MINDCHAMPS so costly?
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MINDCHAMPs has been using students who excel and important educators such as former RGS principal to endorse.I understand that they provide methods to study as oppse to rote learning but the fact is that it did not really goes into core contents of the subjects.From K1 to even varsity level the fee for each student ranges from $3000 to $6000 so exorbitant.My neighbours sent her son P6 and daughter sec 4 spending .$10k and yet no results.The p6 boy went for English course and emphasis on essay writing but fare badly in recent PSLE in 2007. The teachers did not even mark his practice papers even though they tried to teach him to write better.They instead asked the boy to bring back essay paper to be marked by his pte tutor.
What I understand is that the marketers they employed work like insurance agent.ie they're paid on comission basis..many of their marketers are only out getting pple to sign up and they are paid very lucratively hence the bulk of the comissions account for the high fees charged $3000 to $6000.These marketers are paid and even be rewarded based on how many students signed up for the courses.My neighbours' students even remarked they love going there to play as co emphaise play to encourage learning but these 2 children p4 & sec 4 obviously did not reap much benefits..luckily their parents can afford to splurge on them.Anyone can comment on MINDCHAMP
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There'll teach you whatever they can teach you within a few days.
And the methods are employed are highly interactive, so you'll sure gain something. But the thing is, most methods they taught, which I feel, is not suitable for me.
I'm someone who hold high believes for rote learning.
You'll feel fully charged and fill with motivation, but these at most lasted one weeks only for me.
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Your words exactly echo what my best friend's father said after spending >$4k on his p4 son..first 2 weeks fully charged and motivated after that all the buzz just went off and he still did not fare any better..so it's money into the drain..but every body still flocking here because of strong advertising and powerful persusaive techniques..Isn't it regulated by MOE?Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:There'll teach you whatever they can teach you within a few days.
And the methods are employed are highly interactive, so you'll sure gain something. But the thing is, most methods they taught, which I feel, is not suitable for me.
I'm someone who hold high believes for rote learning.
You'll feel fully charged and fill with motivation, but these at most lasted one weeks only for me.
So I still think that rote learning is better for me. -
Any more parents with similar situation as above?
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Bottom line....
If the student is not motivated enough, the best teaching methods in the world will be useless on him. -
..Their advertisements are indeed very persusaive..no wonder so many got pluck...show only the improvement of the minority but the majority did not fare well or remain the sameOriginally posted by ceecookie:Mindchamps is bullshit,enough said. -
Actually different children learn things differently, at different speeds, require different types of motivation etc.
Anytime a one-size-fits-all technique is put forward, you can be sure it's just empty marketing promises. No need to look any futher. There is no such thing.
Private tutors and parents involvement help a lot. Parents are responsible to motivate their children. Schools are there to give structure but the child needs your involvement and personal attention to round off the education. -
Is the end of the day, their objective is to maximise profits.Originally posted by 787180:..Their advertisements are indeed very persusaive..no wonder so many got pluck...show only the improvement of the minority but the majority did not fare well or remain the same
their advertisments only show those few outstanding students. I am sure other agencies can provide similar results. -
My neighbour's son incurred >$6000 on Eng course alone for just a few months and the results still shows no improvement at all..not everybody is going to benefit from it.The worse is their agents( a bit like those insurance agents) keep pushing her to recommend and introduce her to sign up for > courses offered..outright aim is to maximise profits...can't understand why so many suckers still willing to be sucked / lured into it?
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I think adults need further education too.
Instead of just judo and cooking and arts and crafts, it would be nice to be able to have some night courses in economics or something like that, just to get caught up in what's new in the world without having to enter into a school.
I wonder how many people would be interested?
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Hmm, I sent my son to Mindchamps last year and he did very well for PSLE … got all A’s when previous he got only B’s and C’s.
I’ve been sending him to tuition since P3 but never see much improvement. That’s why I wanted something different. I don’t believe in rote learning and what’s the point of memorizing when you don’t understand and can’t apply? My son also improved in his attitude so overall it was a good program.
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Originally posted by Champy:
Hmm, I sent my son to Mindchamps last year and he did very well for PSLE … got all A’s when previous he got only B’s and C’s.
I’ve been sending him to tuition since P3 but never see much improvement. That’s why I wanted something different. I don’t believe in rote learning and what’s the point of memorizing when you don’t understand and can’t apply? My son also improved in his attitude so overall it was a good program.
bro, your nick sounds suspicious leh. anyway, congrats on your kid's good result, regardless.
i think if the parents believe and the kids has the motivation to go thru' it, then so be it.
it is not cheap. i certainly cannot afford for my kids, if i have any.
the other often used methods is NLP. again, it has its detractors, but it does have good learning points if one takes to heart the teachings its preaches.
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me no beliv he/she is genuine.
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All their facilitors earn fat comissions out of their $3000 to $6000 course fees charged just like insurance agents probably to pay for the high advertising fees and understand MINDCHAMP do not really teach but > of play
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Best is self learn, and then come Homework Forum to discuss
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programme like these are about rah rah, sometimes it sticks but sometimes doesn't.....while i don't rule out the usefulness of such programme, i am very doubtful of some claims......majority have short term effects, it's like drugs, you need constant feeding to get moving
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They only post results that are favourable to themselves..those students who failed or did not show improvements are not revealed..just a handful of those who have excelled are spread across the media and they get prominent pple to advertise too like ex-principal of RGS
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I am one of those ‘marketers’ in MindChamps. Yes, we work on a commission basis. NO, we are not insurance agents! I am an Education Success Coach, with specialised training to best advise families on how to help their kids improve in school and in their personal life. If a child is not suited for MindChamps, I will not recommend the program – what I do is not just about making money, it is about transforming lives!
Before I became an Education Success Coach, I enrolled my son into MindChamps. That was 4 years ago. Because of MindChamps, he is now a scholar at NTU! I was so amazed at his transformation that I wanted to share my experience with other parents. And being an Education Success Coach allows me to do just that. I am passionate about what I do and really, you should consider approaching us if you feel your child needs help.
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just out of curiosity out of average course fee of about $5000,yr comission is about $2500(50% right)? If true is indeed atrocious .recently my friend signed up and the instructors want to cut down on the scheduled no of lessons,wad's the logic/ after paying $,then resort to this tactic? many students joined and were inspired for the first few weeks only but as time passes all the lax,lazy attitudes creep back again,typical comments by most parents lamenting about the exorbitant charges after seeing their children back to square ones again.Those advertised to show phenomenal success including yr child are only a handful ones whose success are not necessarily due to MINDCHAMP's efforts or teachings.How is Adam Khoo's teaching techniques differ from yr MINDCHAMPS?
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too expensive then don't sign up
its not force upon you to give your kids all these.
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Originally posted by 787180:
MINDCHAMPs has been using students who excel and important educators such as former RGS principal to endorse.I understand that they provide methods to study as oppse to rote learning but the fact is that it did not really goes into core contents of the subjects.From K1 to even varsity level the fee for each student ranges from $3000 to $6000 so exorbitant.My neighbours sent her son P6 and daughter sec 4 spending .$10k and yet no results.The p6 boy went for English course and emphasis on essay writing but fare badly in recent PSLE in 2007. The teachers did not even mark his practice papers even though they tried to teach him to write better.They instead asked the boy to bring back essay paper to be marked by his pte tutor.
What I understand is that the marketers they employed work like insurance agent.ie they're paid on comission basis..many of their marketers are only out getting pple to sign up and they are paid very lucratively hence the bulk of the comissions account for the high fees charged $3000 to $6000.These marketers are paid and even be rewarded based on how many students signed up for the courses.My neighbours' students even remarked they love going there to play as co emphaise play to encourage learning but these 2 children p4 & sec 4 obviously did not reap much benefits..luckily their parents can afford to splurge on them.Anyone can comment on MINDCHAMP you inflicted your children with it, you suffer the consequences..
they can sell whatever the hell you want, and if you are dumb enough to buy it, it's your fault..
caveat emptor..
suck it up... and learn not to be a sucker again
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ultimately, it;s all dependent on the child applying what he/she has learnt in her school subjects.
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let's put it this way. If Mindchamps, adam khoo, shicida and the likes will work wonder and are able to produce fantastic kids and outstanding students, then there is no need to have schools or teachers. Just send all the children to such courses and they will produce future leaders, scholars and millionaires ......
Let's be realistic ... such motivation courses may work on some children but certainly not all.
Some S'pore schools have engaged them to coach the pupils and results are mixed.
Let's not be so guilible. Parents, teachers and the these coaches can only guide. The most important factor is the kid himself/herself want to change for the better.
Lastly, the companies employs marketing and branding strategies and we are enriching their pockets...... :)