MM Lee: 'Retirement means death'
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... yeah right...Originally posted by TehJarVu:i like singapore
the family, the friends, the food, the fun, the safty
i don't want to go anywhere else
only thing is, it is expensive...
must be liveable........ when i get old....
... it will continue to get increasingly more expenisve to live here...
... and saftey? haven't you been reading about all the robberies going on here and they don't even mention whether they were committed by locals or foreigners...
... and when you get old, you'd be given a pittance to get by on till your last friggin day, for all the hard earned money they forcefully take from you through your working life all in the faked name of Retirement Fund ...
... oh, don't be taken in by their scams like Annuity and all the other crap like Medisave, Medifund, and what nought... in the end, you still pay on top of it all.... -
kanina.
I say singapore got such politicians like MM Lee that is truly death and the end of singapore lah -
thats the strategy which is called : divide and conquer. we are divided and conquered.Originally posted by HyperFocal:... yeah...everyone's balls are in their hands for safe keeping...
... until you decide to up and go, they'll give em back to you...
... one courageous Dr Chee can't rock much... but ONE MILLION ordinary folks would do the job really well... -
like i said last timeOriginally posted by HyperFocal:... yeah...everyone's balls are in their hands for safe keeping...
... until you decide to up and go, they'll give em back to you...
... one courageous Dr Chee can't rock much... but ONE MILLION ordinary folks would do the job really well...
want to hold a strike,..can...but the rest better dont pang seh...lose face sia liddat u go down alone then everyone else dont -
next time, our children would be told that they fathers sold their liberties for safety and money. so they have no right to demand -
we are all taken for a ride. the people were told to give P4P power so that the country will progress to prosperity. Little did we know that the money belongs to the state and not the people. suckers. -
yes. the downfall of singapore is imminent.Originally posted by iceball:kanina.
I say singapore got such politicians like MM Lee that is truly death and the end of singapore lah -
oklaOriginally posted by ^tamago^:yes. the downfall of singapore is imminent.
kudos for him building up singapore in the past
but he is just being selfish..
obsessed -
senile liao...
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He will never give up power, this old fu*cker.
'Retirement means death', this is quite true in some countries.
Bas*tards despots once they lose power, they are killed by their opponents at once. -
Lee Kuan Yew's First World Country. Or Alice in Wonderland.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Lee Kuan Yew wrote a book "From Third World to First" meaning Singapore. This is what Singapore is. Is it a first world country?
The Singapore constitution guarantees freedom of speech and expression. In fact none exist. Dr. Chee is presently undergoing a trial in court for doing just that. That is for allegedly making a speech. To speak you need a license. He did not have it.
The Constitution of Singapore claims there is rule of law. There is none. All judges are appointed at the pleasure of Lee Kuan Yew and removed if he is displeased. In order to please Lee Kuan Yew and to keep their jobs, they always punish LeeÂ’s opponents. Regardless of any law.
All newspapers and news media is wholly owned and controlled by the Lee Kuan Yew government. Therefore they publish only politically correct news or rather propaganda. The head of the executive committee in the Straits Times, the largest newspaper is Miss Chua Mui Hoong. She is an intelligence of officer with Internal Security Department, the government intelligence agency in Singapore whose main job is to arrest and convict political opponents and detain them indefinitely without trial. As well as her job as intelligence officer, she doubles as an editor of the paper.
The Singapore government claims that their GDP is several millions or billions and that the per capita income is US$20,000 or more. This gives the impression that Singaporeans are rich. Nothing is further from the truth. Singapore has a few millionaires from abroad, who are parking their money there. Most of it is illegal money. Singapore is a money laundering center used by Burmese drug lords and Indonesian criminals who defrauded banks in Indonesia. These have placed their illegal millions in Singapore banks.
The money of these criminals inflates the GDP of the country as a whole. In fact about half of Singaporeans can barely survive and many are unable to pay even their utility bills. Many of these people are just above the poverty line or below. Since Singapore does not provide any reasonable welfare payments for the underprivileged, they are given a few hindered dollars a month and asked to fend for themselves. The government is not interested in these people. Lee Kuan Yew believes that it is their own fault that they have not succeeded in life.
As most Singaporeans live in high rise government built flats, it makes it convenient for suicides. All they have to do is to jump off their high rise apartments. By this method, suicide is guaranteed. Recently with the government having built the Mass Rapid Transport rail system, people have been jumping onto oncoming trains to kill themselves. At the latest figures, there are at least 2 suicides a day. Most of those who die this way come from the half of Singapore who lives in poverty or just above the poverty line. The government is not bothered by these suicides. They may even be glad these people have gone. Lee Kuan Yew only wants successful people. In his thinking, mediocre people have no right to live anyway. Hitler too thought that way. Hitler killed disabled people.
Singapore has CPF. It stands for Central Provident Fund. It is meant to give you retirement savings when you reach 55. Lee has now declared that it is no longer going to pay anything when you reach 55. Lee wants people to continue working until they die. He believes retirement is a bad thing. Retirement he says, kills people. He has stated he does not intend to retire. He expects others to follow his example. Yesterday, he said in a Straits Times interview that at his age of 84, he still cycles, swims and does rock climbing among other vigorous feats on a daily basis. Although he has not said that he intends to run the marathon in under 2 hours, he may very well be planning that! But looking at his picture he looked more a frail old man. Whether it was a case of dementia or other mental illness, it is hard to say. The report did not make clear whether he wanted Singaporeans to exercise like him.
There is no minimum wage law or anti discriminatory laws in Singapore. Any employer can discriminate against Malays and Indians in employment by a simple expedient. By requiring them to have knowledge of Chinese. There was one case where an Indian knew spoken Chinese. He was still refused the job when the employer then required a new qualification, knowledge of written Chinese! I have heard another case where even though the non Chinese knew both spoken and written Chinese he was still refused the job! He did not know the principles of Confucianism and Taoism by heart!
Older people even though fit and well are still refused jobs. They are told they are too old. There was one case where the man was 60 and very fit. He was still denied the job. He could not run the mile in under 4 minutes!
These older people in Singapore who are kicked out of their jobs do not have any retirement. The CPF is not given to them. In any case, the do not have any CPF funds anyway. The government makes house prices so expensive that they have used all their money in CPF to pay for the house. When they are old, they have no retirement, no savings and no job. So the older Singaporeans end up as toilet cleaners and food stall table cleaners. You can see them every where in Singapore. Their ages range from 65 to 95. Even if they can hardly stand, they must work. Otherwise they starve. According to Lee Kuan Yew, if they are suffering, it is their own fault for not becoming an offshore banker!
In Singapore you can hardly hear anyone talking politics. They are silent. Government informers are everywhere and are all ears. It has been known that simple people who have been discovered criticizing the government have suddenly descended into all sorts of problems. They suddenly lost their jobs and their promotions. Many of them have had no choice other than the only job available to such cases. Toilet cleaners. So when you see a younger man who is a toilet cleaner, you can probably guess why. He must have criticized the government and was found out.
In Singapore you cannot chew gum. If you did, it will be confiscated and you will be punished. I do not know whether the police will use the gum in your mouth as evidence. If so, how do they compel you to spit it out? And if you refused, can Singapore cop use force to pry open your mouth, stick their finger in it, to force it out! I do not know how they do it, in this first world country! I shudder to think.
Singapore claimed recently that it has become a more liberal country. And to prove it they have now allowed bar top dancing. It is like this. Girls or young women are first required to remove their upper garments. As for lower garments, they can keep them on, but it has to be flimsy. In other words, not too much clothing. Something like a bikini is preferred. They then are asked to stand on top of a bar and to dance. As to what kind of dance is not specified. I do not believe that ballet is one of the acceptable dances but other kinds are permissible. Dances like the samba, the gig, salsa or disco is fine I think. But I am not too sure. I think bars may hand a list of acceptable dances. I am not sure.
The dancing is accompanied by music. Men are encouraged to surround the bar and admire the women. Also perhaps their dancing proficiency. I am not sure if the men are allowed to touch the women but I understand that different establishments have different rules. Someone had asked what this bar top dancing had even remotely to do with the government's claim of liberalizing the country; but the question remains unanswered.
I understand that recently Dr. Vivian Balakrishnan, who is a minister in Lee Kuan Yew's government, had discouraged this rather unusual trick of bar top dancing. He correctly pointed out the women may fall off the bar table and injure themselves, as well as others in the fall; the boyfriends of the women on the bar top may start fighting with each other and murder and mayhem may ensue; and all other manner of untold problems may come about. I understand that the women in Singapore, have decided to take the advice of the minister, like they always do in Singapore, and have stopped the practice altogether. I do not know whether Lee Kuan Yew will have any other equally unconventional means of liberalizing Singapore, but we will have to wait and see...
http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/01/lee-kuan-yews-first-world-country-or.html -
You're only divided and conquered if you allow it to happen.Originally posted by Daddy!!:thats the strategy which is called : divide and conquer. we are divided and conquered.
The strategy is best used in our foreign policy dealings though. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
why the double standards? why do ministers get pension?
[b]'Retirement means death'
Urging seniors to stay active, MM Lee says research shows those who lead sedentary lives after retirement die quickly
Straits Times, The (Singapore)
January 12, 2008
Author: Clarissa Oon
Mr Lee also defended Singapore's Central Provident Fund (CPF) scheme and argued against pensions for the elderly, which have to be supported by tax revenues.
The CPF scheme, he said, helps Singapore to remain competitive, saying it aims for 'minimum tax rates and maximum self-sufficiency'.
'This way you are not passing the burden (of caring for the elderly) to the next generation,' he added.
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and is the govt not passing the burden to all singaporeans by paying its ministers such out-of-this-world salary? -
Hmm I agreed with MM Lee.
"Retirement means death for our economy"
This is bleak picture to view at but probably it is so.
No matter what he had said now, the situation in the future will probably force us to work until we are very very old. -
Did Dr Goh Keng Swee retire at 55 or 60 or 62? Is he still alive?
Did Dr Toh Chin Chye retire at 55 or 60 or 62? Is he still alive?
OneÂ’s life is decided by God. It is not retirement, running, playing Golf etc.
If one does more good deed than bad deed may live longer as he/she are useful to the communities and society. So, it may be LKY do more good deed then bad deed rather than running and playing golf. There are many people running daily and some of them die during their run. -
Lee the antichrist
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my wife's grandma, 90+, long time ago retired already, still in very good health, can eat, can play...
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Think the title should have been "death means retirement".
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this is what i thought of lst...Originally posted by SBS3625D:Think the title should have been "death means retirement". -
If i'm the emperor of Singapore i also don't want to retire!
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Perhaps he was reflecting on his old friend and contemporary, Suharto.
Singapore's Lee sees Suharto in hospital
Reuters
Sunday, January 13, 2008; 12:42 AM
JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesia's former president Suharto, who suffered multiple organ failure on Friday and is on a ventilator, was visited by his friend and contemporary, Singapore's Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, on Sunday morning.
Suharto, who ruled the country for more than three decades, was either sleeping or unconscious when Lee entered his room, according to former state secretary Moerdiono, who was also at Suharto's bedside.
Moerdiono told reporters afterward that Lee, accompanied by Suharto's three daughters, went up to the 86-year-old former general to touch him.
Lee, 84, flew in from Singapore especially to see the Suharto, but left the hospital without talking to reporters. He is due to give a news conference later on Sunday.
While relations between neighboring Singapore and Indonesia have often been difficult over the years, Lee Kuan Yew and Suharto maintained close relations.
In his autobiography, Lee described Suharto, who was forced to step down in 1998 in the face of a student-led uprising, as "a quiet man, courteous and punctilious on form and protocol."
"He is not an intellectual, but he has the ability to select able economists and administrators to be his ministers" Lee wrote in his autobiography.
Lee appears to be the first foreign dignitary to visit Suharto in hospital.
Family members have gathered there as Suharto's health deteriorated during the week, while a "who's who" of Indonesian society, including relatives, various government ministers, businessmen, religious leaders and military men, have flocked to his bedside to pay their respects.
Suharto was taken to Pertamina hospital on January 4 suffering from anemia and low blood pressure due to heart, lung and kidney problems. His health worsened on Friday and he was put on a ventilator.
Suharto came to power after an abortive coup on September 30, 1965 that was officially blamed on the communist party. Up to 500,000 people were killed in anti-communist purges in the months that followed.
After Suharto quit office, he was charged with embezzling hundreds of millions of dollars of state funds, but the government later dropped the case due to his poor health.
He and his family deny any wrongdoing.
(Writing by Sara Webb; Editing by Jerry Norton)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/12/AR2008011200326.html -
This is not the United States of Whatever.Originally posted by shade343:WE NEED CHANGE!
ARE YOU READY FOR CHANGE?
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PRESIDENT 2008!
PS: Obama for President! -
well lets put it this way...
why he say retire means die.. thats because he is working in a super duper good job and he is reluctant to leave.. I mean who in the right frame of mind would wanna quit a 6 , 7 figure pay job man.. If i were him i will damn well work till maybe 70 la... ITs hell of a good pay man..
Imagine he is a macdonald counter boy. You think he will still say that
"Retirement means death"
i think he will say
"retirements means good because i hate taking burgers.... and my pay is only a 4 figure or 3 figure pay"
People will never understand how does it feel like, unless the thing happens on them...
Its easy to tell people to forgive and forget, when the actual thing happens to you. Will you be able to forgive and forget?
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Thoughts of death have become Lee Kuan Yew's constant obsession.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The state owned and controlled Singapore newspaper the Straits Times, just as the entire mass media is state owned and controlled in Singapore; has this story "Retirement means death, don't stop working: MM Lee" Jan 11, 2008.
In it Lee Kuan Yew says what he does to keep alive as long as possible. The trick, he says is to keep active and challenged with work. And to cycle, swim among other forms of exercise which he does. A sedentary life he says, will be the end.
Lee Kuan Yew is 84 years old. In September, he will be 85. We all become old and die. But in Lee Kuan Yew's case, he appears almost obsessed with thoughts of death. He fears death. He appears desperately trying to prolong life, as if every minute counts. He appears afraid to die! The question is why?
Fyodor Dostoevsky was a great Russian novelist. Among his books is the acclaimed "Crime and Punishment". The story is that of a young man who kills an old woman, a woman deaf dumb and evil. Evil because she was a moneylender in St Petersburg, his town, who lent money to peasants at enormous rates of interest. She had ruined the lives of many. But she was rich. The young man killed the woman and stole the money. He reckoned that killing her was no loss to society. She was an evil old woman. On the other hand, the money would help his family and send his sister to college. The benefit to society by her death outweighed the crime. So he killed her and took her money.
The young man, after the murder was progressively overcome by guilt. His conscience was killing him day by day. Eventually overcome by the sense of guilt, he goes to the police and confesses. And in confessing he becomes whole again. He is relived. The burden on his back is gone.
Dostoevsky's point is this. Man has to account to his conscience. And conscience is actually a living Hell, much worse than any Hell after death. I think in Mr. Lee Kuan Yew's case, he fears death. It is his conscience troubling him. He is afraid to die. He fears what lies ahead. He fears for his children; what will become of them. Will a truly representative government come about in Singapore? Will his children have to flee the country with their money. Will the future government of Singapore apply for their extradition to Singapore? Will they have to stand trial? Will they have to go to jail?
Then again it is the evil that he has done. What about his detaining Lim Chin Seong under the ISA, torturing him, his suffering under solitary confinement, his being injected with psychotropic drugs, the electric shocks, the beatings and the suffering that he endured for many years. Was it necessary? Was it for the good of Singapore? Or was it for himself?
Many others. What about the suffering of Chia Thye Poh the longest serving prisoner of conscience in the world! Why was it necessary for Lee Kuan Yew to punish a man so?
What about JB Jeyaretnam? What about Dr. Chee Soon Juan? Was all this done in the name of the Republic of Singapore or was it done for himself? What about the innocent men and women who were labelled Marxist Conspirators and tortured?
Is Lee Kuan Yew now, at the age of 84 suffering pangs of conscience? Is he the young man in Dostoyevky's Crime and Punishment?
This deliberate attempt to do all this for the purpose of prolonging life will have a negative effect. He is clearly afraid of death. He has created a situation in Singapore where the country is unable to continue upon his death. So he fears death. For himself. For his family and for his country.
In fact this obsessive fear on his part; in fact has the opposite effect. In his desperate attempt to prolong life even by the minute, his end approaches even faster.
As for any other man, I am sorry for him. Human decency requires me to say so. Poor man.
Gopalan Nair
http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/01/thoughts-of-death-have-become-lee-kuan.html