MM Lee: 'Retirement means death'
-
I'm a newcomer to this forum but I am surprised at the amount of anger and helplessness in some of the posts here.
I've been a victim of this before but does anyone have an anecdote of something that actually worked out well?
I mean where they saw something they thought was wrong and wrote in to the minister or did something else and that matter was then corrected?
We can't all have nothing but horror stories to tell? Can we? -
He wants power, once retire he lost everything,
-
Even Mahathir can retire graciously.
I wonder why Lee Kuan Yew can't.
Strange fellow Lee Kuan Yew.
He will never let go of power Lee Kuan Yew. -
Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth. -Albert Einstein
This is a country not a family business, even if retirement means death, so be it. LKY die is better than to cause suffering for Singaporeans with his failing brain that still wanna to hold power. To do the right thing is to retired now, LKY have you waken up your idea?
-
why this old man dun wanna shut up and let go? time to let go..old man, time to let go...
-
Political power is indeed very tempting.
Power to rule over the people.
To dictate.
To make people kowtow to your will.
Make people fear you.
Spread propaganda to make people support you.
No one can give up such power that easily.
It's not easy at all.
Ask Lee Kuan Yew. -
... while Retirement meant Death for our Excellancy & Honorary LKY, but it means many different things to the many different people with differring incomes, who are not likely able to leave, or who doesn't wants to leave, and who are likely to expire in Singapore....
... for farksake, why can't such an Almighty Man allow people to choose how they die? -
It's just the bad luck for us to have this type of man to rule Singapore.
Hell bent on controlling the lives of people. -
onli one word ---selfish, selfishess cannot progress to a gracious society
-
pure propanganda
-
Tell the old man don't impose his personal belief on others. He is not to run the lives of Singaporeans. Live a control freak, die a control freak. The serious problem with old man and PAP is that they indulge in saying stuff to control lives of the nation.
Old man wants to work till he dies it is his business but don't expect us to follow suit. Enough is enough.
Taiwan people had spoken and DPP in Taiwan suffered pathetic and great loss so I am waiting to see if the locals will do the same to PAP. -
Suharto not getting honours he deserves: MM
TODAYonline
Monday • January 14, 2008
JAKARTA — Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew says that many have forgotten what former Indonesian President Suharto has done for his country. He was in Jakarta yesterday to visit the critically-ill Mr Suharto.
Speaking to the media after he left the hospital, Mr Lee said Mr Suharto is not getting the recognition he deserves.
Adding that he came to pay tribute, he said: "I feel sad to see a very old friend with whom I had worked closely over the last 30 years not really getting the honours that he deserves. He deserves recognition for what he did. And the younger generations — both in Indonesia and in the world — do not remember where Indonesia started. I do.
"He gave Indonesia progress and development. He educated the population. He built roads and infrastructure. And from Sukarno's konfrontasi and other foreign policy excesses, he stabilised international relations, cooperated in Asean and made Asean more successful than SARC in South Asia. And today, we have a stable South-east Asia.
"Yes, there was corruption. Yes, he gave favours to his family and his friends. But there was real growth and real progress. I think the people of Indonesia are lucky. They had a general in charge, had a team of competent administrators — including a very good team of economists to build up the country."
Mr Lee went on to put the developments in perspective.
"From '67 when he became President right up to '97, the economy grew and Indonesia was on the point of taking off. It didn't take off not because of his fault but because Bank Indonesia's interest rate was too high."
Mr Suharto's condition worsened yesterday, two days after he suffered multiple organ failure, doctors said. — AGENCIES
He couldn't think less of that of himself, so in his view, corruption is OK, as long as there's progress overall, even if majority of it goes to the elites. -
If I get his pay & the perks, I also won't retire.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Yeah, to keep the economy going at all costs and make sure people don't have free time and money to fight politically.
Which job can give u first class travel, free medical, housing, service staff & high salary with no retirement age? -
Yeah man I agree.....for too long people think that just because he says something, its the golden truth....well I say this...I may be far from retirement, but after speaking to several people in their 60s, they would rather retire and do some hobbies to keep their minds active....bottomline is....do whatever you want with retirement....and it does not mean you MUST work even after retirement......of course I dispute that the middle and lower classes have to work because of the high costs of living....and we all know who's fault it isOriginally posted by HyperFocal:... I feel that the crux of it all, is that we SHOULD be allowed our RIGHTS to choose HOW we want to end our life... be it keeping busy till we die, or retiring at a desired or set age and going easy till the end...
... I mean, we are (& SHOULD) be entitled to our preferences or choice in the matter of LIFE as a CITIZEN....
... right now, we're mere Farm Animals.. herded, force fed policies, & told when to die...
... what the fark kind of living is this?? We're like farking stripped clean of any crumb of Human Rights!!!!
... I say, to those who can fly, please... do fly away to where you live a more dignified life... -
lol. hes implying singaporeans must work until their dying day? whats this? animal farm?
in US and europe once ppl grow old and retire they have money to be able to go travelling and see the world.
in singapore old also must clean tables in hawker center -
Again, why do you chaps get so worked up over his words.
He say jump, you all say how high meh? -
We have to work till we die as we have to keep the economy going by feeding these greedy insatiable PAP and the old man. We have to work work work till we die to enable PAP to get their super unreasonable exceeded world class salary. Without us working it is impossible they still get paid with such sickening unreasonable exceeded world class pay. So old man wants us to work till we die.Originally posted by vulpes macrotis mutica:fair enough.
what a motherfcuking first class dysfunctional prick who regards himself as a perfect example that old people shouldn't retire but is actually, in reality, senile to the fact that he is the only person with a loss of mental faculties still drawing a ridiculous amount of money from the general population.
edit: grammar
He has better stop his nuisance to control us, he is no different from Empress Dowager. The way he is does not command respect from us. -
His main purpose is for you to work and work, while they earn more money by not retire.
-
Hello, that is precisely what I meant in my message above.Originally posted by sunnytv:His main purpose is for you to work and work, while they earn more money by not retire. Insatiable greedy pigs PAP! Enjoy filthy undeserved exceeded world class pay at our expense.
In other country, they would have been gotten rid of by the nation. Look at what happen in Taiwan over the weekend. The people of Taiwan had spoken and DPP suffers great and pathetic loss. Thereafter, Bian resigns as the Party's Chairman. Doubt the same will happen in Singapore. -
The people of Taiwan had spoken and DPP suffers great and pathetic loss. Thereafter, Bian resigns as the Party's Chairman. Doubt the same will happen in Singapore.
Taiwan has a free press.
Because of this free press, the Taiwanese are aware about political issues and are well-informed.
Their level of political knowledge and awareness is at a high level.
Singapore has a state controlled propaganda press.
Because of this propaganda press, Singaporeans can never be aware of anything political and they are ill-informed or even mis-informed.
Their level of political knowledge and awareness is at a low level.
So, for people in Singapore to rise up against the PAP ruling clique will take time. -
What you said are true. What I see is that not all but majority of the people in Singapore are not politically mature to want to make any stand. Instead of looking at making a stand with a positive mind, they take it negatively. Really sad.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Taiwan has a free press.
Because of this free press, the Taiwanese are aware about political issues and are well-informed.
Their level of political knowledge and awareness is at a high level.
Singapore has a state controlled propaganda press.
Because of this propaganda press, Singaporeans can never be aware of anything political and they are ill-informed or even mis-informed.
Their level of political knowledge and awareness is at a low level.
So, for people in Singapore to rise up against the PAP ruling clique will take time. -
Instead of looking at making a stand with a positive mind, they take it negatively. Really sad.
It cannot be blamed.
Those who had opposed PAP regime in the past had been crushed.
So, opposition to PAP regime is now associated with being crushed.
This type of thing needs quite a long time to overcome.
If this generation cannot do it, then the next generation hopefully will.
Singapore was a politically active society before the arrival to power of the PAP regime, you must remember that. -
So do you see any positive change after old man Lee passes away?Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:It cannot be blamed.
Those who had opposed PAP regime in the past had been crushed.
So, opposition to PAP regime is now associated with being crushed.
This type of thing needs quite a long time to overcome.
If this generation cannot do it, then the next generation hopefully will.
Singapore was a politically active society before the arrival to power of the PAP regime, you must remember that.
Old man is the main or mastermind pillar of PAP. By the way, when i said majority not politically mature, I refer to both the common folks and the opposition. Seems old man Lee is like a bad evil wolf who is ever ready prowling to devour. -
So do you see any positive change after old man Lee passes away?
Hard to say.
There are no strong rivals in Singapore that can take on the PAP hegemon.
PAP regime controls all the instruments of power in this country.
Their rule is secure.
If they can get the majority of the people to follow the system, then maybe they can last, if not, then we will be living in interesting times.
But nothing lasts forever.
Not even the PAP regime. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
of course suharto dun deserve the respect... he made indonesia to become so poor...
[b]Suharto not getting honours he deserves: MM
TODAYonline
Monday • January 14, 2008
JAKARTA — Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew says that many have forgotten what former Indonesian President Suharto has done for his country. He was in Jakarta yesterday to visit the critically-ill Mr Suharto.
Speaking to the media after he left the hospital, Mr Lee said Mr Suharto is not getting the recognition he deserves.
Adding that he came to pay tribute, he said: "I feel sad to see a very old friend with whom I had worked closely over the last 30 years not really getting the honours that he deserves. He deserves recognition for what he did. And the younger generations — both in Indonesia and in the world — do not remember where Indonesia started. I do.
"He gave Indonesia progress and development. He educated the population. He built roads and infrastructure. And from Sukarno's konfrontasi and other foreign policy excesses, he stabilised international relations, cooperated in Asean and made Asean more successful than SARC in South Asia. And today, we have a stable South-east Asia.
"Yes, there was corruption. Yes, he gave favours to his family and his friends. But there was real growth and real progress. I think the people of Indonesia are lucky. They had a general in charge, had a team of competent administrators — including a very good team of economists to build up the country."
Mr Lee went on to put the developments in perspective.
"From '67 when he became President right up to '97, the economy grew and Indonesia was on the point of taking off. It didn't take off not because of his fault but because Bank Indonesia's interest rate was too high."
Mr Suharto's condition worsened yesterday, two days after he suffered multiple organ failure, doctors said. — AGENCIES
He couldn't think less of that of himself, so in his view, corruption is OK, as long as there's progress overall, even if majority of it goes to the elites.[/b]