Why the PAP will suffer in the next election...
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As the subject states,I think that the PAP has created its own vulnerability in the next election by the very policies that it has crafted in the past few years.
1)Ministerial pay rise: This was a policy roundly opposed across the board by most of the population of Singapore.Given that our ministers were amonst the highest paid civil servants in the world,with the private sector being used as a gauge, the increase was felt to be unwarranted by most people. If anything,it was a demonstration of supreme arrogance on the part of the political party currently in power.
2)Foreign immigration: While it is accepted that we require migrant workers to drive the economy,again,a significant number feel that the government has threatened the position of Singaporeans within their own country by perhaps allowing too many immigrants in.We see this in the rising social friction and changing social landscape of Singapore.
3)Opposition growing in strength: Chee Soon Juan can't orate for nuts,but they guy can write very good essays and present good academic arguments regarding the politics of Singapore.The opposition are learning and adapting, taking the strengths and strategies of the PAP and making them their own.There IS a credible opposition,with qualified professionals who are competent in their areas of expertise.However, a media controlled by the ruling class disseminates the idea that there is a lack of credible opposition when the opposite is true. Reference the recent case of the PM attacking opposition politicians,widely publicised in media sources.
If they weren't a threat,they would be ignored.Similarly, JB Jeyaratnam was sued into the ground by Lee Kuan Yew.For defamation to the extent that he was bankrupt?If he wasn't a threat,they would have ignored him.
These are the 3 primary factors I feel will play a part in ensuring that while the PAP will still remain the dominant party by virtue of their incumbent status, they will lose their overwhelming majority in parliament.
If the decreasing margin of votes between the PAP and the opposition is any indicator,the next election looks set to have a good showing of the opposition and a weakened PAP base. -
aiya don't you worry. before the next election, there will be goodie bags to whet your appetite.
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Well, I don't trust in human nature,so perhaps I'll just say that if the PAP supporters are stupid enough to forget what has been done by the arrogance and unchecked power of the PAP,then they deserve whatever government they get...Originally posted by missqi:aiya don't you worry. before the next election, there will be goodie bags to whet your appetite. 
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The country is already infested with quitters that are enjoying the benefit build by the stupid locals.
For the next election, it will be the quitters that are the majority, not the local.
So, for the quitters to bring in more of their kakis, who would they support ?
The answer is obvious. -
if the govt is good, they have nothing to worry about when the election come.
by giving some goodies before election and taking it back later is what make most Singaporean think that our govt is good. -
Originally posted by Sardaukar:
Agree, but people have short memories. The ruling party had been arrogant for the better part of SG's independent history.
As the subject states,I think that the PAP has created its own vulnerability in the next election by the very policies that it has crafted in the past few years.
1)Ministerial pay rise: This was a policy roundly opposed across the board by most of the population of Singapore.Given that our ministers were amonst the highest paid civil servants in the world,with the private sector being used as a gauge, the increase was felt to be unwarranted by most people. If anything,it was a demonstration of supreme arrogance on the part of the political party currently in power.
Arrogance itself is not going to change much in the local political landscape.
Furthermore, the way electoral boundaries are drawn, its not likely that any GRC will be able to muster enough votes to throw out the PAP.2)Foreign immigration: While it is accepted that we require migrant workers to drive the economy,again,a significant number feel that the government has threatened the position of Singaporeans within their own country by perhaps allowing too many immigrants in.We see this in the rising social friction and changing social landscape of Singapore.
What social friction? u see riots on the streets? munjen vs bangla?
Sure, there's some discomforts but i wouldn't exaggerate its impact.
Fact remains, SG is dependent on foreign labour for its labour intensive industries like construction and manufacturing (what's left of it).
As for "FT's", although I have my reservations about some of them whom I feel to be blubbering idiots incapable of distinguishing elbow from arsehole, the writings on the walls are that there aren't enough of the right kind of skilled manpower ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
We have to let them in because there aren't enough locals to do those jobs anyway! Take wealth management for example: tons of ang mohs and indians in the industry but fact is, not enough experienced wealth managers in the world and these guys will go wherever the money takes them.
As for the locals who have fallen on hard times, truly, I am sympathetic. The government would be wise to start cobbling together something that roughly resembles a social safety net.
I believe that there isn't enough of a critical mass to topple them yet, but if they hope to maintain the moral high-ground for the rest of the citizenry, they better do something about it or they might lose more votes than expected.3)Opposition growing in strength: Chee Soon Juan can't orate for nuts,but they guy can write very good essays and present good academic arguments regarding the politics of Singapore.The opposition are learning and adapting, taking the strengths and strategies of the PAP and making them their own.There IS a credible opposition,with qualified professionals who are competent in their areas of expertise.However, a media controlled by the ruling class disseminates the idea that there is a lack of credible opposition when the opposite is true. Reference the recent case of the PM attacking opposition politicians,widely publicised in media sources.
CSJ can write all he wants and talk all he wants. Nobody is paying attention to him and I frankly feel that he has himself to blame for this.
If they weren't a threat,they would be ignored.Similarly, JB Jeyaratnam was sued into the ground by Lee Kuan Yew.For defamation to the extent that he was bankrupt?If he wasn't a threat,they would have ignored him.
Singaporeans do not buy his style of confrontational opposition politics.
Academia be damned. The core of 30 - 50ish HBD heartlanders are not gonna be reading his high-brow journal articles and airy fairy ideals.
My personal opinion: they are noble and attractive on paper, then again, but so was nazism and communism.
For JBJ, its the question of mortality... Just as we do not expect the Old Man to live forever, I think we would be over-generous to expect different of Mr JBJ. If he was 20 years younger, I would think differently.
As for the other parties, I think they stand a good chance of improving on their strengths and credibility but even the WP is taking a gradual approach.
They are wise to do so. Change is not going to happen overnight.These are the 3 primary factors I feel will play a part in ensuring that while the PAP will still remain the dominant party by virtue of their incumbent status, they will lose their overwhelming majority in parliament.
Interesting factors, and valid for the purpose of discussing the future political landscape of SG, but I see it more as a process of erosion rather than a "big-bang" at the next GE.
If the decreasing margin of votes between the PAP and the opposition is any indicator,the next election looks set to have a good showing of the opposition and a weakened PAP base.
It may happen over 3, maybe 5 GE, but not the next one.
In order for opposition to be effective, they must:
(a) occupy at least 1/3 of the seats so that they can block legislations and move beyond token opposition.
(b) debate effectively in parliament. By this, I do not mean just to argue for the sake of arguing, but have the mind and the resources to draft proper amendments and alternatives for bills which they object to.
Such resources takes time to build. The PAP was not wrong to criticise the lack of a "shadow cabinet" in the WP team in the last GE. It takes time to learn the art of governance and if the WP wants to be a serious player, they should have started yesterday.
If they had not done so, I certainly hope they do so soon or they will never be taken seriously.
LKY was quite perceptive to observe that Singaporeans love the festivities and the ra-ra atmosphere of opposition rallies, but when it comes to the ballot box, they vote with their head.
That being the case, what the opposition needs to do is not just to tug at Singaporean's hearts and idealism, but to appeal to their minds and wallets and portray themselves as a credible alternative. -
Originally posted by Sardaukar:
if uncertainty and hostility occurred in this region than everyone will vote for PAP.
As the subject states,I think that the PAP has created its own vulnerability in the next election by the very policies that it has crafted in the past few years.
1)Ministerial pay rise: This was a policy roundly opposed across the board by most of the population of Singapore.Given that our ministers were amonst the highest paid civil servants in the world,with the private sector being used as a gauge, the increase was felt to be unwarranted by most people. If anything,it was a demonstration of supreme arrogance on the part of the political party currently in power.
2)Foreign immigration: While it is accepted that we require migrant workers to drive the economy,again,a significant number feel that the government has threatened the position of Singaporeans within their own country by perhaps allowing too many immigrants in.We see this in the rising social friction and changing social landscape of Singapore.
3)Opposition growing in strength: Chee Soon Juan can't orate for nuts,but they guy can write very good essays and present good academic arguments regarding the politics of Singapore.The opposition are learning and adapting, taking the strengths and strategies of the PAP and making them their own.There [b]IS a credible opposition,with qualified professionals who are competent in their areas of expertise.However, a media controlled by the ruling class disseminates the idea that there is a lack of credible opposition when the opposite is true. Reference the recent case of the PM attacking opposition politicians,widely publicised in media sources.
If they weren't a threat,they would be ignored.Similarly, JB Jeyaratnam was sued into the ground by Lee Kuan Yew.For defamation to the extent that he was bankrupt?If he wasn't a threat,they would have ignored him.
These are the 3 primary factors I feel will play a part in ensuring that while the PAP will still remain the dominant party by virtue of their incumbent status, they will lose their overwhelming majority in parliament.
If the decreasing margin of votes between the PAP and the opposition is any indicator,the next election looks set to have a good showing of the opposition and a weakened PAP base.[/b] -
To the new quitters Singapore would be considered heaven compared to their 3rd world birth country.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:The country is already infested with quitters that are enjoying the benefit build by the stupid locals.
For the next election, it will be the quitters that are the majority, not the local.
So, for the quitters to bring in more of their kakis, who would they support ?
The answer is obvious.
So, naturally they will vote in P4P to show their gratitude to what the regime has given them.
Why do you think the P4P government wants to increase the population to 6 millon, through immigration from 3rd world countries?
The extra 2 plus million of dumb loyal 3rd world countries supporter will ensure the P4P's victory in successive elections.
I wonder what would be the scenario if they allow more immgrants from westernised democracies.
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It's hightime they get kicked off their high-chairs!! -
... but trust Singaporeans to be Silliporeans... and don't get your hopes too high...
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... only when they are all half dead, then they will wake up... but what PxP is doing to them, make them "eat not full" "hungry not starving" by taking away their hard earned money, they will continue to be Silliporeans...
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Not if the opposition parties continue to field jokers like CSJ & Co.......
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yeah, they really need to fill in high calibre candidates to surviveOriginally posted by :Not if the opposition parties continue to field jokers like CSJ & Co....... -
Does WP winning the election somehow overnight mean they will reduce their own pay to match apples to apples such as politician of other countries?Originally posted by Sardaukar:As the subject states,I think that the PAP has created its own vulnerability in the next election by the very policies that it has crafted in the past few years.
1)Ministerial pay rise: This was a policy roundly opposed across the board by most of the population of Singapore.Given that our ministers were amonst the highest paid civil servants in the world,with the private sector being used as a gauge, the increase was felt to be unwarranted by most people. If anything,it was a demonstration of supreme arrogance on the part of the political party currently in power. -
Every dog has its day!
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Why the PAP will suffer in the next election...
Opposition has no access to the mainstream media.
PAP has access to the mainstream media.
During the long periods of unelection time, PAP can spread their propaganda in the mainstream media.
The opposition cannot.
SDP cannot spread their propaganda in the mainstream media, only on their website.
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org
So PAP has advantage. -
I just think if/should they win the eleclation again which I feared will definitely happen. Everything will be the same again. Infact ministers pay could even be raise more, bus fare goes up, ERP goes up, ceo goes up, gst increase and with the new plan by the current PM Singapore will not be like how it used to be anymore. Just look at the national library, It looks something like Daily Planet to me.
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PAP consist of people with high calibre. Where else can you get people better than them?Originally posted by de_middle:yeah, they really need to fill in high calibre candidates to survive
I say any Tom, Dick and Harry who have the passion to serve and make changes for the better will do. -
u forgot to include corruption
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I say PAP will win big in the next election.
Why? Because Singaporeans got no guts to vote for the opposition party -
things will only happen when everyone goes hunger, and with nothing to lose.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... only when they are all half dead, then they will wake up... but what PxP is doing to them, make them "eat not full" "hungry not starving" by taking away their hard earned money, they will continue to be Silliporeans... -
TS, which opposition party did u belonged to??
anyway, learn this term monopoly. it doesnt applies to economics but also our local politics.
how many of u really recognise the face or name of any opposition party member? maybe a handful. how many of us actually recognise the name of the pap or remember their faces? almost everyone right?
i never voted b4 bcos my constituency is marine parade, but i can conclude that, the opposition only make themselves seen and heard every election. and it does not help that they reshuffle their team once they lost for the next election, making recognising them even harder.
and abt chee soon juan. yes, he maybe a prof.. good in writing essays.. but u want a mp to behave like a 5 year old kid??? TS u must be joking while u write those to praise him. -
with each new year comesOriginally posted by missqi:aiya don't you worry. before the next election, there will be goodie bags to whet your appetite.
new breed of young people.
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If lets say hypothetically,Originally posted by googoomuck:PAP consist of people with high calibre. Where else can you get people better than them?
I say any Tom, Dick and Harry who have the passion to serve and make changes for the better will do.
Billy the Gates turned citizen, which is not even a question,
and he offers 10 million a month per talent.
What happens?
And he buys everything that can be bought.
Would think he will have the same talents?
What does this tell you. psst! keep your answer to yourselves. **ssshh!*
btw, think also, where is the source of this kinda FUNDATION? think people think! -
TS and some of the people here brought up very good points.
LKY and gang are smart people, especially the cunning old fox. LKY must have calculated the risk before suing any oppositions for defamation. It is absolutely true to say that if the oppositions don't pose a threat to LKY he will not be bothered to sue them. We all know old cunning fox is expert in suing oppositions, even the western media have noted this and repeat this in their articles.
I, too, together with most people hope that our people will be smart and daring to vote against PAP, but from what I observe and my talk with locals they have not changed a bit. So I don't think PAP will suffer that drastic further drop in the percentage of their winning in the next election. REason being there aren't sufficient courageous Singaporeans to vote for the oppositions.