I am a humble employee fyi. I take pride in my work and as far as I know, I replace my bosses every now and then because I can.Originally posted by deathbait:What, because I understand the full picture, it makes me part of the "employer's side"?
I'm a humble employee fyi. But I take pride in my work, and as far as I know, my boss is not even thinking of replacing me with any kind of talent.
In the global perspective, you have the freedom to also move from Singapore to other places if you have nothing to hold you back.Originally posted by deathbait:Jobs you don't own can't be snatched from you. From the global perspective, you aren't ENTITLED to the jobs you hold now.
Wrong again. In your research, you have selective bias issues aka you only pick one mode of communication and one specific forum. In order to get evidence , you need to spread your sampling beyond a single forum website.Originally posted by Daddy!!:no evidence so far.
perhaps it is only the "fear" of being replaced by FTs which perpetuates and it has not really happened.
Only eagle is able to state that he has quantitative evidence that 96% of Singaporeans are employed.
you have indirectly said that Sg forums isn't a site with credible resource to collect such evidence. in other words, so much which has been said of this issue in this forum is all fabrication and speculation. very disappointing.Originally posted by fymk:Wrong again. In your research, you have selective bias issues aka you only pick one mode of communication and one specific forum. In order to get evidence , you need to spread your sampling beyond a single forum website.
No . I am saying that you have sampling issues to find YOUR evidence to say FOR SURE that there is a problem.Originally posted by Daddy!!:you have indirectly said that Sg forums isn't a site with credible resource to collect such evidence. in other words, so much which has been said of this issue in this forum is all fabrication and speculation. very disappointing.
at times, i suspect that many forum writers are still schooling with no real working life experience.
Originally posted by Daddy!!:People like to air their greivances anonymously . It provides a certain security that some random psycho won't look for them in their workplace.
i can also fake an emotional story about my employer who hires cheap FT and fires me and my colleagues who are well qualified and well educated.
please believe me then.
so without actual quotation of company's name, the employer's name etc, there is no creditability to anyone who writes qualitatively and then starts to point finger at the government.
please learn a thing or two from the writer at www.webb-site.com, he quotes company's name, person's name involved. Because he is telling the truth, no one can sue him.
if anyone experienced the FT issue, i dont think there is any problem with privacy to write something like [b]"Company XYZ dismissed 3 Singaporeans on DD/MM/YYY and 3 months later hired 3 from India or China for their roles with a much lower salary."
If there is no actual quotation on sgforums, it goes to show how trivial this FT/local problem is.[/b]
daddy, do you think it will help by crying over spilled milk???Originally posted by Daddy!!:if one does not write the company's name and more details and keep crying over one's own shoulders, others could start to wonder why.
crying baby should state his company's name and other details without disclosing his identity.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:daddy, do you think it will help by crying over spilled milk???
crying baby, move on lah...
Originally posted by Daddy!!:Yes .....but don't most jobless people have a money problem and doesn't internet access services require payment?
If i am working at company XYZ and i am fired by my employer because of the FT issue, i would be very happy to state the company XYZ and the situation without stating my name and address etc. I would be happy to state my ex-boss's name too.
If my next employer asks me about this, i would say that many people know about this and there is no evidence to prove that i am the one who post it.
[b]Since there is no clearly stated grievances in sgforums, i am fair to deduce that the FT/Local problem is a trivial one. It is perhaps a creative imagination of people who are anti-government all along the way right at genesis, at the start.
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even if a jobless person is unlikely to be posting online, what about those who have ALREADY POSTED ONLINE? Clearly there is a group of interested people who have internet access, who complained about this issue and who have yet cleared the air about whether they are scaring themselves or whether they are truely the victims of this issue.Originally posted by fymk:Yes .....but don't most jobless people have a money problem and doesn't internet access services require payment?
So can we safely say that a jobless person is unlikely to be posting online ?
If what you are saying is true, it will be akin to saying you cannot see an atom , therefore an atom does not exist.
How would I judge your post as some genuine attempt at gaining information , some poor attempt at defending the government or otherwise?Originally posted by Daddy!!:In any case, the intention is not to attack people who are victimized by the FT/Local issue. The intention is to obtain a better proxy of the happenings. Otherwise, how do you judge whether the post is real or not?
but when it comes to a victim, it would be to his advantage to state it. I am only doing a small favor to facilitate it. So far, I am surprised that there is zero case.Originally posted by fymk:How would I judge your post as some genuine attempt at gaining information , some poor attempt at defending the government or otherwise?
There is no way to judge online whether a post is for real or not. You have the option of listening to it and providing a voice/comment/feedback or taking it all with a pinch of salt.
But the same thing can be said:Originally posted by Daddy!!:i can also fake an emotional story about my employer who hires cheap FT and fires me and my colleagues who are well qualified and well educated.
please believe me then.
so without actual quotation of company's name, the employer's name etc, there is no creditability to anyone who writes qualitatively and then starts to point finger at the government.
please learn a thing or two from the writer at www.webb-site.com, he quotes company's name, person's name involved. Because he is telling the truth, no one can sue him.
if anyone experienced the FT issue, i dont think there is any problem with privacy to write something like "Company XYZ dismissed 3 Singaporeans on DD/MM/YYY and 3 months later hired 3 from India or China for their roles with a much lower salary."
If there is no actual quotation on sgforums, it goes to show how trivial this FT/local problem is.
I will be very frank with you on this aspect - you have not shown yourself to be sympathetic . Your comments are not exactly empathetic either.Not exactly encouraging for those who want to pour their sorrows to.Originally posted by Daddy!!:but when it comes to a victim, it would be to his advantage to state it. I am only doing a small favor to facilitate it. So far, I am surprised that there is zero case.
if there are many cases, i bet you wont have written what you wrote.
Not only IT industry, also construction industry.Originally posted by apples:Here's real stat for u:
MNC Company
IT Department
7 workers (3 Singaporean of which one was formerly a FT; 4 FT)
It is obvious that FT poses big threats esp in certain professional trades like IT. For service sector it is not that bad but I can see the trend changing with even Chinese national being employed for our service department where it previously rarely happened.
which MNC company and whether the 4 FTs are new hires or replacements? what about their salaries?Originally posted by apples:Here's real stat for u:
MNC Company
IT Department
7 workers (3 Singaporean of which one was formerly a FT; 4 FT)
It is obvious that FT poses big threats esp in certain professional trades like IT. For service sector it is not that bad but I can see the trend changing with even Chinese national being employed for our service department where it previously rarely happened.
Instead of asking private information from others, why don't you tell us about your company, how many FTs, PRs and Singaporeans were employed?Originally posted by Daddy!!:which MNC company and whether the 4 FTs are new hires or replacements? what about their salaries?