Are you able to tell me who took up the 172,400 jobs created
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Hi,
This is a litmus test to see is there ANY soul out there on this planet
who really knows of the reported 172,400 jobs created,
how many are taken up by Foreigners, Laborers, Factory workers, PR (meaning non singaporeans) or citizen ?
At 1st glance, the news is GLORIOUS.
At closer look,
lo and behold!
I realised I am reading at a figure that does not tell me the details. Not even a simple percentage breakdown of x% of jobs were taken up by PRs, FTs and Foreign Laborers and Y% taken up by singaporeans.
Correct me if you are able.
How are so-called educated singaporeans reading and interpreting the news?
What a glorious piece of news! -
well, before you condemn, can you?
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i'm sure more than 70% of the jobs was taken up by foreigners..
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just walking around on the grounds around raffles MRT, the number of foreigners out number the number of locals.
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numbers numbers..
you guys want to argue, do it right..
you want to hit the MIW, get the figures...
else anyone can talk about these things and they'll have no impact..
heck! already facts have little impact on the MIW, what do you think mere 'observation' and conjecture and 'looks like...' have?
go get the proper figures.. if you cannot find out, go to the MOM and ask..
else, like the other topic which suggested taking the ministers' pay to give to the low-wage earners is just a lot of hot air.. sounds good.. sounds right.. but it's just a bunch of mice agreeing that to tie a bell around the cat is the way to go.. -
Singapore needs less parasidic foreigners around. That's all I ask.
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I need 100 people to pick up litter at East Coast Park.
Voila, I created 100 jobs.
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Wah! So Clever!Originally posted by charlize:I need 100 people to pick up litter at East Coast Park.
Voila, I created 100 jobs. -
Hey , I observe that you and fireice will jump out and try to attack TS messages whenever the TRUTH hurts?Originally posted by the Bear:numbers numbers..
you guys want to argue, do it right..
you want to hit the MIW, get the figures...
else anyone can talk about these things and they'll have no impact..
heck! already facts have little impact on the MIW, what do you think mere 'observation' and conjecture and 'looks like...' have?
go get the proper figures.. if you cannot find out, go to the MOM and ask..
else, like the other topic which suggested taking the ministers' pay to give to the low-wage earners is just a lot of hot air.. sounds good.. sounds right.. but it's just a bunch of mice agreeing that to tie a bell around the cat is the way to go..
Dun make your stands too clear.
The forummers in sgforums may not like your attitudes of attacking TS asking logical questions.
btw,
What effort have we seen our Opposition in asking this on our behalf?
What has the so-called Opposition done in this aspect?
You ask us to ask the MOM.
Why don't you 1st go ask your MOM?
Why don't Sylvia Lim go and ask the MOM?
Why don't Low Tia Kiang go and ask the MOM?
Why don't Chiam See Tong go and ask MOM?
How many decades does it take to get the figures?
What is the EFFICIENCY?
Why don't the MPs and Ministers go and ask the MOM?
Afterall, the People are relying on them to get things done and given them certain mandate and power to do work for the people.
So-called educated like so great singaporeans, what have you got to say?
and, Bear, answer me, CAN YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH? -
how can there be answers when answers are not provided..?
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In june, a lot of uni and poly students graduate and are unemployed. Usually by september, most of them would have found a job though. (but lousy job) They just do one job, then switch when a better job comes along.
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Remark about foreign workers.
http://news.asiaone.com/News/The%2BStraits%2BTimes/Story/A1Story20071215-41219.html -
If the relevant statistics are not publicly available, it could mean that the government is not ready to release them. Of course, it is our right to question why they aren't.
Some MPs will definitely request MOM to provide these figures when Parliament convenes again. -
Of course it is not your right to question. After all, you have no rights in a fascist regime...Originally posted by marcolow:If the relevant statistics are not publicly available, it could mean that the government is not ready to release them. Of course, it is our right to question why they aren't. -
The fark do you all think, the FAP cares for us??? -
Ngiam Tong Dow is right, government statistics lie. It is far better to go to ask the people how is their lives now as compared with the earlier years of the 1970s. All the statistics and numbers are just window dressing and no more.Originally posted by the Bear:numbers numbers..
you guys want to argue, do it right..
you want to hit the MIW, get the figures...
else anyone can talk about these things and they'll have no impact..
heck! already facts have little impact on the MIW, what do you think mere 'observation' and conjecture and 'looks like...' have?
go get the proper figures.. if you cannot find out, go to the MOM and ask..
else, like the other topic which suggested taking the ministers' pay to give to the low-wage earners is just a lot of hot air.. sounds good.. sounds right.. but it's just a bunch of mice agreeing that to tie a bell around the cat is the way to go..
So do not act supercilious or expect people to believe in MOM's number for a long long time especially after so many numbers from NKF were all wrong. -
Figures from MOM?Originally posted by the Bear:numbers numbers..
you guys want to argue, do it right..
you want to hit the MIW, get the figures...
else anyone can talk about these things and they'll have no impact..
heck! already facts have little impact on the MIW, what do you think mere 'observation' and conjecture and 'looks like...' have?
go get the proper figures.. if you cannot find out, go to the MOM and ask..
else, like the other topic which suggested taking the ministers' pay to give to the low-wage earners is just a lot of hot air.. sounds good.. sounds right.. but it's just a bunch of mice agreeing that to tie a bell around the cat is the way to go..
They will tell you that the number of Singaporean residents gaining jobs but not differentiate between a FT, PR and a Citizen. All of these three are considered residents .
If you ask them to break down the numbers, I don't think they would .
I tried asking a government ministry statistics on Singaporean citizens for a project I was doing several years back - I got refused under the premise that it was confidential. The topic was health related statistics , not even about national defence. -
I think there are at least several 100's of 1000's of PRs ? not even considering Foreign workers who are non PR?Originally posted by mistyblue:just walking around on the grounds around raffles MRT, the number of foreigners out number the number of locals.
can someone confirm this assumption is correct? -
There were about 50000 PR last year.Originally posted by reddressman:I think there are at least several 100's of 1000's of PRs ? not even considering Foreign workers who are non PR?
can someone confirm this assumption is correct? -
I would like to assume that you are saying that you agree with me that some important facts are poorly missing and that this piece of info is of interest to singaporeans, i.e citizens, but due to some unexplanable reasons, no democratic singaporean have made strong enough effort to request for the information (RFI). And the most ashtonishing thing to me about democracy de singapura is that the so-called Opposition continuously failed to achieve digging out this piece of info for the people who supported them.Originally posted by 4getmenot:how can there be answers when answers are not provided..?
My feet were all mud and I lost my voice and I had clapped until my hands cannot clapped anymore during the rallies.
What is the REALITY of Opposition?
what pragmatism. -
And may I request that you enlighten me your source of information ?Originally posted by will4:There were about 50000 PR last year. -
It was in one of the newspaper article but the figure of 50000 if not wrong is for those people who took PR in Spore. The overall figure for PR could beOriginally posted by reddressman:And may I request that you enlighten me your source of information ?
higher. -
That makes a world of difference!Originally posted by will4:It was in one of the newspaper article but the figure of 50000 if not wrong is for those people who took PR in Spore. The overall figure for PR could be
higher.
I have this thinking.....comment if you like....
PR has a criteria : need a job.
But I am not sure after 1 job or contract, after how long from thereon will a jobless PR 's PR status be revoked? And are there examples of PR license being revoked due to long time out of job?
Assuming all PRs are PRs because their employers applied for them the PR , and given them jobs, which means jobs created in sg is taken up by them, one reason being employers enjoy paying less for self profitability, then
I think the number of jobs taken by PRs can be deduced by the number of PRs existing in sg.
Then, out of the jobs created, this number is taken by them. We can even factor in a 5% jobless PR rate to get a more accurate estimation.
However, please be aware that jobs are not just occupied by PRs.
Jobs created are simply jobs created. They can be occupied by any soul.
Meaning, jobs created can also be taken up by foreigners who are non PRs.
And I would suspect this is even larger figure.
And to clarify, I assume jobs created include dish washer , toilet cleaners and pang gopis and pest busting experts.
Thus, this is also one of the reasons why I am surprised that the so-called highly educated sigaporeans nebber question the reported figures and let this trend exist since the beginning of sg time.
And the Opposition....oh my gawd...the Opposition...I doont even wanna mention this word anymore....
REAL or not? -
This is the reason subsidy for PR in medical is going to be lessened next year.Originally posted by reddressman:That makes a world of difference!
Foreigners will no longer get subsidized medical treatment next year. -
I not sure whether to become a PR need job but for those existing PR, they need to extend their PR at immigration. In order to extend PR, they needOriginally posted by reddressman:That makes a world of difference!
I have this thinking.....comment if you like....
PR has a criteria : need a job.
But I am not sure after 1 job or contract, after how long from thereon will a jobless PR 's PR status be revoked? And are there examples of PR license being revoked due to long time out of job?
Assuming all PRs are PRs because their employers applied for them the PR , and given them jobs, which means jobs created in sg is taken up by them, one reason being employers enjoy paying less for self profitability, then
I think the number of jobs taken by PRs can be deduced by the number of PRs existing in sg.
Then, out of the jobs created, this number is taken by them. We can even factor in a 5% jobless PR rate to get a more accurate estimation.
However, please be aware that jobs are not just occupied by PRs.
Jobs created are simply jobs created. They can be occupied by any soul.
Meaning, jobs created can also be taken up by foreigners who are non PRs.
And I would suspect this is even larger figure.
And to clarify, I assume jobs created include dish washer , toilet cleaners and pang gopis and pest busting experts.
Thus, this is also one of the reasons why I am surprised that the so-called highly educated sigaporeans nebber question the reported figures and let this trend exist since the beginning of sg time.
And the Opposition....oh my gawd...the Opposition...I doont even wanna mention this word anymore....
REAL or not?
to have a job or letter of appointment from respective employers that they
already working. Never heard of PR getting their PR revoked cause not working but got read report PR getting their PR revoked cause committing offences.