singaporeans are getting replace in sg
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according to my ret lt col fren.. YES!!!!Originally posted by Daddy!!:does the influx of FTs have anything to do with the demographic trends of Singapore?
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thank u...but how do u help?Originally posted by fishbuff:i want my fellow singaporean NS comrades to seek similar overseas opportunities as well.
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Don't worry, no developed country absorbs foreigners as desperately as this fascist regime and tonnes of these developed countries are still much better off economically - in fact, far better than this regime can ever hope to match.Originally posted by fishbuff:by the way, immigration here is tight. immigrants arent as many as what sg is absorbing in right now. -
Not just your jobs, but also your potential spouse (if you're still single) and future.Originally posted by Lim Wei Ming:Crap, I just got rejected from a job just because they know i'm a local and I told them my next reservist is 7 months away. And the guy said "Wah, so fast?"
Sometimes, I wonder why are we putting up all these sacrifices for? For all the FT to come and snatch away our jobs?
So much for your constitutional rights as a citizen...
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As our propaganda machine goes,
"Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade!" -
I have been worrying every day,
what kind of future will my children have.
I have acturely cancelled a plan to have more babies.
I doon wan them to suffer like I do now.
by the time a child grows up, I think the dot would have over 60% PRs and new immigs already.
like this they nebber will loose.
Money can buy anyone.
humanity. price. hotel.
hey, i discovered today something interestng but unrelated to topic:
I threw some doggie goodie biskits (whenever I collect rent, the people who lease from me give me free doggies biskits I can use as bait for poodles) onto the floor.
many poodles rush in to eat and from thereon, what i say is the truth.
at first poodles were unhappy with me.
then, all of a sudden I thot, I must not loose.
so, I initialised a can of doggie goodie bisits gotten free.
and threw it into the face of the poodles.
instantly, poodles no longer kpkb.
They now lick my toes clean clean like a kuai little servant.
I forsee using free dog biskits, I can be the master of all poodles forever.
dog biskits. They are free. To the poodles, the goodie doggie biskits come from me. That is all that matters. -
cheaper to hire foreigners....next election i vote for SDP liao...enuff of PAP
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silly boy, don't tell them the dates of your reservistOriginally posted by Lim Wei Ming:Crap, I just got rejected from a job just because they know i'm a local and I told them my next reservist is 7 months away. And the guy said "Wah, so fast?" Sometimes, I wonder why are we putting up all these sacrifices for? For all the FT to come and snatch away our jobs?
1) tell them you don't know
2) tell them maybe next year, still long way to go
then when confirmed and signed appointment letter, then tell them it's 7 months' time... that's how you should combat against the FTs
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it's funny in a way because most singaporeans are immigrant stocks who come from the mainland anyway, with the main exception of the malays
can't help feeling bad for them seeing how they work like dogs in sg earning barely enuf to support a family. all in all, the local job market in sg is biased against the malays and indians. juz look at all the job ads; chinese speaking, able to liase with chinese clients, english and chinese a must, juz to name a few.
so while you're sucking it up, consider how the less privileged few copes with this sh|t that the government is trying ever so hard to sweep it under the carpet.
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Why should the govt care? Their pay is pegged to GDP growth and the top 10 wage earners in each year. So the faster the growth, the better, no matter how it is achieved.Originally posted by fishbuff:while i was working as a technical consultant servicing banks and other financial institutions, i can hardly see any chinese at all, let alone singaporeans. likewise to the last job when i worked in an IT gaming company, out of 300+ IT professionals, only less than 4 are singaporeans.
while the market in SG is definitely picking up, older IT professionals like me are having a hard time finding decent good jobs that pay enough to sustain my family. i had;
- called from job agencies and once they learnt im over 39, they citied that their requirement is for someone that is younger than that.
- the interviewers at the banks that i was trying for the job are all indians FTs, i look around at the IT departments, not a single singaporeans in sight. I knew they are looking for their own kind of people, and interviewing me is just a cover up. as i knew it, i didnt get the job even though i had over 8 years of oracle db experiences in implementation and 3 certifications in oracle.
there is no incentives for hiring singaporeans. as one other forumer that had mention about hiring singaporean males, we all had to do reservist one of every 12 months. employers will never like that and cited that if their business can carry on without the presence of us during our reservists, then probably they wont need us at all.
i cant help to feel that singaporean males are expendable and easy to abuse. see how those PAP ministers like Philip Yeo, Vivian, Dr Hen etc are so audacious in mocking the singaporeans? are we such a pushover?
I'm not racisit, but I do not see how absorbing a large number of foreigners can help foster the Singaporean identity that we were taught from young, especially when the foreigners are getting alot of the benefits for free. The difference b/w the immigration policy now and the past is that while the FTs of the past came here to pass on the skills to us (which we have now), the majority of the new ones now come here so that economic growth can be achieved at all cost to hit the government's growth target.
If there is a war, will these FTs stay???? Who is left fighting for Singapore????
Why does the govt bite the hand that feeds them. Why do they act like they own Singapore???? Rather than voted in to lead. As we all know, titles come from above, but leadership comes from below. If you want to be a leader, act like one and earn the respect, not because you went through the PAP screening process and was made an MP or Minister.
As shareholders of Singapore, we must rethink who we want to be sitting in the boardroom during the next election. So what if they give us growth dividends, when the preference shares were given to the FTs????? Remember, FTs get the first bite, we common shareholders only get a payout if there is something left. Not to forget they keep issuing share certificates to these newcomers, existing shareholders are suffering dilution...... -
save all your breadth... they don't care...
just treat s'pore as a hotel... move on if you can... if you can't, just lan lan stay...
i say once again, they don't care and why should they care for you... wake up -
Let me post a question here.Originally posted by golani_bde:Why should the govt care? Their pay is pegged to GDP growth and the top 10 wage earners in each year. So the faster the growth, the better, no matter how it is achieved.
I'm not racisit, but I do not see how absorbing a large number of foreigners can help foster the Singaporean identity that we were though from young, especially when the foreigners are getting alot of the benefits for free. The difference b/w the immigration policy now and the past is that while the FTs came here last time to pass on the skills to us, (which we have now), the new ones now come here so that economic growth can be achieved at all cost to hit the government's target.
If there is a war, will these FTs stay???? Who is left fighting for Singapore????
Why does the govt bite the hand that feeds them. Why do they act like they own Singapore???? Rather than voted in to lead. As we all know, titles come from above, but leadership comes from below. If you want to be a leader, act like one and earn the respect, not because you went through the PAP screening process and was made an MP or Minister.
According to reports in the main media, the AVERAGE pay rise is 7.7% whereas the inflation rate is 3%.
everyone has more money to spend 
However, if we analyse the statistics indepth, we can recognise that the general trend is the RICH got very high salary hike (eg our dear PM who got more than 100% pay rise) whereas the low income group has very little pay increment(some may even force take pay cut or unable to find new job due to influx of 'FTs'). In view of this, 3% inflation (seriously I suspect this 3% doesnt included the 2% GST hike) poses troublesome bread and butter problem to the low income group. -
Another thing about Singaporean identity. We spent the last couple of decades to cultivate our Singaporean identity (eg kaisunessOriginally posted by I-like-flings(m):seriously... what is the point of posting anything?? Singaporean always like to complain this complain that...... which i agree that they have a point....and should complain about all the BS that PAP is giving us... but.... put ur complain into action lah... leave sg or dun vote for them lor.... if not.. then what's the point to complain about something that are not going to change? ).
With the huge influx of FTs, they are not going to be integrated into our society (and culture etc). Instead, they will cluster around with their native friends and use their own culture, languages etc. In such a way, are we going to lose our identity?
When overseas, it is rather easily to recognise a fellow Singaporean. Now, I am not so sure. -
u can hide under the blanket and shout for yr mama if u dun dare to face the fact and realityOriginally posted by fymk:Do you know that each time you post about such a topic ...you are liable to start a war of flaming ? -
Go read her other posts before you embarrass yourself further. Some other people here are the ones who are trying to run away from reality.Originally posted by wudimax:u can hide under the blanket and shout for yr mama if u dun dare to face the fact and reality -
We are not Singaporeans anymore.Originally posted by Spartans:Another thing about Singaporean identity. We spent the last couple of decades to cultivate our Singaporean identity (eg kaisuness ).
With the huge influx of FTs, they are not going to be integrated into our society (and culture etc). Instead, they will cluster around with their native friends and use their own culture, languages etc. In such a way, are we going to lose our identity?
When overseas, it is rather easily to recognise a fellow Singaporean. Now, I am not so sure.
Just Singapore residents.
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worst for mi lor.. i am not even a Singapore residents now.. i dun even know WHO AM I now!!!Originally posted by charlize:We are not Singaporeans anymore.
Just Singapore residents.
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First was the hunt for professionals, who came in as expats.Originally posted by Sagara:When these FTs get a relatively higher position, they tend to source for more of their own countrymen when hiring, be it for colour or that it is more comfortable working with their 'own' kind. They are also cheaper than locals.
Who knows if these pple they brought in are related to them..?
The govt juz don't bloody listen.
We accepted that. Our country need them
After the expats, we were sold on the idea for Foreign Talents.
We accepted that. Our economy need them. OK.
Now it seems we are giving employment to ordinary youths from India, who come in as Foreign Talents. Same for PRC nationals, Filipinos, Nepalese, and Vietnamese
We were pwned.
We have lost our bargaining power.
Take the scraps, (Workfare package, Progress package, Singapore shares, GST rebates, Conservency charges rebates), for a lifetime of low wages, or die.
BTW, lower wages means lower CPF contributions, which in turn means low CPF balances, which means less for Medisave and Retirement Acounts, which means more money needs to be locked up, just in case you don't die when you are supposed to. Eighty for men, eighty-five for women.
Luckly I am "over the hill", and am now looking forward to my Harley Davidson, to ride into the sunset years. -
To all forumers,
TAKE UP RESPONSIBILITY as a DEMOCRATIC CITIZEN.
Know that your ACTIONS or inACTIONS has a consequence on you.
VOTE for a better tomorrow.
btw, can I say that most voters rely on public sector for ricebowl ?
like this hk liao.
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i believe those well informed should know who to vote for in the next election.
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Certainly not the first time this issue has been discussed, remember Derek Wee and Wee Shu Min saga?Originally posted by fishbuff:while i was working as a technical consultant servicing banks and other financial institutions, i can hardly see any chinese at all, let alone singaporeans. likewise to the last job when i worked in an IT gaming company, out of 300+ IT professionals, only less than 4 are singaporeans.
while the market in SG is definitely picking up, older IT professionals like me are having a hard time finding decent good jobs that pay enough to sustain my family. i had;
- called from job agencies and once they learnt im over 39, they citied that their requirement is for someone that is younger than that.
- the interviewers at the banks that i was trying for the job are all indians FTs, i look around at the IT departments, not a single singaporeans in sight. I knew they are looking for their own kind of people, and interviewing me is just a cover up. as i knew it, i didnt get the job even though i had over 8 years of oracle db experiences in implementation and 3 certifications in oracle.
there is no incentives for hiring singaporeans. as one other forumer that had mention about hiring singaporean males, we all had to do reservist one of every 12 months. employers will never like that and cited that if their business can carry on without the presence of us during our reservists, then probably they wont need us at all.
i cant help to feel that singaporean males are expendable and easy to abuse. see how those PAP ministers like Philip Yeo, Vivian, Dr Hen etc are so audacious in mocking the singaporeans? are we such a pushover?
Singapore's so called Foreign Talent policy had gone horribly wrong and the State Times is still trying to convince people on the ground of its merits.
Expertise transfer did not happen, what happened was opportunists taking advantage and heading back home after making money. One just needs to look at our sports scene. What happened to our so called Foreign Talents? Another renaming Marina Bay project?
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/212944print.asp
Even now, disillusioned Singaporeans are running off and the doors are going to be opened wider. This works to be a self-fulfilling event. The saddest thing is that the real effects of this failed policy will show up in 10 to 20 years down the road.
Tell that to the men in white? They will tell you to face "the brutal truth". I can't write as well as an elite, so i just copy and paste.
mom's friend sent her some blog post by some bleeding stupid 40-year old singaporean called derek wee (WHY do all the idiots have my surname why?!) whining about how singapore is such an insecure place, how old ppl (ie, 40 and above) fear for their jobs, how the pool of foreign "talent" (dismissively chucked between inverted commas) is really a tsunami that will consume us all (no actually he didn't say that, he probably said Fouren Talern Bery Bad.), how the reason why no one wants kids is that they're a liability in this world of fragile ricebowls, how the government really needs to save us from inevitable doom but they aren't because they are stick-shoved-up-ass elites who have no idea how the world works, yadayadayadayada.
i am inclined - too much, perhaps - to dismiss such people as crackpots. stupid crackpots. the sadder class. too often singaporeans - both the neighborhood poor and the red-taloned socialites - kid themselves into believing that our society, like most others, is compartmentalized by breeding. ridiculous. we are a tyranny of the capable and the clever, and the only other class is the complement.
sad derek attracted more than 50 comments praising him for his poignant views, joining him in a chorus of complaints that climax at the accusation of lack of press freedom because his all-too-true views had been rejected by the straits times forum. while i tend to gripe about how we only have one functioning newspaper too, i think the main reason for its lack of publication was that his incensed diatribe was written in pathetic little scraps that passed off as sentences, with poor spelling and no grammar.
derek, derek, derek darling, how can you expect to have an iron ricebowl or a solid future if you cannot spell?
if you're not good enough, life will kick you in the balls. that's just how things go. there's no point in lambasting the government for making our society one that is, i quote, "far too survival of fittest". it's the same everywhere. yes discrimination exists, and it is sad, but most of the time if people would prefer hiring other people over you, it's because they're better. it's so sad when people like old derek lament the kind of world that singapore will be if we make it so uncertain. go be friggin communist, if uncertainty of success offends you so much - you will certainly be poor and miserable. unless you are an arm-twisting commie bully, which, given your whiny middle-class undereducated penchant, i doubt.
then again, it's easy for me to say. my future isn't certain but i guess right now it's a lot brighter than most people's. derek will read this and brand me as an 18-year old elite, one of the sinners who will inherit the country and run his stock to the gutter. go ahead. the world is about winners and losers. it's only sad when people who could be winners are marginalised and oppressed. is dear derek starving? has dear derek been denied an education? has dear derek been forced into child prostitution? has dear derek had his clan massacred by the government?
i should think not. dear derek is one of many wretched, undermotivated, overassuming leeches in our country, and in this world. one of those who would prefer to be unemployed and wax lyrical about how his myriad talents are being abandoned for the foreigner's, instead of earning a decent, stable living as a sales assistant. it's not even about being a road sweeper. these shitbags don't want anything without "manager" and a name card.
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hehehe..hk..Originally posted by reddressman:To all forumers,
TAKE UP RESPONSIBILITY as a DEMOCRATIC CITIZEN.
Know that your ACTIONS or inACTIONS has a consequence on you.
VOTE for a better tomorrow.
btw, can I say that most voters rely on public sector for ricebowl ?
like this hk liao.
Hong-Kan indeed....
The problem is that there will always be some 66.6% who keep these greedy bastards in power... -
Originally posted by Spartans:
What you pointed out is also highlighted by the recent household survey, where the middle class is disappearing, the poor and the rich are growing on both ends. This is what they call a M-society. CPI will never reflect the actual cost faced due to sampling. I do not see this as an attempt b the government to lie with numbers, the problem with CPI is seen in other countries as well, but it is definitely convenient for thier purposes.
Let me post a question here.
According to reports in the main media, the [b]AVERAGE pay rise is 7.7% whereas the inflation rate is 3%. everyone has more money to spend
However, if we analyse the statistics indepth, we can recognise that the general trend is the RICH got very high salary hike (eg our dear PM who got more than 100% pay rise) whereas the low income group has very little pay increment(some may even force take pay cut or unable to find new job due to influx of 'FTs'). In view of this, 3% inflation (seriously I suspect this 3% doesnt included the 2% GST hike) poses troublesome bread and butter problem to the low income group.[/b] -
Not only are they running away from reality, they are discouraging and stopping people to face reality. Sickos they are.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Go read her other posts before you embarrass yourself further. Some other people here are the ones who are trying to run away from reality.
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"You can lie to some people all the time, all people some of the time, but you can't lie to all people all the time." - Abraham LincolnOriginally posted by HyperFocal:hehehe..hk..
Hong-Kan indeed....
The problem is that there will always be some 66.6% who keep these greedy bastards in power...
That said, when you have got a substantial bunch of ignorant morons that sustain despots in power, you know the light of day is as removed from reality as humanly imaginable.