Cant Compete? Join the Army!!

• Gazelle

  4 Dec 07, 19:15

  If you think you dont have what it takes to compete with FT, join the army!!
  
• Spartans

  4 Dec 07, 19:16

  okay, do army welcome middle-age low skilled workers? Auntie and Uncles?
• Demonight

  4 Dec 07, 19:19

  no but they'll let u put women officers' panties over your head
• Nadare

  4 Dec 07, 19:24

  
• LazerLordz

  4 Dec 07, 19:28

  Not more disenchanted fellas for the Army..
• Gazelle

  4 Dec 07, 21:19

  Originally posted by LazerLordz:

  Not more disenchanted fellas for the Army..

  I hope so.
• royston_ang

  4 Dec 07, 23:46

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  If you think you dont have what it takes to compete with FT, join the army!!
  

  So when are you joining?
• Gazelle

  4 Dec 07, 23:54

  Originally posted by royston_ang:

  So when are you joining?

  I am a ciao geng how to join army!!
• Vampool

  5 Dec 07, 01:01

  worst place to join u get charged in DB
• Jontst78

  5 Dec 07, 10:57

  I was working for an advertising/media company that was pitching for the Army recuitment ads.
  
  The irony is, they wanted to stay far far away from the "Join the Army! we pay well!" tag line. which gave the planners a big headache, when males surveyed, the large majority cited money being the main reason to join any form of uniformed service.
• eagle

  5 Dec 07, 10:58

  Originally posted by Spartans:

  okay, do army welcome middle-age low skilled workers? Auntie and Uncles?

  seems like this valid question has been ignored by Gazelle again
• Gazelle

  5 Dec 07, 11:03

  Originally posted by Jontst78:

  I was working for an advertising/media company that was pitching for the Army recuitment ads.
  
  The irony is, they wanted to stay far far away from the "Join the Army! we pay well!" tag line. which gave the planners a big headache, when males surveyed, the large majority cited money being the main reason to join any form of uniformed service.

  I believe those who think they cant compete in the private sector they should consider becoming a civil servant. Pay might not be as high but it offers you stability.
• will4

  5 Dec 07, 11:06

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  I am a ciao geng how to join army!!

  What is ur vocation n rank in they army.
• Gazelle

  5 Dec 07, 11:10

  Originally posted by will4:

  What is ur vocation n rank in they army.

  I can only tell you that I work 8-5, 5 days a week.
  
  
• CX

  5 Dec 07, 11:19

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  I believe those who think they cant compete in the public sector they would consider becoming a civil servant. Pay might not be as high but it offers you stability.

  What makes you think that a public sector job is any less stressful than a private sector one?
  
  Its a common misconception really... A lot of my peers joined the public sector and its becoming quite clear that performance based appraisal is becoming the norm and if u screw one up, it can make a "so-so salary" into a "tragically underpaid salary".
  
  It hurts a lot to see one's colleague get an extra month's bonus for good performance and u get squat. Increments are also pegged to performance so u can really cry when u start comparing...
  
  Stability is also not that definite. If u swing over to the government gazettes, u will find that public officers do get dismissed from service... and thats not counting the ones that get asked to tender to "save face" for everyone.
  
  Last time, when there was pension and medical, it was a real solid place to be. Now? Its just another place to work for a living really...
  
  As for SAF, I think its quite dangerous too... They do not get to work till 62 by default... If an officer kena henta-kaki, then they will get asked to "move on"... and at 55, that's no joke man! Where to get another job?
  
  I guess after 9-11, there was a demand for "security managers" at some buildings and companies
• Jontst78

  5 Dec 07, 11:22

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  I believe those who think they cant compete in the private sector they should consider becoming a civil servant. Pay might not be as high but it offers you stability.

  Its a sad rationale. Personal perspective. Its not a matter of not being able to compete on skill level vs the FTs. Its a matter of the FTs costing less to an employer, than a Singaporean of the same skill level. Which has the effect of driving wages down. And amidst the risings costs across the board, your own citizens are going to feel marginalized and frustrated. Like dangling a carrot in front of your citizens but always ensuring its just an inch out of reach.
  
  And then what happens? Citizens sworn to protect and defend the land of FTs?
• fymk

  5 Dec 07, 11:24

  Actually the army should target FT - FT join the army NAO!
• eagle

  5 Dec 07, 11:25

  Originally posted by CX:

  What makes you think that a public sector job is any less stressful than a private sector one?
  
  Its a common misconception really... A lot of my peers joined the public sector and its becoming quite clear that performance based appraisal is becoming the norm and if u screw one up, it can make a "so-so salary" into a "tragically underpaid salary".

  I 2nd that
  
  And it has make office politics worse in the public sector, where people put down others badly so that they appear better, and thus get a higher bonus.
• Hellraiza

  5 Dec 07, 11:34

  People who sign on for money are, IMO, the worst.
• Gazelle

  5 Dec 07, 11:56

  Originally posted by Jontst78:

  Its a sad rationale. Personal perspective. Its not a matter of not being able to compete on skill level vs the FTs. Its a matter of the FTs costing less to an employer, than a Singaporean of the same skill level. Which has the effect of driving wages down. And amidst the risings costs across the board, your own citizens are going to feel marginalized and frustrated. Like dangling a carrot in front of your citizens but always ensuring its just an inch out of reach.
  
  And then what happens? Citizens sworn to protect and defend the land of FTs?

  if you ever give up hope, you should consider joining the army.
• de_middle

  5 Dec 07, 12:00

  
• Seven_Dragon

  5 Dec 07, 12:06

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  I can only tell you that I work 8-5, 5 days a week.
  
  

  CLERK
• Jontst78

  5 Dec 07, 12:08

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  if you ever give up hope, you should consider joining the army.

  Which brings us back to the question :
  
  

  Originally posted by Spartans:

  okay, do army welcome middle-age low skilled workers? Auntie and Uncles?

  Of if I do give up hope, have to do it before 21years of age? (or whichever age the SAF cap is)
• Gazelle

  5 Dec 07, 13:41

  Originally posted by Jontst78:

  Of if I do give up hope, have to do it before 21years of age? (or whichever age the SAF cap is)

  You dont need to be 21 and below to join the army.
  
  http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/careers/job_opportunities/dxo/positions/vacancies.html
• Jontst78

  5 Dec 07, 14:50

  Originally posted by Gazelle:

  You dont need to be 21 and below to join the army.
  
  http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/careers/job_opportunities/dxo/positions/vacancies.html

  You link isn't exactly Army/RSAF/RSN. Those are civilian positions within Ministry of Defence. Also, similar to many other Ministries (FA/Finance/Edu etc...) they are only taking Graduates for executive positions (There are some exceptions of course). Based on the link you provided.
  
  If a Good honours or Good Degree holder has a problem landing in the Pte sector, for whatever reason(e.g. losing out to FT). This country has a serious problem IMO.