games are fixed, I play golf. But when the system of my country need to be corrected, I need to know the How and when, running away or migrating to another country definitely will not help.
There's a thin line between bravery and stupidity - blind loyalty and blatant refusal to consider an alternate course of action is hardly prudent on its own. So, in short, what are you trying to prove? -
different times?Originally posted by walesa:It must be just another meritocratic coincidence that you happen to have someone, through a dynastic edict, who happens to hold the post of Primer Minister, Finance Minister and Chairman of the Central Bank at different times, eh?
Should you not comprehend the conflicts of interest that invariably arise from such an arrangement, imagine a professional football game where a coach gets to decide on not just his team, but also the lineup of his opponents and the choice of referee. So much for meritocracy and impartiality...
PM and FM at the same time leh, and wifey is a TH's head somemore
Bro was once Singtel's head somemore -
Singapore is ranked world 22nd in terms of the number of immigrant population. In terms of immigrants over total population it is 42.6%, the only higher countries in the top 50 ranking are Hong Kong, UAE, Palestinian Territories and Kuwait. All middle eastern countries except for Hong Kong.
Currently the immigrants are close to half of the total population, in another few years time, the immigrant population will overtake the local population.
Very soon we will all be learning how to speak Putong Hua, Hindi, Filipino, Bahasa Indonesia, Vietnamese and Thai. -
That despot coincided his resignation as the chairman of the central bank in time with his appointment as PM. Perhaps, that's a sign of meritocratic coincidence...Originally posted by eagle:different times?
PM and FM at the same time leh, and wifey is a TH's head somemore
Bro was once Singtel's head somemore -
You are creating a diversion from a fact that you have contradicted.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Nobody said the Malay community din't contribute to Singapore. If the indigenous people are to be protected by the constitution, comparing the life of the indigenous people in australia and singapore, it is not difficult to conclude that the Singapore government have done a more credible job in taking care of the indigenous people, as well as the minority, don't you think so?
Nobody is saying anything except for you who claimed that Malays are not the indigenous people of Singapore.
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There is definitely a conflict of interest in him holding so many positions.Originally posted by walesa:It must be just another meritocratic coincidence that you happen to have someone, through a dynastic edict, who happens to hold the post of Primer Minister, Finance Minister and Chairman of the Central Bank at different times, eh?
Should you not comprehend the conflicts of interest that invariably arise from such an arrangement, imagine a professional football game where a coach gets to decide on not just his team, but also the lineup of his opponents and the choice of referee. So much for meritocracy and impartiality... -
even the blind can see what kind of discrimination is there against the minorities in malaysia, you think the malaysian indians have absolutely no ground to stage the recent demonstration? comparing the treatment of minorities in Singapore against those in Malaysia and Australia, the Singaporean government can certainly hold their head high. Blind loyalty or simply blind? call whatever name you like, I won't lower myself to reply on that.Originally posted by walesa:And how does your taking a swipe at the Malaysians reflect well on the mentality of a self-contradicting tosser?
There's a thin line between bravery and stupidity - blind loyalty and blatant refusal to consider an alternate course of action is hardly prudent on its own. So, in short, what are you trying to prove?
Migrating is never "an alternate course of action" for the problem in Singapore! People migrate for all kind of reasons, but if they migrate because lee dynasty is a problem for them, if they have problem with the poltics here, then they are just running away from the problem. Anybody who run away from their problem has admitted defeat, their action is clear reflection of their "loser" mentality. Need to prove what?
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nybody who run away from their problem has admitted defeat, their action is clear reflection of their "loser" mentality.
Chee Soon Juan did not run away to the USA.
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what difference does it make whether malays in singapore are indigenous people or not? They don't need to use the status of indigenous people to gain any special preference as in Malaysia, neither do they need the status to protect themselves against the majority as in Australia. who need to be defended?Originally posted by fymk:You are creating a diversion from a fact that you have contradicted.
Nobody is saying anything except for you who claimed that Malays are not the indigenous people of Singapore.
Why so defensive? you better stay in oz and make sure that your beloved Rudd does what he said to the aborigines, or you would have a lot to defend for your new government. -
Despite his stupidity sometimes, Chee Soon Juan's credibility is high for staying put to fight. He is never respected for his "smart" political moves, but he is certainly respected as an opposition.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Chee Soon Juan did not run away to the USA.
He chose to stay to fight the PAP ruling clique. -
There are those that would bail ship if they see another better passing ship, then there are those who cannot get into the better ship because their services are not needed there and then there are those despite their own ship sinking will choose to stay (drown with the ship).
I salute the 3rd type, they are brave but somewhat stupid.
The world needs more of those 3rd type, so that those of the 1st type can exploit them. -
It's obvious I wouldn't find it realistic for an idiot to conjure up anything of substance. So what you see in Malaysia is discrimination, but the system in Singapore is exclusively meritocratic? I suppose you regard yourself to have as good a chance of concurrently holding the position of PM and finance minister as someone who happens to be a descendant of the Lee dynasty? Or perhaps, policies (well, just one of many) that mandate conscription from the local males are not a form of discrimination?Originally posted by sgdiehard:even the blind can see what kind of discrimination is there against the minorities in malaysia, you think the malaysian indians have absolutely no ground to stage the recent demonstration? comparing the treatment of minorities in Singapore against those in Malaysia and Australia, the Singaporean government can certainly hold their head high. Blind loyalty or simply blind? call whatever name you like, I won't lower myself to reply on that.
So what else does your selective amnesia-cum-reasoning prohibit you from understanding the utopia you live in isn't that perfect either in ideals or practice?
You needn't prove anything - you have just proved your stupidity with your nonsensical barb about how emigration for "all kinds of reasons" are seemingly justifiable, but not for those who opt for freedom from a bunch of despots (which your deranged intellect seems to regard as a problem and that of having a "loser" mentality). I'm sure this regime would do well with more naive losers like you.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Migrating is never "an alternate course of action" for the problem in Singapore! People migrate for all kind of reasons, but if they migrate because lee dynasty is a problem for them, if they have problem with the poltics here, then they are just running away from the problem. Anybody who run away from their problem has admitted defeat, their action is clear reflection of their "loser" mentality. Need to prove what?