MM Lee Visit Suharto In Hospital
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JAKARTA (AP): Former Singaporean leader Lee Kuan Yew went to the hospital Sunday to visit his old friend, the ailing former Indonesian dictator Suharto, who was showing slight signs of improvement after being placed on life-support for organ failure.
A seemingly healthy Lee, who wore a dark blue suit and tie, did not comment to reporters as he headed to Suharto's room, where family members and friends gathered in recent days to pray for his recovery.
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LKY said on his visit to Suharto in hospital that Indonesians are not being grateful to Suharto. He said that as long as there is progress and development corruption and cronyism do not matter.
Such a statement clearly reflected on his own policies in running Singapore. Is he still incorruptible as he once was regarding corruptions.
When it comes to running the country, or doing businesses with a friend like Suharto will he compromise between friendship and crimes.
If say corruptions take place in our shore and CPIB has the duty to look into such a crime, and is going to do it will he let the CPIB independently investigate or intervene for friendship. How will he deal with such a situation.
Surely the CPIB will want to investigate if there is corruptions going on and take necessary actions under our laws.
By his statement that as long as there is progress under Suharto, corruption or practizing cronyism does not matter. What does he mean now - is corruption now a crime and dependent on his degree of friendship with anyone?
If there is corruptions affecting friends will he let CPIB carry out its duty or intervene to stop the investigation as implied by his latest statement. -
He said that as long as there is progress and development corruption and cronyism do not matter.
Did he really said that?
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Originally posted by robertteh:LKY said on his visit to Suharto in hospital that Indonesians are not being grateful to the achievements of Suharto. He said that as long as there is progress and development corruption and cronyism do not matter.
Such a statement clearly reflected on his own policies in running Singapore. Is he still incorruptible and free from cronyism in the running Singapore as he was made out to be in all his previous statements regarding corruptions.
When it comes to running the country, or doing businesses with a friend like Suharto will he be able to draw the line between friendship and crimes.
If say corruptions take place in our shore and CPIB has the duty to look into such a crime, and is going to do it will he let the CPIB independently investigate or intervene for friendship. How will he deal with such a situation.
Surely the CPIB will want to investigate if there is corruptions going on and take necessary actions under our laws.
By his statement that as long as there is progress under Suharto, corruption or practizing cronyism does not matter. What does he mean now - is corruption now a crime and dependent on his degree of friendship with anyone?
If there is corruptions affecting friends will he let CPIB carry out its duty or intervene to stop the investigation as implied by his latest statement.
Thats LKY above
For CPIB,i suspect the organisation itself is corrupted. -
I believe that Lee Kuan Yew's visit also serves another purpose
Sending out a message to Indonesians that Singapore cares
Indirectly bolstering ties -
Originally posted by CoolMyth:
MM Lee says Indonesia's Suharto not getting the recognition he deserves
[b]He said that as long as there is progress and development corruption and cronyism do not matter.
Did he really said that? [/b]
By Channel NewsAsia's Indonesia Bureau Chief Sujadi Siswo | Posted: 13 January 2008 1822 hrs
JAKARTA: Singapore's Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew visited former Indonesian president Suharto at a hospital in Jakarta on Sunday.
Mr Suharto is in a "very critical condition" after suffering multiple organ failure.
Speaking to Singapore media after the visit, MM Lee praised the former president for bringing progress and development to Indonesia, and stability to the region.
As Mr Suharto has been widely criticised for corruption and human rights abuses during his 32-year rule, Mr Lee said he is sad that the former leader is not getting the recognition he deserves.
Mr Lee is the first foreign leader to visit Mr Suharto after he was admitted to the hospital more than a week ago.
The minister mentor was briefed by Mr Suharto's doctors before entering the ward where the 86-year-old ex-leader remains in critical condition.
Mr Lee said he has come to visit and pay tribute to an old friend.
He said: "I feel sad to see a very old friend with whom I had worked closely over the last 30 years, not really getting the honours that he deserves. He deserves recognition for what he did. And the younger generations – both in Indonesia and in the world – do not remember where Indonesia started. I do. That's why I came here to visit him.
"He gave Indonesia progress and development. He educated the population. He built roads and infrastructure. And from Sukarno's konfrontasi and other foreign policy excesses, he stabilised international relations, cooperated in ASEAN and made ASEAN more successful than SARC in South Asia. And today, we have a stable Southeast Asia."
Despite the growth and prosperity that Mr Suharto brought, the former military general has come under heavy criticism for abusing his power.
Mr Lee said: "Yes, there was corruption. Yes, he gave favours to his family and his friends. But there was real growth and real progress. I think the people of Indonesia are lucky. They had a general in charge, had a team of competent administrators – including a very good team of economists to build up the country."
Mr Suharto was forced to step down from office in 1998, soon after the Asian financial crisis that derailed the Indonesian economy.
Many had put the blame on the former president. But Mr Lee put the developments in perspective.
He said: "From '67 when he became president right up to '97, the economy grew and Indonesia was on the point of taking off the economy. It didn't take off not because of his fault (but) because bank Indonesia's interest rate was too high, and so the companies borrowed in USD for low interest rates. When confidence was lost after the Thai baht crisis and people wanted to pull their money out, the whole thing collapsed. It was not his fault."
Comparing Mr Suharto to former Myanmar leader Ne Win, who came to power almost at the same time, Mr Lee said Indonesia is doing better now because of Mr Suharto's leadership.
Through decades of formal ties established as leaders of two neighbouring countries, it is clear that a strong bond exists between the two former heads who played a significant part in the growth and development of their respective countries as well as within the region.
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Lee Kuan Yew forgot to mention the liquidation of the Indonesian communists:
The Mass Killings in Indonesia After 40 Years
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Roosa-Nevins1031.htm
Ex-agents say CIA compiled death lists for Indonesians
http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html
The slaughters in Indonesia, 1965-66
http://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/the-slaughters-in-indonesia-1965/
Indonesia, master card in WashingtonÂ’s hand
http://mondediplo.com/1998/06/02chomsky -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
This was a powerful response and condemnation of the attempts to whitewash Suharto's legacy.
Lee Kuan Yew forgot to mention the liquidation of the Indonesian communists:
[b]The Mass Killings in Indonesia After 40 Years
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Roosa-Nevins1031.htm
Ex-agents say CIA compiled death lists for Indonesians
http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html
The slaughters in Indonesia, 1965-66
http://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/the-slaughters-in-indonesia-1965/
Indonesia, master card in WashingtonÂ’s hand
http://mondediplo.com/1998/06/02chomsky[/b]
After this timely reminder, I cannot find it in my heart to be persuaded to sympathize with that dying man.
I feel pathetic to need a post like this to maintain my perspective.
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we are all human being, most of us only remember what has been wrong or not that perfect...
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To mention Ne Win, another thug.. takes the cake.
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if you idiots think that you can make a difference, then why are you complaining here? -
From one despot to another despot.
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Note the massacre of chinese after the fall of suharto. that wouldn't have happen if he is in control
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One wonders if LKY is really senile to speak those words.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
The above is one of the many posts for us to be vigilant of LKY's propaganda.
Lee Kuan Yew forgot to mention the liquidation of the Indonesian communists:
[b]The Mass Killings in Indonesia After 40 Years
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Roosa-Nevins1031.htm
Ex-agents say CIA compiled death lists for Indonesians
http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html
The slaughters in Indonesia, 1965-66
http://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/the-slaughters-in-indonesia-1965/
Indonesia, master card in WashingtonÂ’s hand
http://mondediplo.com/1998/06/02chomsky[/b] -
well if you noticed, everytime LKY goes to indonesia, he visits suharto.
he regards suharto as an important friend. they've been in power for roughly the same period of time. -
brothers in arms mahz..Originally posted by sir_peanuts:well if you noticed, everytime LKY goes to indonesia, he visits suharto.
he regards suharto as an important friend. they've been in power for roughly the same period of time.
wanna lead. lead together
wanna corrupt, corrupt together...
maybe he`s just there to snear at him.
`the legal corrupt` is indeed more powerful..
2 million in a yr? no prob! -
Suharto is dying, Mr Lee visited him and said some nice things about him, it's as simple as that. And isn't it true that there was actually real progress under Suharto vis-a-vis under a Sukarno administration whose policies were detriment to the region?
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Quincey,
I don't think anyone will disagree that some good did arise during his reign. But we have to remember that along with the bad. That's what having a balanced perspective is all about. -
When u are sick,poor,not--in--power,still under charge of corruption,
bad images in international medias and going to die,some one still visit
you.He is really a friend.
But if the visitor still in power,shake hand with current US President
and MNC top boss,he is a real friend.
LKY is a real friend to Suharto.Lee took some risks to visit him
I wonder Indo. government can gurantee his safety. -
Birds of a Feather, Flock Together. -
Suharto not getting honours he deserves: MM
TODAYonline
Monday • January 14, 2008
JAKARTA — Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew says that many have forgotten what former Indonesian President Suharto has done for his country. He was in Jakarta yesterday to visit the critically-ill Mr Suharto.
Speaking to the media after he left the hospital, Mr Lee said Mr Suharto is not getting the recognition he deserves.
Adding that he came to pay tribute, he said: "I feel sad to see a very old friend with whom I had worked closely over the last 30 years not really getting the honours that he deserves. He deserves recognition for what he did. And the younger generations — both in Indonesia and in the world — do not remember where Indonesia started. I do.
"He gave Indonesia progress and development. He educated the population. He built roads and infrastructure. And from Sukarno's konfrontasi and other foreign policy excesses, he stabilised international relations, cooperated in Asean and made Asean more successful than SARC in South Asia. And today, we have a stable South-east Asia.
"Yes, there was corruption. Yes, he gave favours to his family and his friends. But there was real growth and real progress. I think the people of Indonesia are lucky. They had a general in charge, had a team of competent administrators — including a very good team of economists to build up the country."
Mr Lee went on to put the developments in perspective.
"From '67 when he became President right up to '97, the economy grew and Indonesia was on the point of taking off. It didn't take off not because of his fault but because Bank Indonesia's interest rate was too high."
Mr Suharto's condition worsened yesterday, two days after he suffered multiple organ failure, doctors said. — AGENCIES -
Aiyo... visit friend in hospital mah...
u people dont visit ,meh ???
Then, if the friend tat u visit is a bad guy, it means that u r a bad guy ,meh ??? -
That statement very interesting.
Are there similarities between them?
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It is true in some point of view.Originally posted by robertteh:LKY said on his visit to Suharto in hospital that Indonesians are not being grateful to Suharto. He said that as long as there is progress and development corruption and cronyism do not matter.
b4 1998, Indonesia's resources only need to feed one wolf coz that one wolf controls everything in Indonesia...
After 1998, tat one only wolf lose power ... Now, Indonesia's resources need to feed 10 n more wolves...
From this point fo views, "YES"... Indonesians should be grateful to suharto for a better living in previous than now...