Will our country be colonised by China one day?
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Now I know you ish Jolin right!!!..Originally posted by FireIce:male, female, sha sha fen bu qing chu
singapore, china, sha sha fen bu qing chu
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colonised by China one day?
does it matter?
who will colonised who, doesnt matter to me anymore.
amitaba and ahmen
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I do sympathize with Singaporean. By default "Singaporean" is not a Race as yet. Right now Singaporean is just an experience” 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Singaporean is by products of the experiences.Originally posted by Gun:Precisely.
Why there is such un-found fear of the foreign challenges who seek to learn, speak and be successful on this little Isle?
I have no idea what exactly is the intend of this thread is for other than spred ill-wills and create another useless troll on anything that borders on anti-Chineses or Sino-phobic.
Modern Singapore has always been a shade of many colours and creed. Fact is it is constantly being challenged by many who sees no logical ground for its prosperity and continued existence.
That IMO, is a miracle by its own account made possible by son and daughters of past immigrants from those ancient lands.
So why afraid of the Chinese?
The problem isn't about afraid of Chinese the problem is that ethnic Chinese from oversea unable to distinct 2nd and 3rd generation Singaporean Chinese as Singaporean, which represent the Sum of multi ethnicity, which in terms draw conclusion outside the collective of the Chinese culture. These create a multiple personality disorder of identity for acceptance. (Remember the Wen issue.
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And i am sure there are political correctness to argue over this topics but what is also true through the 40 odd years history of SG is that every generation Singaporean who grew up in Singapore will have to defined Singaporean and there will be this opposite poles pulling depending on family upbringing.
And hopfully family up bringing will become the sanctity of our diverse culture. Because family can choose the multi ethnic value to live by and bring our next generation. -
If you look at it this way, this fear of colonisation is indirectly showing that there is a subconscious Singaporean identity being felt by many people.
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FCUK CHINA, NEVER SHALL WE FALL OR BOW DOWN TO THEM!
THE SAF IS STRONG ENOUGH TO PROTECT US, I WILL PERSONALLY KILL THE MOTHER FCUKERS IF THEY TRY TO TOUCH THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY OF OURS!
YOU WILL SEE THE TRUE FORCE OF THE SAF ONLY IN TIMES OF DANGER, EACH OF US CAN TAKE ON A HUNDRED!
SAF: THE DECISIVE FORCE -
each china man give one spit and all singaporeans will drown liaoOriginally posted by infantry:FCUK CHINA, NEVER SHALL WE FALL OR BOW DOWN TO THEM!
THE SAF IS STRONG ENOUGH TO PROTECT US, I WILL PERSONALLY KILL THE MOTHER FCUKERS IF THEY TRY TO TOUCH THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY OF OURS!
YOU WILL SEE THE TRUE FORCE OF THE SAF ONLY IN TIMES OF DANGER, EACH OF US CAN TAKE ON A HUNDRED!
SAF: THE DECISIVE FORCE -
no leh....dun nid to pollute South China Sea and Johor strait....each indonesian spit already can drown us already...Originally posted by FireIce:each china man give one spit and all singaporeans will drown liao -
u painted such a nice picture of SAF soldiers...y not u take the lead and kill HUNDRED enemy for us?Originally posted by infantry:FCUK CHINA, NEVER SHALL WE FALL OR BOW DOWN TO THEM!
THE SAF IS STRONG ENOUGH TO PROTECT US, I WILL PERSONALLY KILL THE MOTHER FCUKERS IF THEY TRY TO TOUCH THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY OF OURS!
YOU WILL SEE THE TRUE FORCE OF THE SAF ONLY IN TIMES OF DANGER, EACH OF US CAN TAKE ON A HUNDRED!
SAF: THE DECISIVE FORCE -
Originally posted by FireIce:each china man give one spit and all singaporeans will drown liao
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wasn't S'pore colonized by Chinese to be begin with?
do you believe your grandpa and grandpa just magically appeared out of stones on S'pore soil? -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Yeap.
I do sympathize with Singaporean. By default "Singaporean" is not a Race as yet. Right now Singaporean is just an experience” 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Singaporean is by products of the experiences.
The problem isn't about afraid of Chinese the problem is that ethnic Chinese from oversea unable to distinct 2nd and 3rd generation Singaporean Chinese as Singaporean, which represent the Sum of multi ethnicity, which in terms draw conclusion outside the collective of the Chinese culture. These create a multiple personality disorder of identity for acceptance. (Remember the Wen issue.
"Singaporean" is not a race and there will never be. You might even apply the same concept to the "Chinese". Surprising huh?
As I had stated in another thread, it is very difficult to define Chinese as a "race" when the its civilization/culture encompasses wide spectrum of different dialects groups, ethnicity, practices, clan, geo-political inclination, religions, era and time.
We know China is not ethnically homogeneous country, even though over 90% are ethnic "Han".
We know SÂ’pore is not a ethnically homogeneous country, even thought over 70% are ethnic "Chinese".
See the trend here? And the similarity ends here also.
Another is how one feel accepted in a new host country.
Classic example is the Indonesian Chinese who were, until lately, considered outsiders by Jakarta which attempts to assimilate them for many decades. They speak fluent Bahasa Indonesia and consider themselves Indonesian. But they know who they are culturally and many kept their fore-father's dialect language alive.
Another is Thai-Chinese. They were less discriminated and, ironically, easily assimilated into the Thai mainstream society while retaining their distinctive Chinese-denominator.
See the similarity under vastly differing situation?
Chinese were treated differently in both countries and yet both Chinese disporsa are still able to survive and even flourish.
Question here is not just about if you are born 3rd,4th or 5th generation of a land, but about your allegiance, the attachment, and how governing authority treated you.
Get the idea?
PS: I am curious what is your "Wen issue" about? Are you referring to another thread (http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=292749) which I am still awaiting your clarifications -
China colonises sg one day?
- just 4 fun my answer is this:
Why not - but it can only happen if you answer yes to my next question:
Can a sumo wrestler (China) be able & willing to wear a bikini (Sg)? -
its not so bad actually, just the end of Singaporeans loh.
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I think the voice of people in this forum are speaking up it does not want to be assimilated into a totally Chinese culture even though it is Chinese majority.Originally posted by Gun:Yeap.
"Singaporean" is not a race and there will never be. You might even apply the same concept to the "Chinese". Surprising huh?
As I had stated in another thread, it is very difficult to define Chinese as a "race" when the its civilization/culture encompasses wide spectrum of different dialects groups, ethnicity, practices, clan, geo-political inclination, religions, era and time.
We know China is not ethnically homogeneous country, even though over 90% are ethnic "Han".
We know SÂ’pore is not a ethnically homogeneous country, even thought over 70% are ethnic "Chinese".
See the trend here? And the similarity ends here also.
Another is how one feel accepted in a new host country.
Classic example is the Indonesian Chinese who were, until lately, considered outsiders by Jakarta which attempts to assimilate them for many decades. They speak fluent Bahasa Indonesia and consider themselves Indonesian. But they know who they are culturally and many kept their fore-father's dialect language alive.
Another is Thai-Chinese. They were less discriminated and, ironically, easily assimilated into the Thai mainstream society while retaining their distinctive Chinese-denominator.
See the similarity under vastly differing situation?
Chinese were treated differently in both countries and yet both Chinese disporsa are still able to survive and even flourish.
Question here is not just about if you are born 3rd,4th or 5th generation of a land, but about your allegiance, the attachment, and how governing authority treated you.
Get the idea?
PS: I am curious what is your "Wen issue" about? Are you referring to another thread (http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=292749) which I am still awaiting your clarifications
And yes it is both the government dictate and most importantly allowing Singaporean to evolve.
I believe “officially” recognized ethnic groups within PRC 56 groups. But I do believe u can’t just stop there without considered that china has 5000 years to evolve in all characteristics of a homogenous multi ethinic group that range from political, foreign influence, language to everyday social interaction.
There are dialectic groups that are spoken differently but share written roots characters. Their holidays reflect its rich history they did not come up with national holidays that are foreign in origin. And I am sure there are many more to bring about a characteristics of a nation.
If you review China in both modern and old history, with all foreign influence, did they ever come up a 2nd or 3rd foreign language in China?
China has also managed to assimilate most foreigners that creep into its territorial. That in itself reflect social behavior of a higher culture abilities to bring about conformance and assimilation of a weaker social structure society.
ThatÂ’s why I bring about SG is just an experiences as sg history does not have depth. There is a risk of being cannibalized socially
Singapore run a different platform altogether, The psyche of a nation that start up recognizing and accepting it as a multi ethnic society. At least in “principle” it accept, irregardless of gov practice, by stating itself as a multi racial society, it does not assimilate but seek acceptance of status quo and seek mutual respect. Its education and socially it recognized different races, and preservation of the differences.
Does it evolved. Yes. Intermarriages and many different nationalities mingle, generations down will choose and decide how Sg will evolved probably to a more homogenous groups that is closer to its geographical location if Singapore exist.
The Wen issue in this context of culture is not so much of “What” he said? But “Why” he even bother to bring the subject of Culture into power play. The Chinese for decade have play cold war politics in the UN with the US and Soviet. They know the international game more than LHL.
Culturally if you want to consider the application of using relationship and ethnic ties to bend its influence on Singapore and applying conformance, is how chinese communicate or is it just a tactics to achieve WenÂ’s political objectives. And I am saying it is more of a tactics than a culturally move. -
i think it may have already being colonized by china. geez aren't you lot chinese?
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Colonised by China? With the number of losers running loose in this forum, we may well become colonized by apes
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What kind of question is that? We have long been 'colonised' by China. If you are a Chinese, remember where your forefathers came from.Originally posted by Honeybunz:what do you think ?
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Chinas interests lies with getting back what was taken from them ie Taiwan, HK
China isnt even interested in us
Its us that are interested in China They have HK too and will probably be more interested in making HK more competitive than colonizing our powerful country. -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
I think the voice of people in this forum are speaking up it does not want to be assimilated into a totally Chinese culture even though it is Chinese majority.
Well, that's what you prefer to "think".
However, is there any case in Singapore when someone was asked or forced to be "assimilated" by any culture?
Correction.
I believe “officially” recognized ethnic groups within PRC 56 groups. But I do believe u can’t just stop there without considered that china has 5000 years to evolve in all characteristics of a homogenous multi ethinic group that range from political, foreign influence, language to everyday social interaction.
There is no such thing as "homogenous multi ethnic" group. You can either not both at the same time.
As I already had said, China is not homogeneous (read "multi ethnic") country.
It had never been this way. Even the Chinese historian and current government acknowledge the ethnic diversity of China. What you see in "commonest" of Chinese is a shared history and a common written system which itself had evolved over time. No one says you should "speak" Mandarin in a certain manner or must-covert to "Chinese"...etc.
Nope. There had never been a "foreign language" in China.
If you review China in both modern and old history, with all foreign influence, did they ever come up a 2nd or 3rd foreign language in China? China has also managed to assimilate most foreigners that creep into its territorial. That in itself reflect social behavior of a higher culture abilities to bring about conformance and assimilation of a weaker social structure society.
Why? Coz there are already many ethnic minorities and dialects groups, nor does China attempts policy of "assimilation" as you had asserted. Please provide a historical reference which sugguest "assimilation" in the Chinese history.
As for your concept of "higher culture abilities" overtaken by "weaker social structure society", that is a cruel fact evolution in human civilisaiton and its culture. Overtime, certain less-prosperour and estabished langaug, culture or praceticves will be lost. This is unavoidable and occurs since the earliest time.
Again, I am trying to decypher your statement. What's "cannibalized socially"???
ThatÂ’s why I bring about SG is just an experiences as sg history does not have depth. There is a risk of being cannibalized socially
You had read to much into a simple reference to Chinese history as in "culture". Hope I am wrong, but I see a tint of sino-phobia here
The Wen issue in this context of culture is not so much of “What” he said? But “Why” he even bother to bring the subject of Culture into power play. The Chinese for decade have play cold war politics in the UN with the US and Soviet. They know the international game more than LHL.
This is relate to another thread which I am still awaiting clarificaiton from you to Wen's comment during his visit.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=292749
Ah! All nations are motivated to make polictical/tactical/strategic maneuves to enhance one's own survival and self-interest. That is taken.
Culturally if you want to consider the application of using relationship and ethnic ties to bend its influence on Singapore and applying conformance, is how chinese communicate or is it just a tactics to achieve WenÂ’s political objectives. And I am saying it is more of a tactics than a culturally move.
However, each nation approach differs and is dependent how each nation sees itself in the world and Global perception of a given country. You can observe that in public words used by a US President, the Chinese Premier, or any other HOS. They have a speicifc agenda to make and share.
If I were to take your suggestion that Wen's reference to Chinese history as a "tactic", then what you observed is "Soft Power" in action.
That "Soft power" projection had worked well for Beijing since 97' financial crisis in Asia and become more effective globally since post-9/11 when Bush administration squendered their moral potential after they screwed up on Iraq and their so-called anti-terrorism policies.
US has aliened many of her allies from UK to Australia.
You can't say the same for China at this juncture.
So will Singaproe be "colonised" by China? I don't think so.
Just ask the Australian new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN42pk7eozk -
then if each China man urinates in S'pore...our island will vanish and remain submerge in eternity.Originally posted by sg mata:
What I dislike is the uncouth and permissive chinese women soliciting and prostituting in S'pore.With cheap budget airlines they're coming in droves and despite the anti vice raids,it has never been able to put a stop to these activities.Just read the wanbao,many sensationalised stories normally very bad images..eg false marriages,3rd party,causes of broken marriages,pei du mama,bribery,.....etc
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singapore is already chinese fyi
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Let us just say that ugly women tend to fantasize about being raped.
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I already said in my past thread, they get PR very easy. And more people are coming. The Indian is also invading. Everywhere you will see Indian people. Nobody believe until too late. Sooner, public services would be taken over by them if they still think they have iron bowl.
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Dun give a damn whether who the hell is ruling this country. So long majority have a job, stable income and a safe place to live in, I really dun care if it is PAP or the PRC ruling.
WE sporean dont really even have a unique culture to begin with so for what I care about who is ruling spore so long as they are able to rule this land well. -
the process of colonisation is usually done thru' coercion and by force, never by friendly means.
however, in SG case, it is the decision of a single family that permit this mass influx of FTs into SG. and the parliament stood by and watch SG sinks.
somewhat reminded me of WU SAN GUI opening the gate of SAN HAI GUAN.