PUZZLE #2 : What is the Employment rate of CITIZENS?
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Hi,
As promised...
We know our bombastic press gives Employment rates based on Residents, where 'resident' is a terminology that encompass all PRs and citizens.
This is precisely the mudder of all reasons for my puzzle # 2.
I like to know,
from this sgforums,
a basic question,
who knows what is the employment or unemployment of CITIZENS?
This means not RESIDENTS per se.
Lets see how long this puzzle need to wait for THE Answer.
Give the people of this forum an answer,
IF you are capable of doing so.
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20 percent
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you find less citizens in private sectors but some citizens are employed in air force, army, navy, police, DSA, government minister office, CIDs, EDB, some government office etc... ya... taxi drivers too.... all these comprised mainly of citizens...
so employment rate of citizens are not that low if you include government sector... if you exclude government sector, employment rate of citizens will be low in private sector... -
hello,Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:you find less citizens in private sectors but some citizens are employed in air force, army, navy, police, DSA, government minister office, CIDs, EDB, some government office etc... ya... taxi drivers too.... all these comprised mainly of citizens...
so employment rate of citizens are not that low if you include government sector... if you exclude government sector, employment rate of citizens will be low in private sector...
The number of citizens relying on the public sector for rice bowl appears to me to be staggering in terms of the proportion of all jobs available ( both Private and Public sector).
It is heard that the public sector is the largest employer.
For such a tiny little city, not to mention country,
I would think more jobs need to be created in the PRIVATE SECTOR .
One thing good about Public sector job is that less , not NO PRs, can compete with you for some types of the jobs. But lets not be ignorant. In Public Sector, Projects are given to private sector implementors who generally provide foreign workers and PRs. Thus, jobs created in the Public sector are also taken up by non citizens substantially.
For a tiny little city, a dot, it should not be difficult to create enough private sector jobs COMPARED to truely large economies / cities / countries.
Just imagine, for only a tiny dot, if structural unemployment and general unemployment cannot be solved, what hope is there if the dot expands to a bigger dot in terms of population expansion?
I admire the job numbers created by large countries. They can produce so many jobs.
Having pay hiked, I think its only appropriate to demand for more progress in this aspect, don ya think?
When too many rely on public sector for ricebowl, I see a problem which I cannot say for self preservatory reasons
Will citizens be scared of loosing the public sector jobs if they have to go into the private sector and face all the storms?
Minus away the jobs from the public sector, what is the jobs created in private sector? oh my goodness. -
employment or unemployment?Originally posted by HyuugaNeji:20 percent
in short, do you have concrete proof by way of providing the source of your data? any publication?
I must say, never have I come across any publication whatsoever released to the public about how many citizen is employed and unemployed and the exact basis for this calculation to give a clear direct picture.
and who are we waiting for , for the answer? I would assume our opposites got come across this question. But the mudder of all mudder of all that I cannot understand is how come I never see the mudder of all answers that I am looking for? What is the REALITY of opposites?
if any of you have, reply to this, IF you are capable of doing so. -
Does anyone knows why employment rate is
using PR+singaporean ?
even so, why no figures for singaporean employment rate?
if any has this info, just reply.
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The MOM was smart to show such a muddled figure to dilute the actual unemployment rate of citizens because PM Lee has earlier on back in 2004 or thereabout told him to buck up on creating jobs as he would be judged on this performance.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:you find less citizens in private sectors but some citizens are employed in air force, army, navy, police, DSA, government minister office, CIDs, EDB, some government office etc... ya... taxi drivers too.... all these comprised mainly of citizens...
so employment rate of citizens are not that low if you include government sector... if you exclude government sector, employment rate of citizens will be low in private sector...
Those citizens who were retrenched but still could not find jobs beyond a certain period were no longer included as unemployed so were not counted in the percentage of unemployed as well by just a slant of the statistics. That is why there is a common saying - statistics can tell lies.
So to survive in the ministerial job he has to be creative. -
Of cos the government will conceal some information and just bring out the good sides. They will obviously include Singaporeans + PRs when they count in employment rate. You think the government is stupid? The ministers are not paid millions for nothing...
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I agree with this.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:You will find less citizens in private sectors but some citizens are employed in air force, army, navy, police, DSA, government minister office, CIDs, EDB, some government office etc... ya... taxi drivers too.... all these comprised mainly of citizens...
So employment rate of citizens are not that low if you include government sector... if you exclude government sector, employment rate of citizens will be low in private sector... -
well, you were complaining that the government did not take care of its citizens. Now it is proven that you are wrong. It takes care of its citizens through employment in the public plus GLC and higher salaries there.
The private sector is open to globalisation of labour and the country has always been pro-business (you should have learnt this hard fact during the last recession). Do you believe that the country should be anti-business instead?
Labour protection laws in other countries are normally bent. Otherwise, businesses simply relocate out causing a hollowing out of the economy. Singapore cannot afford it.
over time and in the future, singapore might develop into a situation that (a) the public sector and GLC remain the largest and getting larger, (b) the public sector and GLC pay a general level of salary which is higher than that in the private sector. Another impetus to develop a unique unified Singaporean identity? The main hurdle to this is that children nowadays are too easily distracted from their studies and unwilling to work hard.
the above is a bit of my opinion. -
Wonder what would the effect on voting if all singaporeans rely on gubbermental ricebowl?Originally posted by Daddy!!:...
over time and in the future, singapore might develop into a situation that (a) the public sector and GLC remain the largest and getting larger, (b) the public sector and GLC pay a general level of salary which is higher than that in the private sector. Another impetus to develop a unique unified Singaporean identity? The main hurdle to this is that children nowadays are too easily distracted from their studies and unwilling to work hard.
the above is a bit of my opinion.
I no no , so I asking.
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Correction: Singapore civil service does consider non-Singaporean citizens unless the job consists of security sensitive issues. It is stated clearly in their recruiting website.Originally posted by reddressman:hello,
The number of citizens relying on the public sector for rice bowl appears to me to be staggering in terms of the proportion of all jobs available ( both Private and Public sector).
It is heard that the public sector is the largest employer.
For such a tiny little city, not to mention country,
I would think more jobs need to be created in the PRIVATE SECTOR .
One thing good about Public sector job is that less , not NO PRs, can compete with you for some types of the jobs. But lets not be ignorant. In Public Sector, Projects are given to private sector implementors who generally provide foreign workers and PRs. Thus, jobs created in the Public sector are also taken up by non citizens substantially.
For a tiny little city, a dot, it should not be difficult to create enough private sector jobs COMPARED to truely large economies / cities / countries.
Just imagine, for only a tiny dot, if structural unemployment and general unemployment cannot be solved, what hope is there if the dot expands to a bigger dot in terms of population expansion?
I admire the job numbers created by large countries. They can produce so many jobs.
Having pay hiked, I think its only appropriate to demand for more progress in this aspect, don ya think?
When too many rely on public sector for ricebowl, I see a problem which I cannot say for self preservatory reasons Will citizens be scared of loosing the public sector jobs if they have to go into the private sector and face all the storms?
Minus away the jobs from the public sector, what is the jobs created in private sector? oh my goodness.
So basically in jobs that do not require security clearance, they allow PRs to work in it . -
The public/civil service also allows foreigners aka non-Singaporeans to work in non security sensitive jobs.Originally posted by Daddy!!:well, you were complaining that the government did not take care of its citizens. Now it is proven that you are wrong. It takes care of its citizens through employment in the public plus GLC and higher salaries there.
So I am afraid that the system does not really take care eitherway. It is just a matter of how many foreigner they choose to employ in non security sensitive jobs. -
yah lor .. got pple say a lot of PRC chinese teachers .. so obviously civil service can employ non Singapaporeans.Originally posted by fymk:The public/civil service also allows foreigners aka non-Singaporeans to work in non security sensitive jobs. -
We are not talking about the teaching profession per say. It is allowed even in the ministerial department that they allow foreigners as long as it is not security sensitive.Originally posted by Icemoon:yah lor .. got pple say a lot of PRC chinese teachers .. so obviously civil service can employ non Singapaporeans. -
Originally posted by robertteh:The MOM was smart to show such a muddled figure to dilute the actual unemployment rate of citizens because PM Lee has earlier on back in 2004 or thereabout told him to buck up on creating jobs as he would be judged on this performance.
Those citizens who were retrenched but still could not find jobs beyond a certain period were no longer included as unemployed so were not counted in the percentage of unemployed as well by just a slant of the statistics. That is why there is a common saying - statistics can tell lies.
So to survive in the ministerial job he has to be creative.
what's the use of being citizen? -
So that you may enter the United States without the need for a visa.Originally posted by xiaoxui:
what's the use of being citizen?
Hey that's a pretty big deal.
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How abt Sg PR? they having the same previlege as us? How to become US PR?Originally posted by LazerLordz:So that you may enter the United States without the need for a visa.
Hey that's a pretty big deal. -
If you are male, you get the privilege of serving NS.Originally posted by xiaoxui:
what's the use of being citizen?
If you are female, you get Baby bonus for having more kids.
Now who says, there aren't any benefits of being a Singapore citizen? -
and you are obliged to stand at attention when the national anthem is played.Originally posted by charlize:If you are male, you get the privilege of serving NS.
If you are female, you get Baby bonus for having more kids.
Now who says, there aren't any benefits of being a Singapore citizen? -
Heh I think it extends to pretty much to Uncle Sam's best friends.Originally posted by LazerLordz:So that you may enter the United States without the need for a visa.
Hey that's a pretty big deal.
So moral of the story: hold a passport of a country who is Uncle Sam's friend. -
And the privilege of saying the pledge.Originally posted by Icemoon:and you are obliged to stand at attention when the national anthem is played. -
Hey, I'm being serious here.
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The way things are done, I am thinking we're much more like Live Stocks... -
The above is the silliest thing a person can think of as a privilege. Sarcastic.Originally posted by charlize:If you are male, you get the privilege of serving NS.
If you are female, you get Baby bonus for having more kids.
Now who says, there aren't any benefits of being a Singapore citizen?