oversea chinese

Mitsubishi hater

1 Dec 07, 15:03

Are the chinese disporsa truly hanese or chinese?

LazerLordz

1 Dec 07, 15:06

Originally posted by Mitsubishi hater:
Are the chinese disporsa truly hanese or chinese?

I'm Singaporean first, Peranakan Chinese second.

Mitsubishi hater

1 Dec 07, 15:10

Originally posted by LazerLordz:
I'm Singaporean first, Peranakan Chinese second.

your ic is listed as perarakan ya?

LazerLordz

1 Dec 07, 15:18

Originally posted by Mitsubishi hater:
your ic is listed as perarakan ya?

The IC does not list specific ethnic sub groups. Caucasians are just Caucasian, not Irish, German etc.

Chinese are labelled as Chinese, not Han, Miao, Mongolian.

Anyway, I've never believed in putting Race on the NRIC. It's inherently racist.

Arapahoe

1 Dec 07, 23:23

actually how do you really define oversea chinese.

2nd generation born chinese oversea? I have employee that work for me who don't speak a world of mandarin.

i also have chinese from china that work for me who claim to be oversea chinese because they migrate out. ha ha ha. ....

can i said i am oversea singaporean?

Gun

1 Dec 07, 23:49

Originally posted by Mitsubishi hater:
Are the chinese disporsa truly hanese or chinese?

I assume your "Hanese" is referring to "Han Chinese" or "han4 ren2" as in mandarin? Very hard to be define if one use includes "truly" in the definition.

If one uses the population ratio of China as reference, then over 90% of the oversea Chinese are of Han or ethnic Chinese.

Mitsubishi hater

2 Dec 07, 13:49

Originally posted by Gun:

I assume your "Hanese" is referring to "Han Chinese" or "han4 ren2" as in mandarin? Very hard to be define if one use includes "truly" in the definition.

If one uses the population ratio of China as reference, then over 90% of the oversea Chinese are of Han or ethnic Chinese.

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i think the word 'ethnic chinese' is not well define, maybe it is the outside world common expression of ppl from china/PRC.

the 55 minority in PRC can be so call ' ethnic chinese' in the sense.
but the question is: ethnic chinese population in oversea (outside PRC) should be define as hanese or plain chinese(according to PRC 56 race defination)

googoomuck

2 Dec 07, 14:59

Don't know where the Han Chinese originated from but after many civil wars and especially the 300 years of Manchu rule, pure Hans are rare nowadays.

Gun

3 Dec 07, 22:52

Source:http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/oldworld/asia/hanchinese.html

Han Chinese

The Han Chinese make up 92% of the population of China. Therefore, they are the largest ethnic group in the world. The Han culture itself is very old, outdating many European cultures by at least a thousand years. The Han are a very proud people, creating the longest lasting civilization in history.

The language of the Han Chinese is the most widely spoken in the world. Commonly referred to as Mandarin Chinese, it is actually a Beijing-based dialect of the Han language. The Han language, in its various dialects, has been the official language of China since the Qin Dynasty, or around 220 C.E. Mandarin is the oldest living language in the world.

While the government of China officially promotes atheism, many Han still hold traditional beliefs. For well over 2,000 years, China has practiced Confucianism. Confucianism has held a place at the center of a traditional Han family since its founding around 500 BCE. Confucianism is not a religion, rather a set of rules regarding relationships, such as the relationship between a father and a son. Founded about the same time as Confucianism, most Han are also Taoists. Since Confucianism is not a religion, most Han practice a mixture of the two.

The traditional diet of the Han Chinese consists mainly of rice. The diet also varies quite a bit between different regions. In the north, where the Mandarin Han are predominant, there is more grazing area so there is more cattle or chicken consumed. In the south, where the Cantonese Han are predominant, fish is more common. Meals are always eaten with the family and this time is very important to the Han.

Traditional Han society has 3 basic classes. These classes are the Mandarins (bureaucrats and aristocrats); a class of peasants, workers and artisans; and the "mean people," those who are outcasts of society. These classes are now officially banned, but many remnants remain. While somewhat rigid, there is still the possibility of social stratification in Han society. In traditional Han culture, it was possible, through the use of testing, for those in the workers class to become Mandarins. It was impossible, however, for those in the "mean people" class to attain status.

The Han have been dominant in China since the founding of the Chinese Empire, except for two periods totaling 400 years. The Mandarin class was completely made up of Han, as was the massive bureaucracy power base in the Chinese Empire, even during the periods when the Han were not in direct control.

The basic Han clothing was a robe, which was either full-length or calf-length. The front of the robe was left cut, but it was kept closed by a belt. As a rare commodity, cloth was valued by the Han. Silk was also valued, and was often used to reward service to the State. Excess fabric was used to indicate wealth and prestige, and wearing larger and larger clothing, often to the point of immobilizing the wearer, conveyed status.

To the Han Chinese, family is extremely important. The oldest male is considered the head of the household, and is to be respected. Unlike a typical American household where the nuclear family lived together, the traditional Han family consists of the entire extended family. Once the father gets old, it is considered the duty of the son to take care of his father until his death.

Written by: Jon Zetzman

Gun

3 Dec 07, 22:55

Source:
http://www.c-c-c.org/chineseculture/minority/minority.html

Ethnic Minorities in China

From the hinterlands of the north, to the lush jungles in the south, from the mountains of Taiwan in the east, to the top of the world in the west, China serves as home to 56 official ethnic groups. The largest group, the Han, make up over 92% of China's vast population, and it is the elements of Han civilization that world considers "Chinese culture." Yet, the 55 ethnic minorities, nestled away on China's vast frontiers, maintain their own rich traditions and customs, and all are part of Chinese culture.

Gun

3 Dec 07, 23:18

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
"...Overseas Chinese is ambiguous as to whether it can refer
a) to any of the ethnic groups that live in China or
b) refers specifically to the Han Chinese ethnicity, narrowly defined."

IMO, this isn't a definitive authority in classifying what or who is a "overseas chinese". I think that partly reflect the adaptability nature of this people as they migrated and gets assimilated in the host culture over time even if that means lossing the language and naming roots etc, one can still find traces of earlier Chinese migrant in each corner of the world.

Seant7

4 Dec 07, 13:00

Originally posted by LazerLordz:
I'm Singaporean first, Peranakan Chinese second.

But how does that relate to the thread?

Mitsubishi hater

4 Dec 07, 22:10

Originally posted by Gun:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
"...Overseas Chinese is ambiguous as to whether it can refer
a) to any of the ethnic groups that live in China or
b) refers specifically to the Han Chinese ethnicity, narrowly defined."

IMO, this isn't a definitive authority in classifying what or who is a "overseas chinese". I think that partly reflect the adaptability nature of this people as they migrated and gets assimilated in the host culture over time even if that means lossing the language and naming roots etc, one can still find traces of earlier Chinese migrant in each corner of the world.

haha, thank for the write up,

Regarding the defination of overseas chinese....
thats why i confused over the defination and started this thread..