not everyone has the knowledge to do accounts, tax etc..Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Next time is all computerize liao.
Scan one bar code and will record everything into the system. Not need to do all those ledgers etc.
u muz be an engineer right?Originally posted by stupidissmart:the real problem is attracting people to become engineer and scientist ba... engineer have poor pay, technically hard, study hardest, no life, get all the blame, poor prospect, keep up with technology, least appreciated person in a company. And private sectors r the one emplying engineers which is beyond the gov control.
Lawyers just file some paper and get to earn a month of hard work for an engineer. Accountant do routine job and get higher pay as well. Doctors get high pay and routine job too. Fiancial side also get better pay and lesser work than engineers.
If I got a child, I will tell him never become an engineer
Hu Jin Tao of China did a wonderful job as a leader because of his training as an engineer. Engineer can plan out all the industries to invest in which really make progress for a country.Originally posted by lpx88:I think it's the way lawyers think and analyse information that make them better candidates to take up a political position. Not sure about accountants though. But yea those in the science and tech sector are key to growth in the economy.
The prospect will be good, if you stay in one company long enough.Originally posted by stupidissmart:actually u r not wrongI am an engineer
compare with lawyers, doctors, fiancial side people, accountants, sales etc, engineer is the one tat has poor prospect
Actually, I'm an engineer from IT firm.Originally posted by browniebaobao:u muz be an engineer right?
so far i never met an engineer who tells me that engineers got poor pay, poor prospect etc..
To be fair, I wouldn't exactly say engineers have poor prospects - well, not on a global scale anyway and I'm trained as an engineer myself. As a matter of fact, the issue of prospects you discussed here is more an issue of interpersonal skills than technical expertise.Originally posted by Jontst78:Actually, I'm an engineer from IT firm.
My take, be an engineer only if you really enjoy what you are doing as an engineer. Its true, engineers will always lose out a little, in terms of prospects. People managers are the ones that come out tops. An Engineer will always answer to a people manager (Proj Mangrs, consultant, Director, CEO).
If an engineer does become a consultant, people management skills are still essential.
Edit: Its after all about delivering technology to be used by people. People skills are essential.
Move out of SG lorOriginally posted by stupidissmart:actually u r not wrongI am an engineer
compare with lawyers, doctors, fiancial side people, accountants, sales etc, engineer is the one tat has poor prospect
Agreed.Originally posted by walesa:To be fair, I wouldn't exactly say engineers have poor prospects - well, not on a global scale anyway and I'm trained as an engineer myself. As a matter of fact, the issue of prospects you discussed here is more an issue of interpersonal skills than technical expertise.
While much of what you say is true, an awful lot ultimately comes down to the individual's personal attributes and aptitude that determine how far he/she goes. If you need any motivation, folks like Rex Tillerson (ExxonMobil CEO), Arun Sarin (Vodafone CEO), Jeroen van der Veer(Shell CEO) and John Thain (Merrill Lynch CEO) are living testaments to trained engineers being able leaders and successful people managers.
From what I have observed about the particular group of people you mentioned, much of their less-than-impressive prospects stem from the career paths they pursue where they have an inclination to view assailing in the direction of technical management (instead of holistic and general management) as the viable career option to pursue. In that respect, it is certainly not their training as an engineer that has held them back.
A canadian IT NMC was setting up shop here in SG. I spoke to the HR agent doing their legwork. A comment from the hiring director was "Damn hard to find articulate and business minded engineers here in SG."Originally posted by elindra:Move out of SG lor
Engineers are much better appreciated and much much higher pay overseas
It is considered a Profession there and not one who do sai kan
That, unfortunately, is a societal issue as much as anything. Having worked with people from all walks of life and other parts of the world, a mindset they seem to have against Asians (people raised in Asia, rather than those who are of an Asian ethnicity) is that such people are often monotonous and have a tendency to "go by the book". While that invariably translates to Asians being fancied if a job required the monotonous reproduction of a given process (ie. Asians are more hardworking and efficient in that regard), they are often overlooked for roles where ingenuity and autonomy are required.Originally posted by Jontst78:Agreed.
My point was, even trained as an engineer, career advancement in general (there are some exceptions e.g. R&D) requires the individual to have interpersonal skills to complement the engineering expertise.
I have seen engineers' careers stagnate due to their inability to relate to the layman with what they were doing. Some of them are happy that way, there are those who rather talk to machines than to another human being, at a professional level.
If you have worked in the Americas (I don't just mean the US, but also parts of North and South America), Europe or Australia, you'll experience a completely different culture.I think the problem lies with what sort of regime that is ruling the people.
Well, you've got to understand some things are not that easily understood by a vast majority of those subjected to excessive propaganda inundation by a press ranked 141st for press freedom.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I think the problem lies with what sort of regime that is ruling the people.
Autocratic rule or more relaxed rule.
High level of State intervention in people's lives vs non state intervention.
That is the root of the problem.
Well, you've got to understand some things are not that easily understood by a vast majority of those subjected to excessive propaganda inundation by a press ranked 141st for press freedomThat is why I stay far far away from the Singapore mainstream propaganda media.
Actually I acredit the mindsets to the education system in the 70s and 80s, even to the early 90s.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:That is why I stay far far away from the Singapore mainstream propaganda media.
This mainstream media is a brain numbing destructive force in my view.
the prospect will depend on many factors. don think everything so pink and rosy, next time you stay 30yrs in a company and still considered a nobody then you say...Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:The prospect will be good, if you stay in one company long enough.