Best country to live in in the entire world. NORWAY!
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norway should be a freaking cold country. People there are lazy because the weather there is freaking cold.
I would rather choose vancouver for i would worry less about winter wear. And there are also more asians there who can look out for one another.
EDIT: oh i just check. Norway is warmer than most other countries of the same latitude due to it being a coastal country. Not bad. -
Well, you have to look at the ultimate reason behind the Norwegian girl's perspective in terms of income.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:That was from a 'Norwegian contact', in case you didn't read properly. A couple of months ago, I met a Norwegian lass at the pub, and she said she adored life here.
Travel the world and talk to more people - you'll learn that every place has its pros and cons.
In Norway the Gini Coefficient is low [25.8], therefore income is distributed more evenly amongst the professionals and the low income earners when compared to Singapore [42.5].
This would mean that rich-poor divide between the professionals and low wage earners is not as distinct as Singapore.
Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20070614000931/http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_HDI.pdf
As for the share of income or consumption for Norway, the richest 20% consumes 32.7% of the country's total income. Whereas the richest 20% of Singapore consumes almost 50% of the country's total income.
The 20% poorest of Norway consumes 9.6% of the country's total income, whereas only 5% is attributed to Singapore.
Naturally, the top income earners will want to exploit the disparity of income distribution in Singapore. The Norwegian lass you spoke of is not your typical low income wage earners. In such a situation, you have a situation where high income earners of Norway wanting to relocat to Singapore. Whereas the low income earners of Singapore want to relocate to Norway. But low income earner's fate in Singpaore is sealed, they can't relocate due to immigration criteria. -
now that comment is unwarranted for and disturbing.Originally posted by the.owl:LOL, PSLE also can fail, better to commit suicide. -
ya but how the hell do you fail PSLE? how? I cant even imagineOriginally posted by fishbuff:now that comment is unwarranted for and disturbing.
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with europe turning islamic by mid century, you might as well stay put here
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I expect the same in Singapore.Originally posted by Catknight:with europe turning islamic by mid century, you might as well stay put here -
She wasn't cooing about how financially advantageous it was for her.
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Hypothetically, if you were to go over another country to work, that country has a system which benefits the foreigners and rich, while it penalises the poor. Would you as the foreigner, go around the pub bragging to locals about how much better off you are here as compared to your home country?Originally posted by Kuali Baba:She wasn't cooing about how financially advantageous it was for her.
It's implicit that she's of the higher income group, else she would not have such a carefree lifestyle as compared to some locals. You need to be well off financially to enjoy the good life in Singapore.
If she's working 12 hour days with some weekend overtime; do you think it's possible for her to have the good life and go pubbing? -
A friend of mine (PRC), worked in Singapore for 3 months, was posted to one of the Nordic country (Christianxxxxx something, can't remember) for 2 weeks training. When she came back, she said she love that country much more than Singapore.
Here we have a person who has not lived in either country for extended period of time. But she expressed her desire to live in that Nordic country rather than Singapore, despite the high taxes and the cold. -
Kristianstad is a municipality in Sweden.
If you have trouble accepting that people from countries you regard highly could find more reasons than financial ones to like life here, I can't say much more. For the record I'm looking to work and live elsewhere, for my own reasons too. -
Singapore is the happiest country in asia leh
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Well, I can't help it if you can't accept quantitative facts.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Kristianstad is a municipality in Sweden.
If you have trouble accepting that people from countries you regard highly could find more reasons than financial ones to like life here, I can't say much more. For the record I'm looking to work and live elsewhere, for my own reasons too.
But, one issue that you cannot refute is, they are financially much much better off in Singapore than in Norway. You need to be financially well off in the first place to have a lavish lifestyle in Singapore. If you belong to the basic serf class, it's better off if you stay in Norway.
Other secondary issues might be weather.
If you think that what they say about Singapore is true, this is a place to stay long term for old age and all, you should maybe convince them to renounce their own Norwegian citizenship and adopt a Singaporean citizenship.
It's Kristiansand in Norway, not Kristianstad.
According to my PRC friend (neither a resident of Singapore or Norway) who stayed in both places for a short term. She said Singapore is all work, work and more work. -
I don't have problems accepting those possibilities - I simply don't rule everything else out as primary reasons.
Maybe they'll return home, or maybe they'll move on when the travel bug bites them or when they want to prove themselves elsewhere. -
One simple question.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I don't have problems accepting those possibilities - I simply don't rule everything else out as primary reasons. Maybe they'll return home, or maybe they'll move on when the travel bug bites them or when they want to prove themselves elsewhere.
Either in Singapore or Norway, you need to have loads of money to have the good life.
Agree?
If their life in Singapore is better than Norway, then they must have some financial advantage here that they don't have in Norway. If you don't have much money in Singapore, there won't be any life at all as opposed to Norway.
Anyway, if it's possible, I don't mind trading my Singapore citizenship for a Norwegian citizenship anytime of the day.
Maybe spend afew years acquiring the Norwegian language.
I am sure many educated Singaporeans won't mind trading too.
If you ask me what values Singapore holds for me, I will tell you zero. It's nothing more than an empty shell, the voids could most easily be replaced by PRCs, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians and Filippinos anytime.
Does Singapore value her citizens?
That's for you to decide on the merits of their actions. -
It's possible, so get off your arse and make it happen.
And another thing: A happy/good life needn't necessarily be the high life. -
In Singapore?Originally posted by Kuali Baba:It's possible, so get off your arse and make it happen.
And another thing: A happy/good life needn't necessarily be the high life.
Good life without money?
I wonder how many in this forum would agree with that statement.
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You actually make it damn obvious that you lack comprehension skills.Originally posted by maurizio13:In Singapore?
Good life without money?
I wonder how many in this forum would agree with that statement.
The stuff you smoking must be damn good.
I said you don't have to be filthy rich to be happy. Look at how different that is from what you said. Go chew on it before I put your drama queen woes in perspective. -
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HahahaOriginally posted by Kuali Baba:You actually make it damn obvious that you lack comprehension skills.
I said you don't have to be filthy rich to be happy. Look at how different that is from what you said. Go chew on it before I put your drama queen woes in perspective.
Actually you are the one lacking in comprehension skills.
I did said "Good life without money?", if you think that you disagree with that statement, you should explain your case, of telling someone they lack comprehension skills.
Obvious that you can't state your case.
Can you refute the statement?
You can't have a good life without money.
If you are getting $1,500 or $2,000 a month working your ass off, do you think you have the spending power to go over a pub and plough down $100 worth of booze every weekend.
It's just economics, goes to prove my case that those that moved from Norway to Singapore are not your average garbage collector, they need to be making alot and the system in Singapore is beneficial to them as compared to Norway. Because Singapore promotes widening income gaps, as can be seen from the Gini Coefficient.
I wonder how many of those income levels below $2,000 are having a good life right now.
Maybe they should indulge in the stuff you are smoking, then maybe they would have a good life. -
Well, I actually like it here... the $$$ problems and the stress is just a small part of it really...Originally posted by maurizio13:One simple question.
Either in Singapore or Norway, you need to have loads of money to have the good life.
Agree?
If their life in Singapore is better than Norway, then they must have some financial advantage here that they don't have in Norway. If you don't have much money in Singapore, there won't be any life at all as opposed to Norway.
Anyway, if it's possible, I don't mind trading my Singapore citizenship for a Norwegian citizenship anytime of the day.
Maybe spend afew years acquiring the Norwegian language.
I am sure many educated Singaporeans won't mind trading too.
If you ask me what values Singapore holds for me, I will tell you zero. It's nothing more than an empty shell, the voids could most easily be replaced by PRCs, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians and Filippinos anytime.
Does Singapore value her citizens?
That's for you to decide on the merits of their actions.
Ultimately, its not just abt how much u make or how much tax dollars u're getting back in welfare. Its about what u have going on here...
My work's here, my family's here, my friends are here (well, those who haven't moved on anyway
), still, those who have moved on still come back once in awhile and say how much they miss the food and the vibes.
Why must we see ourselves as "indispensable"? who is anyway? in this day and age...
what's more important is to ensure that we are relevant! sure, u'll have indos and pinos and indians and chinamen working here... so? like it or not, immigration and emigration are facts of life... pple are moving now like never before.
Last i remembered, my grandfather was a chinaman with little to his name... he came and worked and eventually raised a family and here I am... it would be hypocritical of me to suggest that pple who migrated here do not belong and have no place here...
Our place in the universe is up to us to find... And like I said... I like it here. -
I felt the need to let you digest one thing at a time.
Since you insist, try getting your head around the idea of 'cherishing what you have'. Exchange classmates, white friends and an author who liked it here had these to say:
- You don't have to fuss over suitable clothing for the weather or preparing for sudden cold spells;
- Everything is located within a convenient distance from home relative to larger countries;
- It's easy to take for granted that you won't be bombed or shot;
- You can cross the roads in relative safety;
- You don't yet have African and Middle-Eastern immigrants trying to impose their way of life on you;
- Public services don't grind to a halt due to union strikes;
- For all its flaws, you received a pretty sound education;
- You get sunshine all year 'round;
- You and your family can walk around in the dead of the night and sleep in near peace;
- There's plenty of good food to be had and cultures to be experienced;
And the list can go on. You don't need a fat wallet to enjoy those as a citizen. Fine if you value some things more than the above - accept that they may mean much more to someone else. Not every developed country enjoys all of them, and they have their own attractions too.
Heck, all some people need to be happy are the love and support of their family members and friends. There are people who don't earn much, and maybe have never stepped into a pub before, but they take pride in getting by on what they have. Some even do volunteer work themselves.
I do not deny the existence of people who are struggling to make ends meet - but not all of them rant incessantly like some people do, claiming to help the former this way.
I'm not advocating your idea of a good life, which seems to involve lots of hedonism and idle pursuits. It's not everyone's idea, which may encompass a happy existence in which one finds contentment and meaning. But if you think you'll find much more happiness in material gain and liberal democracy, all's well then - except that you, with your fragile little narrow mind that hears only what it wants to hear, aren't practising what you preach.
You can't or don't want to beat immigrants at their game, so you want to join them. But do you seriously think you'll be more welcome elsewhere just because it was harder for you to get work in the country?
Firstly though, you ought to get out of your wee bubble - do some charity work, visit foreign blogs and forums, read up, talk to people from all over the world and open your mind. After that, you can move away, set something in motion, accept what you do have or continue sitting on your arse moaning. The migrant workers actually got off their backsides to make better things happen for themselves - what about you?Originally posted by maurizio13:Hahaha
Actually you are the one lacking in comprehension skills.
I did said "Good life without money?", if you think that you disagree with that statement, you should explain your case, of telling someone they lack comprehension skills.
Obvious that you can't state your case.
Can you refute the statement?
You can't have a good life without money.
If you are getting $1,500 or $2,000 a month working your ass off, do you think you have the spending power to go over a pub and plough down $100 worth of booze every weekend.
It's just economics, goes to prove my case that those that moved from Norway to Singapore are not your average garbage collector, they need to be making alot and the system in Singapore is beneficial to them as compared to Norway. Because Singapore promotes widening income gaps, as can be seen from the Gini Coefficient.
I wonder how many of those income levels below $2,000 are having a good life right now.
Maybe they should indulge in the stuff you are smoking, then maybe they would have a good life. -
first, i dont agree that norway or any other country is THE best country in world to live in. Only certain countries are better in certain aspects.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I felt the need to let you digest one thing at a time.
Since you insist, try getting your head around the idea of 'cherishing what you have'. Exchange classmates, white friends and an author who liked it here had these to say:
- You don't have to fuss over suitable clothing for the weather or preparing for sudden cold spells;
- Everything is located within a convenient distance from home relative to larger countries;
- It's easy to take for granted that you won't be bombed or shot;
- You can cross the roads in relative safety;
- You don't yet have African and Middle-Eastern immigrants trying to impose their way of life on you;
- Public services don't grind to a halt due to union strikes;
- For all its flaws, you received a pretty sound education;
- You get sunshine all year 'round;
- You and your family can walk around in the dead of the night and sleep in near peace;
- There's plenty of good food to be had and cultures to be experienced;
And the list can go on. You don't need a fat wallet to enjoy those as a citizen. Fine if you value some things more than the above - accept that they may mean much more to someone else. Not every developed country enjoys all of them, and they have their own attractions too.
second, i'd take the opportunity to 'dissect' your points in here.
1. singapore isn't unique in this. it's neighbours have similar weather patterns. among others.
2. also everything is so 'crammed' allowing less 'breathing space' compared to larger countries. and almost all cities in larger countries are similar to singapore in this respect, another city itself.
3. safety isn't a major concern in nordic countries afaik, nor GCC countries, nor japan, among other places i could think of. all different regions of world i've mentioned here. i think it's mostly usa citizens who told you about this.
4. not sure what you mean, but i think it's same as above.
5. apart from the obvious racist undertone, singapore ALREADY has had a wave of 'far eastern' migrants who populated that country, imposing its food, customs, language, 'bum licking it's master anglophones', among other practices.
6. no safety net for workers. grave abuse of foreign workers.
7. how about the flaws?
8. same as neighbours or other parts of the world. you despair for snow (not you specifically, in general terms), while those from snow clad countries despair for sunshine. best is to choose a country with diverse geography i guess. topography? climate?
9. again covered in safety issues.
10. culture is DEFINITELY NOT a singaporean forte. but food yes, singapore's food is quite good on an international scale. but better is neighbour malaysian food, cheaper and better. among other places.
among your 10 points, some basically mimic one another, like 3 points for safety, 2 for warm weather, which can be summed up in 2 points, -
You may disagree on how I differentiated between each of them - fine. Let me reply to your rebuttal:
2. Not in the suburbs and rural areas
3, 9. Some Brits also share the same sentiments
4. Pedestrian safety - drivers don't wait for you to cross the road everywhere in the world
5. Accuse me of racism if you will, but the hostile sentiment exists, and the events are actually happening. The migrants here aren't exactly clamouring as the others do for Sharia law and segregation yet.
6. Hope you don't begrudge the workers for the interruptions when you travel
7. There's the slant in social studies/history, the lack of innovation and the high workload and expectations but you got a good grounding in math and the science.
10. Who ever talked about fortes or this being unique? I meant that you get to partake in the festivities of 4 Asian ethnic groups and 4 or 5 different major religions.
1, 8, and everything above. We can split hairs all we want but that'd be missing the point - all these represent a change for the people who visit us, be it the climate, the relative efficiency or safety, and they haven't got the worst deal around. Since they're here they appreciate what was previously alien to them.Originally posted by protonhybrid:first, i dont agree that norway or any other country is THE best country in world to live in. Only certain countries are better in certain aspects.
second, i'd take the opportunity to 'dissect' your points in here.
1. singapore isn't unique in this. it's neighbours have similar weather patterns. among others.
2. also everything is so 'crammed' allowing less 'breathing space' compared to larger countries. and almost all cities in larger countries are similar to singapore in this respect, another city itself.
3. safety isn't a major concern in nordic countries afaik, nor GCC countries, nor japan, among other places i could think of. all different regions of world i've mentioned here. i think it's mostly usa citizens who told you about this.
4. not sure what you mean, but i think it's same as above.
5. apart from the obvious racist undertone, singapore ALREADY has had a wave of 'far eastern' migrants who populated that country, imposing its food, customs, language, 'bum licking it's master anglophones', among other practices.
6. no safety net for workers. grave abuse of foreign workers.
7. how about the flaws?
8. same as neighbours or other parts of the world. you despair for snow (not you specifically, in general terms), while those from snow clad countries despair for sunshine. best is to choose a country with diverse geography i guess. topography? climate?
9. again covered in safety issues.
10. culture is DEFINITELY NOT a singaporean forte. but food yes, singapore's food is quite good on an international scale. but better is neighbour malaysian food, cheaper and better. among other places.
among your 10 points, some basically mimic one another, like 3 points for safety, 2 for warm weather, which can be summed up in 2 points, -
now now ladies... i can't comment on singapore obviously but i saw a brits comment haha most of us actually don't give a damn... we take it for the spin it is. if something happens we deal with it - you didn't see any brits boycotting london or the tube after 7/7 did you? all the same we have good secret services and we're well protected. as are most places.
I'd also like to add on the trade union bit, put yourself in the shoes of the bus driver or train driver for a second... if your pay falls behind and you can't afford the things you need anymore? if you're getting paid way less than everyone else? would you be happy? would you be happier if they all quit to get better paid jobs? traid unions don't have to be bad things, and usually when they are they don't get the members to be effective.
anyway *hides* i'm not entering this just wanted to add those things... keep your handbags to yourselves please -
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It is no open secret PAP is trying to combat internet dissent and suppress majority unhappiness while trying to increase their pockets at yr expense!