We, the citizens of Singapore....
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TODAY.... (I know it's already passed 2359, but you get what I mean....) I overheard something which SOMEONE said to someone ELSE.... In order for him (someone ELSE) to enjoy the additional benefits, he'll need to be a citizen and not a PR....
Someone ELSE replied... Why would I wanna be a citizen of Singapore? It's not like alot more benefits I'll get as a citizen as compared to a PR.... Besides.. Other countries give their people REAL RIGHTS... Take care of their people when they cannot feed themselves... Look after the old folks who had contributed to their country... In Singapore, if you're useful then they want you... If you're useless then they'll kick you aside to die on your own....
Before he got to finish, that SOMEONE has already chose to leave him... I just smiled at him...
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reflect on this... which area have we achieve and which we didnt.
Our Pledge
We, the citizens of Singapore,
pledge ourselves as one united people,
regardless of race, language or religion,
to build a democratic society
based on justice and equality
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and
progress for our nation. -
Sad but true. This is what you get when you let despots rule over you.Originally posted by Devil1976:TODAY.... (I know it's already passed 2359, but you get what I mean....) I overheard something which SOMEONE said to someone ELSE.... In order for him (someone ELSE) to enjoy the additional benefits, he'll need to be a citizen and not a PR....
Someone ELSE replied... Why would I wanna be a citizen of Singapore? It's not like alot more benefits I'll get as a citizen as compared to a PR.... Besides.. Other countries give their people REAL RIGHTS... Take care of their people when they cannot feed themselves... Look after the old folks who had contributed to their country... In Singapore, if you're useful then they want you... If you're useless then they'll kick you aside to die on your own....
Before he got to finish, that SOMEONE has already chose to leave him... I just smiled at him...
In my work, I know three PRC girls and two of them are PR's and one work permit holder. They just want to cash in and run back to China.
Looks like the despots here are worse than the despots in China! -
... hmm.. I think I forgot half the pledge alread...
.. maybe because I find it pointless & irrelevant to remember?
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I remember the pledge because it is a constant reminder of the brainwashing that is attempted on Singaporeans from youngOriginally posted by HyperFocal:... hmm.. I think I forgot half the pledge alread...
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From this anecdote I gather that one permanent resident felt there was insufficient incentive for him to pursue a citizenship based on his perception of bad treated by the Government of citizens who could no longer contribute to the economy as compared to other countries.Originally posted by Devil1976:TODAY.... (I know it's already passed 2359, but you get what I mean....) I overheard something which SOMEONE said to someone ELSE.... In order for him (someone ELSE) to enjoy the additional benefits, he'll need to be a citizen and not a PR....
Someone ELSE replied... Why would I wanna be a citizen of Singapore? It's not like alot more benefits I'll get as a citizen as compared to a PR.... Besides.. Other countries give their people REAL RIGHTS... Take care of their people when they cannot feed themselves... Look after the old folks who had contributed to their country... In Singapore, if you're useful then they want you... If you're useless then they'll kick you aside to die on your own....
Before he got to finish, that SOMEONE has already chose to leave him... I just smiled at him...
I have an anecdote also. About 12 years ago I was speaking to someone who had a relative who emigrated to Australia. He was laughing and talking about about plans to bring in more of his relatives because of how good it was there. That after one person got in, you had it made, because you could bring in relatives who would not otherwise qualify and the state welfare would provide for them thereby "supplementing" their household income.
My view on older citizens with regards to CPF is that the progress they have worked so hard for and contribute so much to has devalued their CPF savings and the Government owes it to them to correct this problem. -
... you expect dishonorable immoral despots 'to correct this problem'?Originally posted by phil30k:From this anecdote I gather that one permanent resident felt there was insufficient incentive for him to pursue a citizenship based on his perception of bad treated by the Government of citizens who could no longer contribute to the economy as compared to other countries.
I have an anecdote also. About 12 years ago I was speaking to someone who had a relative who emigrated to Australia. He was laughing and talking about about plans to bring in more of his relatives because of how good it was there. That after one person got in, you had it made, because you could bring in relatives who would not otherwise qualify and the state welfare would provide for them thereby "supplementing" their household income.
My view on older citizens with regards to CPF is that the progress they have worked so hard for and contribute so much to has devalued their CPF savings and the Government owes it to them to correct this problem.
You do not think that it was a calculated policy objective so people have to work after retirement? -
*nod nod*
Singapore citizen not much diff with Singapore PR
Somemore, Singapore male citizen need to waste 2 yrs of their time... But the difference of benefits between PR n citizen cannot cover the waste of precious 2 yrs youth... -
I know someone that went to Australia and came back to work here and he told me that he had the best of both worlds (like all the PRs in Singapore) and do you think that is a good solution or we should demand change?Originally posted by ispyyy:*nod nod*
Singapore citizen not much diff with Singapore PR
Somemore, Singapore male citizen need to waste 2 yrs of their time... But the difference of benefits between PR n citizen cannot cover the waste of precious 2 yrs youth... -
pledge ourselves as one united people,
I believe we have not done this. Whether or not this will happen, we shall see when PAP falls.
The rest... more or less are done. At the expense of the citizens. -
I wonder when Singapore can get rid of this PAP regime and bring in change rather than the same old bullsh*it.
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I think I should just get a gf... marry her... have kids...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I know someone that went to Australia and came back to work here and he told me that he had the best of both worlds (like all the PRs in Singapore) and do you think that is a good solution or we should demand change?
Got enough bread n water for all of us...
Live happily...
(U ask the wrong person liao) -
You black tortoise head ar?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:In my work, I know three PRC girls and two of them are PR's and one work permit holder. They just want to cash in and run back to China.
Looks like the despots here are worse than the despots in China!
Sorry unker I just couldnt resist this one
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Most Singaporeans prefer stability over anything. If a change will bring about instabilities, I doubt if we will ever need a change in government.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I wonder when Singapore can get rid of this PAP regime and bring in change rather than the same old bullsh*it. -
Yes, you asked the wrong person liao... I am already married and ...Originally posted by ispyyy:I think I should just get a gf... marry her... have kids...
Got enough bread n water for all of us...
Live happily...
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this is the gamble that our govt taking in giving out EP/PR. Dunno if they can ever check whether how many has left after cashing inOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Sad but true. This is what you get when you let despots rule over you.
In my work, I know three PRC girls and two of them are PR's and one work permit holder. They just want to cash in and run back to China.
Looks like the despots here are worse than the despots in China!
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You have a problem with English comprehension. I did not say they work for me and those type of girls can also get PR and work permits?Originally posted by Short Ninja:You black tortoise head ar?
Sorry unker I just couldnt resist this one 
On their application forms what do they put for 'profession'? We service 'Short Ninja'? -
There's a history of pension schemes and their not being sufficient due to erosions caused by increased standards of living and inflation and concerns of the impact that welfare places on the tax revenues of the government by draining funds from other projects.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... you expect dishonorable immoral despots 'to correct this problem'?
You do not think that it was a calculated policy objective so people have to work after retirement?
I believe the introduction of CPF was seen as a management solution to shift the responsibility and burden of retirement financing to the citizens and to anticipate erosions with CPF interest rates. The government also benefited from the creation of a source for cheap borrowing.
I hope to see a short term solution by the government to top it up to more realistic values for old citizens. For the longer term, to address changes necessary to allow the CPF to fulfill it's intended purpose.
Otherwise we face the spectre of citizens who renounce citizenship just so they can plan their retirements. -
Most Singaporeans prefer stability over anything. If a change will bring about instabilities, I doubt if we will ever need a change in government.
Change for the better, why not? -
...take hundreds of thousands (HDB, COE, MEDICAL) and give back a few hundreds, won't do it.Originally posted by de_middle:this is the gamble that our govt taking in giving out EP/PR. Dunno if they can ever check whether how many has left after cashing in
Without the foreigners, the salaries would have gone up to decent levels to cope with the rising costs and the take as much money as possible policies the immoral despots make. -
... as someone said, they are immoral. Immoral despots, how can you expect and hope that they will do that without some prodding? They rather spent in on their gambling sprees overseas.Originally posted by phil30k:There's a history of pension schemes and their not being sufficient due to erosions caused by increased standards of living and inflation and concerns of the impact that welfare places on the tax revenues of the government by draining funds from other projects.
I believe the introduction of CPF was seen as a management solution to shift the responsibility and burden of retirement financing to the citizens and to anticipate erosions with CPF interest rates. The government also benefited from the creation of a source for cheap borrowing.
I hope to see a short term solution by the government to top it up to more realistic values for old citizens. For the longer term, to address changes necessary to allow the CPF to fulfill it's intended purpose.
Otherwise we face the spectre of citizens who renounce citizenship just so they can plan their retirements. -
The only time to SCREW the PAP is during ERECTION but Sinagaporeans prefer to BLOW their chances at the ballot boxes.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I wonder when Singapore can get rid of this PAP regime and bring in change rather than the same old bullsh*it. -
I agree with you. However, I believe a grassroot movement by the older citizens may very well galvanize the youth of today. After all, if we want to know our future, all we have to do is open our eyes and look at them.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Most Singaporeans prefer stability over anything. If a change will bring about instabilities, I doubt if we will ever need a change in government. -
suOriginally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Change for the better, why not?
'Obama' Poh Ah Pak I support you 100% -
How long they have been here? As far as I know, majority of the foreigners I spoke to prefer to retain their original citizenship than getting local citizenship.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Sad but true. This is what you get when you let despots rule over you.
In my work, I know three PRC girls and two of them are PR's and one work permit holder. They just want to cash in and run back to China.
Looks like the despots here are worse than the despots in China!