Will Israel be peaceful in 2008?
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Arabs are destroying them then and they are destroying them now..In year 2001, Taliban destroyed the statues of Buddha built in approx. AD 500.
So?
The Arabs conquered Afghanistan in AD 1100-1200. -
What?Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:So? -
Sir winston churchill on moslems:Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
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Come on lah, there are muslims in sgforums, show some respect.
Churchill was an ass*hole so?
Jews 'partly responsible' for their troubles: Churchill
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070311000812.7mxzo1k0&show_article=1
Churchill took swipe at Jews in 1937 article
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/11/news/winston.php -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Sorry but we need to go beyond poltical correctness...most germans dun subscribe to the nazi ideology and most japanese just coast along the imperialistic japan conquest but millions are killed in last WW..I'm sure most moslems are not facist fanatics but we must get one thing straight when the time comes..Umma or national interests?
Come on lah, there are muslims in sgforums, show some respect.
Churchill was an ass*hole so?
[b]Jews 'partly responsible' for their troubles: Churchill
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070311000812.7mxzo1k0&show_article=1
Churchill took swipe at Jews in 1937 article
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/11/news/winston.php[/b]
think about it
The germans and japanese public lost their civil rights to the facist and imperial state ...you know the rest of the story -
We need another Anwar Sadat.
If only Israel stop leveraging on its support from USA. Frankly, this leverage sickens even the most moderate of Arabs. It's like "Oh I got a big brother behind me. You hoot me, he will smash you back immediately."
And since when did an Arab problem become a Muslim-Jewish problem? Look at Iran, home to the 2nd largest congregation of Jews in the middle east.
What is purely a political problem is now being used as a tool of propaganda by various parties:
1) Conservatives, neo-cons, theo-cons (Theological conservatives) in the West
2) Al-Qaeda and other militant Islamic groups
3) Arab nationalists
4) Jewish nationalists
5) Left-wing liberals
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One would thought life will be more peaceful after israel given up gaza strip...but it's the opposite they are getting more bold ...
Reminds me a saying if your foes say they want to exterminate you..they mean it...
I don't know if the japanese imperial warlord ever say in public exterminating inferior chinese stock...but they done the nanking massacre anyway and kiled quite a lot of local chinese who could have contributed a lot in singapore post war years..
Watch your foes if they say they wanted ethnic cleansing and do not ignore the threat -
But Israel rejected Hamas' peace offer.
Hamas offer for peace rejected by Israel
http://www.imemc.org/article/52046
I think that Israel wants to annihilate off Hamas.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Or else, Palestine government thinks that Israel is recognising Hamas as the real governing authority.
But Israel rejected Hamas' peace offer.
[b]Hamas offer for peace rejected by Israel
http://www.imemc.org/article/52046
I think that Israel wants to annihilate off Hamas.
Ironic, Israel was the one who created Hamas.[/b] -
No choice lah, I think back to the old game of setting Hamas against Fatah and let the two finish each other off.
From a strategic point of view, this is a wise move by Israel, let the palestinians fight among themselves. -
wonder what would old churchill would do to resolve this crisis?
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I believe the world's govt has a doctrine for this threat. Just let the enemy think that they are gaining ground.Originally posted by Catknight:One would thought life will be more peaceful after israel given up gaza strip...but it's the opposite they are getting more bold ...
Reminds me a saying if your foes say they want to exterminate you..they mean it...
I don't know if the japanese imperial warlord ever say in public exterminating inferior chinese stock...but they done the nanking massacre anyway and kiled quite a lot of local chinese who could have contributed a lot in singapore post war years..
Watch your foes if they say they wanted ethnic cleansing and do not ignore the threat -
wonder what would old churchill would do to resolve this crisis
Poison them with gas maybe?
Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,939608,00.html -
This is an Arab and Turkish problem. Their invasion of countries in the past to spread their religion had sowed seeds for today's conflicts worldwide.
The Arabs and the Turks are not exactly friends even though they belong to the same religion.
The rich Arabs are not even sharing their oil wealth with the poorer Arab brethren.
If only the Arabs would respect human lives and love their children more than they hate their enemies...
So much for the religion of peace. -
With Hamas strapping bombs to their kids.to kill.suddenly I find the nazis and japs more respectable as war foes
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Israel will never be peaceful for the simple reason it doesn't exist legally nor does it deserve to exist. stealing looting murdering isn't civilized behaviour. Of course there's an eery resemblance to bunch of workers coming from a certain nation settling in asean countries, and specifically making one such nation so badly 'infested' with them, that they got their own red dot for their independent nation.
britain which also played a part in illegal b@stard nation israel's creation played a part in this red dot's creation too. natives aren't the ones who aren't in majority, yet some of those fanatics from that group have the gall to even criticize or malign the very community, ethnic groups, religions, cultures etc that provided alms to these beggars to settle in asean region i nfirst place.Laughing hypocrisy at its best (worst, dep. on definition).
some b@stards brought over by british to lands that are foreign to them, then they become majority in tiny red dots or patch of lands thanks to british, and now they speak about democracy blah blah balh as their masters chant.
yet when it comes to facts they backtrack. in the region they occupy aren't the majority the very same groups they fight against and oppose. what retarded mentality is that? or is it hypocrisy at its worst/best again dep. on defn?it's a long and twisted history as you may know.
tell me which country has the most number of UN resolutions agianst it and which it violated. tell me which country is the only one in levant region to have problems and wars with each and every single one of its neighbours. tell me which country is the only one that's constantly saved by further sanctions or actions by UN (itself a usa puppet) by usa thanks to jewish lobby like aipac.
tell me which country in levant has nukes. tell me which country continues to take over lands from palestinians ilegally to this day. tell me which is the only country practising apartheid to this day in world.
the answer is simply one word, it's the name of a country and it begins with 'I' and ends in 'L'. it's also included in the title of this thread.
You mean the sources I provided are propaganda?
and please dont make it looks like Israel is so poor thing for getting stuck in between muslims states.
Propaganda my friend. All just propaganda.
Who is occupying whose land?
Who has nuclear weapons?
Who is not occupying whose land?
Who doesn't have nuclear weapons?
With propaganda, even Saddam Hussein also has nuclear weapons.
Time to look at FACTS instead of the old propaganda bullsh*t.
Bullsh it?
If not, be more specificquote:
Have stated this ALREADY!
Iran doesn't have nukes.
Israel has nukes.
I think you mixed the countries up.
Israel is the aggressor country, not Iran.
Israel occupies, not Iran.
Israel attacks lebanon and Syria, not Iran.
too much pro-Israel propaganda already lah.
Now everything become confused.
AND
Israel go around occupying other people's territories, killing and terrorising arabs, bomb other people's countries, support USA to attack Iran and Iraq and all these poppyco*ck pro-Israel propaganda. And this stupid anti-Iran propaganda.
Makes me sick.
Why are you ignorant?
Why do you not read my refutations of your accusations?
If you feel that what I argued is wrong
Rebut it!
Instead of being a tape recorder and playing the same sound
Over and over again
Poh Ah Pak and Protonhybrid (Btw, Lexus>Proton, period)
TIME and TIME AGAIN some people choose to post
The same SENSELESS arguments OVER and OVER AGAIN
That have been REFUTED
I have provided ARGUMENTS and SOURCES
For ALL IN THIS THREAD for all to read
You both DELIBERATELY just chose to IGNORE them
I say this
If I have argued wrongly, quote me and specifically point out my mistakes
Which I'd try my best to rebut
This is how one engages in an intelligent debateu r not getting my drift. Israel was created becoz the Jewish believed that according to the Torah, Land of Israel was promised to the Jews as their homeland. Does this looks FAIR to u?
They can believe ANYTHING they like
What's not fair about believing in something?
So long as they believe and act on it which is NOT ILLEGAL
Like buying land and not stealing landand please dont make it looks like Israel is so poor thing for getting stuck in between muslims states. Israels is backed by USA...oh no in fact USA is controlled by them. Very Happy
If Israel doesn't have an ally
Who'd rescue Israel if its in trouble
Wouldn't it be non-existant?
You're saying as if alliances are bad
That's what a friend is for
One who helps you out when you're in troubleBut Israel rejected Hamas' peace offer.
And why JUST TRUCE?
Hamas offer for peace rejected by Israel
http://www.imemc.org/article/52046
I think that Israel wants to annihilate off Hamas.
Ironic, Israel was the one who created Hamas.
Why not RECOGNISE Israel and RENOUNCE violence FOREVER?
Hamas should indeed be annihilated
Hamas simply cannot be trustedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
Inside it states that WHILE Hamas would observe ceasefires
It would still stick to its long term goal
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Please remember while Israel may not have agood record as a western democratic, it is the only secular one in middle east
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Some Lebanese wish that Lebanon can become a secular state.
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Our finest hour by churchill in WWIII if he still alive:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsKDGM5KTBY&feature=related
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I do.Originally posted by googoomuck:Some Lebanese wish that Lebanon can become a secular state.
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blah blah blah. as of today, out of six continents on world inhabited by man, 4 are entirely christian. how did that happen?Originally posted by Timmay:Its a terrible source!
Its tone is lob-sided
But I'd refute it anyway...
In one of the pictures
It says that Christian missionaries are war provocation
O you mean people whom the Abu Sayyaf Group
A violent terrorist group
Involved in carried out bombings, kidnappings, assassinations, rapes and extortion
Kidnapped; Gracia Burnham and her husband Martin
So missionaries are cause for war provocation, huh?
Thing is, there wasn't even a war!
It was a deliberate act of kidnapping for RANSOM
To finance their terror acts!
Regarding the evil Christian leaders and gang
I admit that their evil lot
At least find some numbers like how many they have killed
Even then
Be sensible and compare it to the number of people
Evil Muslim leaders and gang have killed in using
Blar blar blar blar *Same old tactics*
Allah Ackbar anyone? -
as in politics, ties change. ussr and uk/usa also were allies in wwIIOriginally posted by Catknight:I support Israel cause they are our friend during the sixties when they train us to defend ourself when we declare independence.When your friend helps you when you are down , you can't ignore them -
i dont think any country=religion, so israel isnt a religion. blame israel but not judaism for lebanons woes.Originally posted by Catknight:The muslims are very united in their cause which is to bring the whole world under sharia laws..either by force or demographics..look at lebanon a christian country played out by their own muslims now Lebanon is in a mess...
The only dominant christian state in middle east which used to be Paris now turn to a state of emergency thanks to the religion of peace
incidentally how did lebanon have so many christians despite falling to muslims, while europe has had nothing but one religion only. same with south america, north america and oceania after european/christian murders -
But what's wrong with that?Originally posted by protonhybrid:blah blah blah. as of today, out of six continents on world inhabited by man, 4 are entirely christian. how did that happen?
It's history. Christianity reached the continents first. If they didn't fight, all of Europe would have been converted to an alien religion.. Imperial Russia would have been 'converted'.
The early Europeans could cross the oceans to colonize the continents but the Arabs couldn't.