If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well.And the parents were influenced by who? The no 1 "father" figure in Singapore?
thumbs up and i agree too!Originally posted by caleb_chiang:Like I mentioned to my friends... it is a reign of tyrants... and it runs in the family as well...![]()
Hmmm...we all know pretty well the situation here. Sad to say, even I am a product of the system here, inculcated with the notion that we all have to drive ourselves to the ground, to study hard and to make ourselves economically viable as we are all cogs in the Sillypore economic wheel(old man said so himself many years ago). Now you know what he thinks of you and me huh, just cogs in the wheel...nothing more....no wonder there is no soul or graciousness here(old man said so himself just a few days ago)....wonder who's fault is it? hmmmmm kekekekeke, yup I agree its just like father like son.....Sillypore is a mirror image of you know who.....so all the success and flaws like economic greed, ungraciousness naturally comes from him.....Originally posted by robertteh:The first duty of a leader is service, to his people with dedication, quality and excellence.
If up to now this basic duty is still very cloudy in his mind and not being understood or followed, with suing or fixing of oppositions and slamming of people who give negative feedbacks or criticisms of his policies and denying problems all the time with all kinds of propaganda calling them ranters, arm-chair critics, or spin doctors then he is not qualified to give lesson on morality or graciousness.
Why? Because his people will simply copy his style of slamming critics and running down people who disagree with them or treating their fellow citizens or subordinates with disdain, rudeness and irrationality just like what he has been doing all thees past 40 plus years.
How could we ever build a gracious society under this type of leadership?
Put it this way, if they kenna sued, they are given the opportunity to defend themselves as wellOriginally posted by robertteh:The first duty of a leader is service, to his people with dedication, quality and excellence.
If up to now this basic duty is still very cloudy in his mind and not being understood or followed, with suing or fixing of oppositions and slamming of people who give negative feedbacks or criticisms of his policies and denying problems all the time with all kinds of propaganda calling them ranters, arm-chair critics, or spin doctors then he is not qualified to give lesson on morality or graciousness.
Why? Because his people will simply copy his style of slamming critics and running down people who disagree with them or treating their fellow citizens or subordinates with disdain, rudeness and irrationality just like what he has been doing all thees past 40 plus years.
How could we ever build a gracious society under this type of leadership?
Put it this way, if they kenna sued, they are given the opportunity to defend themselves as wellBut can they win?
Why do people complain about people complaining rather than be helpful? Gracious me you!Originally posted by kramnave:When i read the article, i thought about aunties with more than 8 items on NTUC's express lane. I thought about drivers stepping on the accelerator when we signal our intention to shift lanes. I thought about public transport commuters turning a blind eye to the pregnant woman and the elderly. That is a problem, reckoned i concurred with LKY. Was discussing with a pal and we came to a conclusion that family values play a part. If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well. It doesn't matter what we think anyway. What struck us most was not what LKY said but the comments that ensued on asiaone's website and perhaps the one here.
Apparently people started pushing the blame on the government and LKY instead of reflecting on the ungraceful habits we have. Was just telling my pal:"Mate, i think we have a serious issue in Singapore in that we are farking stupid. So stupid to the point that we actually blame the government for our habits. We blame the government when we can't get a desired job even though we are graduates etc". Seriously, you are who you are and there is no one to blame but yourself.
Agreed we as singaporeans are to blame for such behaviour but i believe society and meybe the govt should shoulder some blame.Originally posted by kramnave:When i read the article, i thought about aunties with more than 8 items on NTUC's express lane. I thought about drivers stepping on the accelerator when we signal our intention to shift lanes. I thought about public transport commuters turning a blind eye to the pregnant woman and the elderly. That is a problem, reckoned i concurred with LKY. Was discussing with a pal and we came to a conclusion that family values play a part. If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well. It doesn't matter what we think anyway. What struck us most was not what LKY said but the comments that ensued on asiaone's website and perhaps the one here.
Apparently people started pushing the blame on the government and LKY instead of reflecting on the ungraceful habits we have. Was just telling my pal:"Mate, i think we have a serious issue in Singapore in that we are farking stupid. So stupid to the point that we actually blame the government for our habits. We blame the government when we can't get a desired job even though we are graduates etc". Seriously, you are who you are and there is no one to blame but yourself.
Why don't Senior Minister Lee and the rich try to be poor? Meybe then time would be more precious? And they may then turn a blind eye to other people's troubles cos they have to look after #1 ( Ozzie term that means look after yerself first before other stuff)Originally posted by genie99:The big tickets in life ie car and house are cheaper in Oz as compared to Sg dude. Why dont you try spending the same amount of $ for a house in Oz for a "house" in Sg? Lets see how much harder you have to work for the same "luxury".
Originally posted by january:its not easy to be gracious and competitive at the same time
mmmm... food for thoughtOriginally posted by robertteh:As future or potential MPs or Ministers it seems that the best policy for all of them is to adopt the selfish attitude that there should not be carrying bad news to the emperor.
This is clearly found in the replies of MPs to my above-stated proposal to amend the constitution.
I see the same policy being adopted by Reach or the former Feedback Unit - no reply no response and not saying anything right or wrong to avoid affecting their own career.
The same thing is happening to my recent feedback about the flaws and defects in our constitution to MPs.
Most of the MPs do not reply to my emails. Some of the MPs at least replied and say they will look into my suggestions. One of them said she has referred my proposal to the ministry of law. When I replied asking her what would be her views as MP she replied again repeating that this matter come under the Ministry of Law and that is that.
The majority of MPs adopted a very arm-length attitude "saying thank you for your feedback and have a good day". So I can see that nearly all the MPs are too afraid to get involved with real problem feedbacks. One of them went into the topic and informed me I have been idealistic citing examples like Indonesia or Fillippines said to be caused by democracy. I responded with rationale and because of them the MP replied again agreeing that certain parts of the constitution need amendments. I asked "if he finds my suggestions objective or reasonable why not convey them to the higher up ministers". There were no replies after that. So the issues and problems brought up in my proposal are conveniently side-stepped and forgotten.
Everyone of the MPs seems to be afraid of being involved in some negative feedback which may affect his or her career.
Can we have good leadership or talent in government if our MPs adopt this kind of attitude or policy to avoid carrying bad or unpleasant news to the emperor to be free of getting into troubles with their own career themselves.