Attention Singaporeans! Time To Wake Up!
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Yeah, the bear is right.
Where is the source?
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Attention Singaporeans! Time To Wake Up!
havent woken up long ago,
but there isn't much we can do either...lets just wait for the next election.. -
You, ha ha, sometimes I doubt your credibility!Originally posted by the Bear:btw.. i was being gentle..
not citing your sources can open you up to legal action...
if you insist on not citing your source, it's your call.. and that is YOUR FREEDOM TO do something... which may remove YOUR FREEDOM FROM being sued..
and you idiots seem to see people as pro or anti-MIW..
i'm neither.. i'm pro-good sense..
when the MIW makes sense i'll say it.. if the opposition makes sense, i'll say it..
however, if the MIW screws around, i'll say it too.. and if the opposition screws up, i will too..
i have no loyalties to any party.. my only loyalty is to my country..
political parties are not the country.. and it's high time you semi-sentient idiots infecting SC learn that...
and it's high time you people learn that the country is much more important than petty things like party loyalty...
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you're kidding right?Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:I happen to come across this article, read it, and yeah it make sense. So copied here and share with my fellow Singaporeans.
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I am disappointed to read response like, "there is nothing we can do", "there is not much we can do". This is no wonder PAP sucks big time and are getting to their peak of taking advantage on the locals. Majority of the people here just don't be bothered. Worst, the 66.6% voted for more crap, oppression from PAP.
If you people don't wanna do anything but just say what can we do, then the whole nation is going to be doomed in the hand of PAP. They have already interfering into our private life by working out plan to get us to buy annuity for our old age.
What do you mean there is nothing you can do? You can do, you need to make up your mind to be firm and bold to vote them out.
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Please state the source.Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:I happen to come across this article, read it, and yeah it make sense. So copied here and share with my fellow Singaporeans.
1. SingaporeÂ’s economic growth miracle of the 1960s-90s came mostly from added inputs, not from growth in productivity.
Hong Kong Singapore
Average growth p.a., 1960-85 6% 6%
Worker productivity increase, 1970-90 150% 100%
Savings rate 1970-90 20% 40%
Change in output per unit of capital, 1970-90 0% -50% source
In other words, Singapore had to invest twice as much as HK to produce the same level of output. To compensate for the poor productivity and diminishing returns of investments directed by the state, its people had to save twice as much as Hongkongers, and consume less. Pathetic.
2. The Singaporean people do not really have the fundamental right to make their own investments. The Singapore government forces people to hand over up to 40% of their net income, and it invests most of it as it sees fit. The government “allows” people to individually direct only a small part of these forced savings (mainly into non-voting shares in state-owned enterprises). The government tells Singaporeans how lucky they are to be “allowed” to choose to use their savings for education, home purchase, medical coverage, etc – as if the money weren’t theirs in the first place. Pathetic.
3. This is therefore a planned economy, in which civil servants attempt to pick winners. As well as (mis)managing its people’s savings, Singapore’s government also arranges subsidies to encourage favoured industries. Needless to say, these subsidies are at the expense of other industries. For example, the rest of the economy has subsidized forex traders and fund managers (the last people who need a subsidy) in order to push Singapore higher up the list of international forex trading and fund management centers. The government sells this to its people as a “success”. Meanwhile, the government is ordering its state-owned business to expand beyond the little city state. In their desperation to become regional players, they are paying over the odds for assets of doubtful quality. Pathetic.
4. One big mistake made by the controllers of the Singaporean economy was to maintain a large manufacturing sector long after factories would otherwise have been moved to lower-cost sites (as they did in Hong Kong in the 1980s-90s). They have put their peopleÂ’s wealth into direct investment into local manufacturers, or into tax breaks and other subsidies for inward manufacturing investment. It is therefore left with a large and increasingly unviable manufacturing base in such loser industries as semiconductors. Pathetic.
5. Faced with such mismanagement, most people would complain. Not Singaporeans. Their government effectively controls the media and runs a highly effective PR campaign aimed at convincing the people the government is wonderful. Many sincerely believe it. Those who donÂ’t fall for it keep quiet, or wish they had. The few people who dare to speak out suffer reduced career prospects or even spurious legal action. Unlike Hongkongers, Singaporeans have no right, in practice, to walk down the street handing out anti-government leaflets and shouting anti-government slogans. It is a crime to speak in public without a permit. Pathetic.
6. Democracy is impossible without free speech. Singapore is therefore no more a democracy than Hong Kong (where the government is appointed by Beijing). However, Hong Kong at least allows an opposition to exist openly, and to present its views in independent media, without fear of persecution or harassment. In Singapore, opposition politicians who ask awkward questions can be (and have been) sued for libel by ruling politicians and convicted (and bankrupted) by a judiciary that mysteriously consistently sides with the government. Neighbourhoods that vote in low numbers for the ruling party receive lower government funding for public facilities in retaliation for their lack of gratitude – in flagrant violation of the basic democratic principle that the government is accountable to all its people, not just its voters. Pathetic.
7. Singapore’s ‘father figure” is Lee Kuan Yew. One of his interests is eugenics. He believes that a more-intelligent population can be achieved through selective breeding, and at one stage Singapore encouraged people with high educational levels to marry each other, and it offered financial incentives for them to have children. (After hearing his ideas during a state visit, Britain’s Princess Anne said, “Well, Mr Lee, it doesn’t work with horses.”) Social engineering continues today, with the government, which used to go to great lengths to encourage people to have fewer babies, begging them to have more “if they can afford it”. This means “unless you’re Malay”. Singapore’s schools systematically leave Malays disadvantaged and stuck in low-paying jobs. They have also tried to attract more (Chinese) immigrants from Hong Kong. Don’t all rush. Pathetic.
8. Singapore is famous for not being corrupt. It is true that if you are Lee Kuan Yew’s eldest son you can become brigadier general after just five years in the army, and six months later you can become a member of parliament, and soon after that you can become deputy prime minister. And then become the PM!!! And if you are the eldest son’s wife, you can be put in charge of the state holding company (it holds key interests in 40% of the stock market by market cap). And if you’re Lee’s number-two son, you can run the main Telecoms company. But that’s not corruption, or nepotism. That’s “meritocracy”. (No, that's pathetic.)
9. Cosmopolitan magazine
is banned. Pathetic.
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how we can kick them out? very simple, we can exercise our power by voting in more oppositions MPs, "ka ka Lai, my kia" I know singaporeans talk only, scare this scare that, complain this complain that, scare oppositions cant perform, scare they are low quality, why they are low quality?Because the PAP say so, and you believe!! So in the end, vote PAP lah, then dont complain their ministers salary very high, because they dont corrupt, so must take high salary, this is what they sayOriginally posted by HyperFocal:Crap! This is old news!
Tell us something we don't already know!
...better still, how we can all kick them out!! -
We need more opposition MPs in parliament to put pressure on the PAP ruling clique.
I will vote for opposition. -
thats provided ur place is not a walkover like many places...
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Don't worry. We have a Wise government. The people of Singapore paid the government to do a good job. Their performances are so far so godd. The Ministers are getting more pay soon (so that they can perform even better). Next year we shall pay them more. We shall pay and pay them more for the growth of Singapore. The more we pay them the more Singapore will grow. Don't worry. Opposition at the moment cannot do much. We don't need the opposition for the time being as they are not performing not unless the people of Singapore pay them too.
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tell you, singaporeans kiasu kiasi like the PAP. Complain complain complain, in the end vote for PAP and then complain complain complain again. Hopeless!Originally posted by t_a_s:how we can kick them out? very simple, we can exercise our power by voting in more oppositions MPs, "ka ka Lai, my kia" I know singaporeans talk only, scare this scare that, complain this complain that, scare oppositions cant perform, scare they are low quality, why they are low quality?Because the PAP say so, and you believe!! So in the end, vote PAP lah, then dont complain their ministers salary very high, because they dont corrupt, so must take high salary, this is what they say -
hello, do you know what you are talking? I don't understand you.Originally posted by Nato:Don't worry. We have a Wise government. The people of Singapore paid the government to do a good job. Their performances are so far so godd. The Ministers are getting more pay soon (so that they can perform even better). Next year we shall pay them more. We shall pay and pay them more for the growth of Singapore. The more we pay them the more Singapore will grow. Don't worry. Opposition at the moment cannot do much. We don't need the opposition for the time being as they are not performing not unless the people of Singapore pay them too. -
tell me something new.
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I think this persistent demand for credibility and source means it must hit a few raw nerves. We can judge based on the facts written by the article, regardless of the author.Originally posted by airgrinder:Please state the source.
If this is the exact way the article is publish, then I don't think the writer is creditable anyway.
If the author made his identity open, he would probably have to tone down like Mr Wang say so. -
Twist the situation whichever way you want to suit you, it says more about you than it does about us. Have you given thought to possibilities like further sharing, or our desire to read other stuff in the same pook/website, or the need for proper citation?Originally posted by kilua:I think this persistent demand for credibility and source means it must hit a few raw nerves. We can judge based on the facts written by the article, regardless of the author.
If the author made his identity open, he would probably have to tone down like Mr Wang say so. -
So, what do you expect? The people to rise in armed insurrection like how the Communists in China kick Chiang Kai Shek to Taiwan except the current ruling party has no way to run.Originally posted by qlqq9:tell you, singaporeans kiasu kiasi like the PAP. Complain complain complain, in the end vote for PAP and then complain complain complain again. Hopeless! -
Sorry, been busy with my work so finally got time to come back to this thread, thanks for all the response whether positive or negative. Personally, I posted the article for you guys to read so that you can analyse the writer's thoughts yourself. By no means am I trying to force anybody to believe in every word the writer said. I believe if something is a fact, then it doesn't matter who the writer is, well known credible people, even genius scientist such as einstein have been known to make mistakes, some well known korean scientist even mislead others delibrately or accidently into believing something, and needless for me to remind you guys, that the media in Singapore have been made to mislead at times the citizens mind here in Singapore, so please use your brain...
For those who keep asking for sources, wah lan eh, I cannot remember where I got it from so what did I do? I just copy the front few words of my own post and pasted into Google and search, viola, the first result reveals the source is from http://www.geocities.com/hkhemlock/mus-sin.html
Next time, rather than arguing about the source of this article, why not do abit of homework and GOOGLE it yourself!!! -
Revolt!!!!Originally posted by HyperFocal:Crap! This is old news!
Tell us something we don't already know!
...better still, how we can all kick them out!! -
Great..... now waiting for U to lead usOriginally posted by drawer:Revolt!!!!
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Very interesting.. I find myself agreeing with the entire article
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Thanks, appreciate your effort in posting the article here for all to read. It is impossible for paper to cover fire, isn't it? Please go on to educate people that the local media is being made use of to brainwash the minds of the locals. My Myanmar friend was happy to come that I am the only one he met that doesn't believe all about the local media. He is disappointed that the locals he meet are all so dumb to believe in the local media.Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:Sorry, been busy with my work so finally got time to come back to this thread, thanks for all the response whether positive or negative. Personally, I posted the article for you guys to read so that you can analyse the writer's thoughts yourself. By no means am I trying to force anybody to believe in every word the writer said. I believe if something is a fact, then it doesn't matter who the writer is, well known credible people, even genius scientist such as einstein have been known to make mistakes, some well known korean scientist even mislead others delibrately or accidently into believing something, and needless for me to remind you guys, that the media in Singapore have been made to mislead at times the citizens mind here in Singapore, so please use your brain...
For those who keep asking for sources, wah lan eh, I cannot remember where I got it from so what did I do? I just copy the front few words of my own post and pasted into Google and search, viola, the first result reveals the source is from http://www.geocities.com/hkhemlock/mus-sin.html
Next time, rather than arguing about the source of this article, why not do abit of homework and GOOGLE it yourself!!! -
He is disappointed that the locals he meet are all so dumb to believe in the local media.
Not dumb, but mis-informed and ill-formed and bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis on all fronts.
Singapore used to have a lively political intelligentsia in the 1930s-1960s.
All that is gone now after almost 50 years of one party PAP rule.
Catherine Lim criticises this in her article:
http://catherinelim.sg/2007/11/04/an-open-letter-to-the-prime-minister/
We must rebuild the intellectual life in Singapore to save Singapore.
This is why I advocate creation of a lively and vibrant media industry to stimulate the population and not a controlled media to act as a mouthpiece for state propaganda. -
The above is only possible when PAP and dictator lee are gone.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Not dumb, but mis-informed and ill-formed and bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis on all fronts.
Singapore used to have a lively political intelligentsia in the 1930s-1960s.
All that is gone now after almost 50 years of one party PAP rule.
Catherine Lim criticises this in her article:
http://catherinelim.sg/2007/11/04/an-open-letter-to-the-prime-minister/
We must rebuild the intellectual life in Singapore to save Singapore.
This is why I advocate creation of a lively and vibrant media industry to stimulate the population and not a controlled media to act as a mouthpiece for state propaganda. -
Where were you all this while?Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:I happen to come across this article, read it, and yeah it make sense. So copied here and share with my fellow Singaporeans.
1. SingaporeÂ’s economic growth miracle of the 1960s-90s came mostly from added inputs, not from growth in productivity.
Hong Kong Singapore
Average growth p.a., 1960-85 6% 6%
Worker productivity increase, 1970-90 150% 100%
Savings rate 1970-90 20% 40%
Change in output per unit of capital, 1970-90 0% -50% source
In other words, Singapore had to invest twice as much as HK to produce the same level of output. To compensate for the poor productivity and diminishing returns of investments directed by the state, its people had to save twice as much as Hongkongers, and consume less. Pathetic.
2. The Singaporean people do not really have the fundamental right to make their own investments. The Singapore government forces people to hand over up to 40% of their net income, and it invests most of it as it sees fit. The government “allows” people to individually direct only a small part of these forced savings (mainly into non-voting shares in state-owned enterprises). The government tells Singaporeans how lucky they are to be “allowed” to choose to use their savings for education, home purchase, medical coverage, etc – as if the money weren’t theirs in the first place. Pathetic.
3. This is therefore a planned economy, in which civil servants attempt to pick winners. As well as (mis)managing its people’s savings, Singapore’s government also arranges subsidies to encourage favoured industries. Needless to say, these subsidies are at the expense of other industries. For example, the rest of the economy has subsidized forex traders and fund managers (the last people who need a subsidy) in order to push Singapore higher up the list of international forex trading and fund management centers. The government sells this to its people as a “success”. Meanwhile, the government is ordering its state-owned business to expand beyond the little city state. In their desperation to become regional players, they are paying over the odds for assets of doubtful quality. Pathetic.
4. One big mistake made by the controllers of the Singaporean economy was to maintain a large manufacturing sector long after factories would otherwise have been moved to lower-cost sites (as they did in Hong Kong in the 1980s-90s). They have put their peopleÂ’s wealth into direct investment into local manufacturers, or into tax breaks and other subsidies for inward manufacturing investment. It is therefore left with a large and increasingly unviable manufacturing base in such loser industries as semiconductors. Pathetic.
5. Faced with such mismanagement, most people would complain. Not Singaporeans. Their government effectively controls the media and runs a highly effective PR campaign aimed at convincing the people the government is wonderful. Many sincerely believe it. Those who donÂ’t fall for it keep quiet, or wish they had. The few people who dare to speak out suffer reduced career prospects or even spurious legal action. Unlike Hongkongers, Singaporeans have no right, in practice, to walk down the street handing out anti-government leaflets and shouting anti-government slogans. It is a crime to speak in public without a permit. Pathetic.
6. Democracy is impossible without free speech. Singapore is therefore no more a democracy than Hong Kong (where the government is appointed by Beijing). However, Hong Kong at least allows an opposition to exist openly, and to present its views in independent media, without fear of persecution or harassment. In Singapore, opposition politicians who ask awkward questions can be (and have been) sued for libel by ruling politicians and convicted (and bankrupted) by a judiciary that mysteriously consistently sides with the government. Neighbourhoods that vote in low numbers for the ruling party receive lower government funding for public facilities in retaliation for their lack of gratitude – in flagrant violation of the basic democratic principle that the government is accountable to all its people, not just its voters. Pathetic.
7. Singapore’s ‘father figure” is Lee Kuan Yew. One of his interests is eugenics. He believes that a more-intelligent population can be achieved through selective breeding, and at one stage Singapore encouraged people with high educational levels to marry each other, and it offered financial incentives for them to have children. (After hearing his ideas during a state visit, Britain’s Princess Anne said, “Well, Mr Lee, it doesn’t work with horses.”) Social engineering continues today, with the government, which used to go to great lengths to encourage people to have fewer babies, begging them to have more “if they can afford it”. This means “unless you’re Malay”. Singapore’s schools systematically leave Malays disadvantaged and stuck in low-paying jobs. They have also tried to attract more (Chinese) immigrants from Hong Kong. Don’t all rush. Pathetic.
8. Singapore is famous for not being corrupt. It is true that if you are Lee Kuan Yew’s eldest son you can become brigadier general after just five years in the army, and six months later you can become a member of parliament, and soon after that you can become deputy prime minister. And then become the PM!!! And if you are the eldest son’s wife, you can be put in charge of the state holding company (it holds key interests in 40% of the stock market by market cap). And if you’re Lee’s number-two son, you can run the main Telecoms company. But that’s not corruption, or nepotism. That’s “meritocracy”. (No, that's pathetic.)
9. Cosmopolitan magazine
is banned. Pathetic. -
The only way save the intellectual life in Singapore is to limit the powers of the government to only what it is allowed to do while people are free to do as they like, not the other way round which is the current situation, (hence there is the everpresent 'fear' her letter is refering to) and to limit(if not remove) the government's hold on the media.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Not dumb, but mis-informed and ill-formed and bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis on all fronts.
Singapore used to have a lively political intelligentsia in the 1930s-1960s.
All that is gone now after almost 50 years of one party PAP rule.
Catherine Lim criticises this in her article:
http://catherinelim.sg/2007/11/04/an-open-letter-to-the-prime-minister/
We must rebuild the intellectual life in Singapore to save Singapore.
This is why I advocate creation of a lively and vibrant media industry to stimulate the population and not a controlled media to act as a mouthpiece for state propaganda.
Writing the letter to PM won't help much as she is still thinking within the premise that the Government should 'consider what can be done to remove this fear' and then do it. When it is precisely the overpowered government that the people are afraid of. By writing the letter on the premise of entrusting the government such powers we will still be at square one. Unless the letter will cause the government to be enlightened and limit its own powers which is highly unlikely
That's why i advocate minimal powers of the govt. and the freedom of people to assemble in society as they wish so long as they don't infringe on the rights of other people