How much do we know about Gurkha police in Singapore?
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Already losing suddenly wants to suck up to the Malays...?Originally posted by blackhat_lee:Even the Malays soldiers can be so brave in defending the country, i don't think we should really belittle ourselves and look upon the Gurkhas as our saviour in times of war.
Our leaders should really make clear to the public how much actually did they pay to the Gurkhas.
Heh all those who like to post anti comment on my thread, please use your little brain to think of why i open this thread.I am not posting it for fun, i am trying to question the government why did they need to rely on the Gurkhas instead of our own local police force to defend our important installations and national assets?You mean the government did not trust the local police force?If that is so, may as well disband the Singapore Police Force from Singapore and form a police force that is makeup of entire Gurkhas and name it the 'Singapore Gurkha Police Force'.
Think about what i have said and enjoy the below video about the brave Malays defending the country and this is what i mean by loyalty.I salute to them...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5DKfX1k2z0
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You have no idea what you are trying to do. My childishness pales in comparison to your cluelessness. No Singaporean in their right mind would back your ideas.Originally posted by (human):For strange reason? I don't think it's for strange reason i think it's for Singaporeans' goodness sake. Give me another chance? You thought you are my creator or you really think you have some authority over here? Please have some tea, calm down before you type again. You can have more than 24 hrs as you wish or never. Please take your time.
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Say some more lah. I don't think that is all that you are not satisfied about. Go on and say it out loud. You know what? Why don't you bring this up to your MP or try to get this published in the forum page?
No empty talk please. This forum is for entertainment, not political reforms. -
Maybe he is malay? Does that count as sucking up to himself? I dunno it seems plenty of singaporeans are practicing blind sucking these days.Originally posted by MohamedF:Already losing suddenly wants to suck up to the Malays...?
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No empty talk? This forum is for entertainment, not political reforms?Originally posted by crosshairs:Say some more lah. I don't think that is all that you are not satisfied about. Go on and say it out loud. You know what? Why don't you bring this up to your MP or try to get this published in the forum page?
No empty talk please. This forum is for entertainment, not political reforms.
Told you to take your time. Please have some tea, calm down before you type again. You can have more than 24 hrs as you wish or never. Please take your time. -
International politics can be very complex.
But my sympathy always lies with the soldier fighting on his homeland and defending it. -
Chimp.Originally posted by (human):No empty talk? This forum is for entertainment, not political reforms?
Told you to take your time. Please have some tea, calm down before you type again. You can have more than 24 hrs as you wish or never. Please take your time. -
OK ape, I see that you are very passionate about this anti-LKY anti-Gurkha thing, I would like to see what steps you are taking to bring your ideas into action. I am sure even your dissenters will give you credit for taking positive steps into making our government reconsider their policy on hiring of foreign mercenaries for the purpose of dealing with local population.
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For recording purposes.Originally posted by blackhat_lee:To everyone here reading my post.I have something to say to those who oppose my view.And those who admire the Gurhkas....
The Gurkha will show you no mercy if they have to.So, when the time comes, dont forget about what i said.
As for ....any hard evidence of their high flying pay, there is no evidence but, very simple enough, go and ask the gurkha how much they earn and see if they want to tell you anot.They wont tell you want.Die die for sure they wont tell because it's a top secret between them and our government.Got it!!! -
For recording purposes.Originally posted by (human):The old fart can do that to you too with his Gurkha when anyone threaten his thirst for retaining power. Don't you see that dear boy? -
Using fear tactic? Please crawl back to your masters and tell them it won't works here.Originally posted by crosshairs:For recording purposes. -
Fear? Did that word occur to you?Originally posted by (human):Using fear tactic? Please crawl back to your masters and tell them it won't works here.
I'm sorry, I did it to make sure no one goes back on his/her words. If you feel fear, tell me, I will lessen your fear. -
So, tell us your grand plan now lah.
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Share plan with PAP running dogs? Are you really that naive?Originally posted by crosshairs:So, tell us your grand plan now lah.
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So you have no plans. So that was all empty talk.Originally posted by (human):Share plan with PAP running dogs? Are you really that naive? -
Blackhat_lee,
Im proud to say that you are one of them idiots who believe to be the bearer of all knowledge when clearly, you have little or almost no knowledge on that subject. I say proud because these idiots often tend to hide in their own shell and rarely can we see them flaunt their stupidity as proudly as you seem to be doing.
Here are some answers to all of your senseless accusations.
Did you know it cost a bomb just to employ one Gurkha in Singapore? Did you know we have to feed their entire families too including his wife!
It does not cost a bomb to employ one Gurkha. That is just being stingy. There is over 4 million in Singapore excluding the Gurkhas themselves and Singaporeans incomes are known to be much higher than most. If you spread the amount they pay for taxes, you are barely paying a dollar. And frankly the tax the Government takes from you does not entirely goes to paying the Gurkhas. Maybe if you looked at the budget for the year, you’ll see how widely dispersed your tax is.
The basic pay for a Gurkha does not even see past $1500 and that is only after they are fully enlisted and are at least a minimal rank of Corporal. After they are released from their serve, their pension is about $600-800 which I am sure is not enough to feed his family. The only one essential benefit they have is that housing is provided for by the Government which I am sure they would not be able to afford considering their pay.
And yeah, I would like to see you live without a family and wife for 25years under the ‘rule’ of someone else.
Did you know, they do really do nothing but just standing there guarding something our government claim as important national assets?What you are assuming as guarding something our government claim as important national assets happen to lets see, prisons containing hardcore criminals, airport which have been targeted for bombing, waters surrounding Singapore for escaped criminals from neighboring countries and illegal immigrants, Istana which I am sure even you know of the purpose, government offices which of course is always one of the bull eyes for terrorists, Ministers houses, banks, schools, hospitals…. Shall I continue?
Did you know Gurkha only serve whoever pay him well?Yes, Gurkha does serve whoever pays them. That is but the purpose of MERCENARIES. Mercenaries by definitation are professional soldiers hired to serve in a foreign army for money or other reward
Btw, doesn’t the army, police, air force of SG and not forgetting the millions of people who have a job also serve those who pay them.
As for ....any hard evidence of their high flying pay, there is no evidence but, very simple enough, go and ask the gurkha how much they earn and see if they want to tell you anot.They wont tell you want.Die die for sure they wont tell because it's a top secret between them and our government.Got it!!Why don’t you go to an inspector in the local forces and ask them how much they are paid. Or to a CEO in a local business or even a mini-mart.
It is not a top secret goon. Every high post in any defense force is paid well. They are paid in accordance of their service and contribution (which is intangible and uncountable) towards the country regardless of race. Everyone knows that, they just do not know how much and they are not as persistent as you to find out how much they are paid.
I bet you guys only know half! Gurkha was originally employed by the British to protect their empire from the locals because at that time, the British are afraid that the local police might go against them, so it's better to form a police forces that will be loyal to the British because the British paid them and won't help the locals go against them.
And I am sure during the Japanese occupation in SG, locals did not backstab their own in order to gain favors from the Japanese and many did not warm up to the idea of communism. Not all but a few. And Gurkha soldiers decided that as long as they have money, it was okay to get themselves killed during the war that had nothing to do with them?
Do we still need the Gurkha now? Anyone comment on this topic?
The recent, if I can call it recent, issue when 3 criminals escaped from Malaysia was pretty published all over the news. The Singapore Forces tried catching them but to no avail. Only when they had no other choice did they call the Gurkhas who caught 2 of them almost the same night. The Singapore Force caught one but with the help of Gurkhas.Also during the IMF period, they were deployed to safeguard the meetings. Hence pleasing the mind and hearts of the many different country leaders who have immense respect and faith for the Gurkhas.
With all the rising costs and hike, our dear PAP government still waste so much money on them?Feed their families as well?What do they deserve that?
For the simplest reason that fools like you can sleep safely at night since after NS, there is no intention of you to returning back to the army/police etc to well serve your country.
Everyone that wants a job not only to satisfy their basic need of survival but for higher needs too. If you had to choose between a job that pays well to a job that pay moderately But has a lot of health benefits for you, insurance, which would you choose?
Because they help to protect the Lee's empire?Because the Lee's know long ago that, if one day the price keep going up, the locals might vote against them, and if they are going to change any of the election systems to be in their favour and if the locals including the local police are going to revote, he will deploy all the Gurkha to kill the Singaporeans?Is that so?Or then what could it be?It seems your wrath comes from a ill-fated affection towards MM LKY. I do not see why you hate him so much when he made Singapore who she is today. Yes, almost all of his family has power over SG. But I am sure it if for personal gains and not for social benefits.
Even if they are as power hungry as you suggest, I don’t think they are stupid enough to pull a coup on the entire Singapore just like that. A few of them versus 4million Singaporeans. Geez. Even the Un would be dead set against them.
Last time, when i saw heard of Saw the Gurkha, i look to them with respect.
Yes, till now i still respect them for their loyalty to whoevever pay them well and their well built body and fighting skill.But, the question remains, why did the Lee's employ the Gurkha when we have our own police forces?I think your respect for them can be seriously questioned.
Because Singapore’s police force is not big enough. When it comes to NS time, almost every guy complains and when the chance comes gets out of it. Even after completing their services, they will only ever come back when they have re-enlist. So tell me, if every single person that goes through NS was as loyal, do you think you would need them?
Australia, China, USA, Japan to name a few only, did they employ them?
You are but listing the powerful countries with enough manpower.
NO is the answer.Did their economy or national secruity come under a threat?NO is the answer.So, did they trust their own local police forces?YES is the answer.They have come under a lot of national threat. Their history in the world is much more that of Singapore. Singapore is but still a baby. If you read those countries history, you’ll realize that you’ll answer your own questions.
Now, even their previous master.. the British.. did not employ them in their own homeland.They rather give those money to their own police forces.
So the Gurkhas in Britain pledge their loyalty to a country that does not accept them? The British are more accommodating and welcoming to the Gurkhas than you. Their pay systems and other external benefits like pension is wayyy better that that of SG.So, now the question remains, what is the REAL reason for our dear PAP government or to say it loud, the Lee's families to employ Gurkha???
You can answer that now.
To those who think the Gurkhas are only loyal to those who pays them well and they can pull the triggers on Singaporeans when commanded upon…
Can you don’t be stupid. The Gurkhas are not some puppet has can only be moved by money. They, if you still have not realized are also human. This means they have brains, feelings and mostly common sense. They will not kill any innocent even if they are paid a million bucks. They also know right from wrong even if they are not as well educated as you guys. They are willing to give their lives to serve a different country when the time comes. Are you willing to do that even for your own? Instead if being grateful to them for performing such a courageous act, why are you questioning the one thing that make terrorist fear to attack Singapore? What they do is more than just a job. They are putting their lives into the job too. I don’t see many of you doing that.
Gurkha soldiers leave the comfort of their homes to come and work in a totally different culture and environment as ages as tender at 17. Imagine how scared and lonely they are when they first come here. Most of them do it because they want their families to be proud of them and support them, being a Gurkha is considered one of the best occupation to the citizens of Nepal. They are regarded better than their own politicians.
Being humans, they have needs like you and me. They want a family and they want the best for their families. Gurkha children are given Singapore’s education which is wayyy better than that of their own country. Their kids are given prompt medical treatments when needed. Can we blame them for wanting the best for their kids?
For you ignorant fools, they have to pay school fees, transportation fees, medical fees etc like you and me. Sure some of it is subsidized but are they not subsidizes by the Government for you too?
When they service is over, they have to return back to their homeland with their entire family. Imagine having immersed yourself in one culture and suddenly returning to a country that is totally backwards. How do you think they feel/ especially the children? They are born and raised in Singapore and yet when their dad’s service is over, they have to go back to a country known as their homeland but which they have no ‘experience’ in? Gurkha kids who are born in Singapore are not even allowed to be citizens of Singapore or even PRs a right that they should fairly deserve. They are not allowed to work and either are their mothers.
After their service, their pension is barely enough to cover their expenses. These men have trouble finding a job as good and as qualified as they did in Singapore. They are not allowed to return back to Sg to work. Many have no choice but to choose to work overseas again but who will hire 40odd retired police men now?
They are grateful to Singapore for providing a chance only a lucky few gets and you are complaining?
Instead Blackhat_lee, why don't you sit back and wonder if you have contributed to SG as much as they have. As much as you don’t need them, it is clear that for a while, SG does need them. If you cannot accept it, take it out in the Parliament. I understand your need to question them. But in doing so, there is no need to accuse baselessly and criticise them. Walk a mile in their shoes please.
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Originally posted by crosshairs:
So you have no plans. So that was all empty talk.
Sounds like if there's plan it is needed to share with someone like you. Please don't be that naive.
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You ran out of things to say haven't you?