I am the Minister of Education
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from wat u stated, ite can only be stepping stone so dat one can go further for his education. there's no way one will be contempt wif itc cert all his life.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:Don't say that. I have living proof that there are people making it good from ITE education. ITE was his stepping stone and he went on to get his degree. He is now a Manager in one of the Singapore GIC earning high pay . . . . -
Ok, maybe I should re-phase. In ITE he found his interest and know what he want to do. From there his interest develop furhter ... any way, if one don't go for ITE and stayed on for "O" level, in Singapore, how far can you go from here ? You still need to further yourself righ ? In today context, I think it is very difficult to comtempt with just a leaving cert . . . ..Originally posted by 798:from wat u stated, ite can only be stepping stone so dat one can go further for his education. there's no way one will be contempt wif itc cert all his life. -
.. I heard something like this somewhere some time ago:
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looks like my teacher
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Money isn't everything. If you can't produce a piece work that is reasonable by standards, then whether or not you have that piece of paper doesn't matter. But of course, some things are always more equal than the others. That I won't say so much.Originally posted by genie99:ITE is bad.... if it isn't you would have opted for it instead of Uni/poly. Why is that? Cause blue collar workers don't earn much in Singapore.
Dun kid yerself that it's not.
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Why ppl still tend to look down on ITE? You tell me why.Originally posted by genie99:ITE is bad.... if it isn't you would have opted for it instead of Uni/poly. Why is that? Cause blue collar workers don't earn much in Singapore.
Dun kid yerself that it's not.
Yes one needs prestigious schooling to do well.... cause white collar jobs take into account your "paper". It's the system SG adopts.
I'm not trying to shoot Poly or Uni students here but ask yourself these questions: Do you know how to repair those networking systems? Do you know how to maintain the chemical machine? Or do you even know how to repair cars/trains/buses?
What i meant is, no matter what, no college school here in Singapore, is perfect. Mark my words, don't believe? Go around and check it out the facilities in Uni, Poly and ite, and please, write it down (especially the facilities of each college) somewhere and see for yourself.
What you see now is not what you think. One fine day, you may find out actually all college (uni/poly/ite) in Singapore is the same. It's down to the human beings like you yourself to think that ITE is bad or whatsoever reasons.
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last time , my school also same , the principal said the whole class of us shld go ITE. And the batch before ours , there are ppl who get 6 pts for their n lvl but she dun allow him to go sec 5 because he got some cases. But from what i think , it isn't fair not to promote him to sec 5 just becos of some cases. Although he got case , but he have proven it that he can study , and the principal ain't giving him a chance at all. But now he end up in poly anyway. ok back to topic , from what i feel , if you are at sec 5 , you shldnt be thinking about ITE at all. You shld only be thinking about poly and JCs , because that is your choice whether to progress to sec 5 a not when your n lvl result is out , and the minister of education is telling sec 5 ppl to go to ite? why not he tell those N lvl ppl who get 7-10 pts to ITE? So he reall shouldn't say they shld go ite. because they are SECONDARY 5. and should be aiming to go poly or JCs instead of ITE. And why waste that sec 5 1 more year before u go ite? u can go ite after ur n lvl. and save 1 year right? think about it ppl. i am not saying ITE is not good. It's just ppl mentality that ITE is not good , but actually it's good.
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Dear mr Allen,Originally posted by allentyb_v2.01:If something ain't broken, don't fix it, that dick is trying too hard to change something that isn't broken, sec 5 should have the optional to choose whatever they want, instead of trying too hard to implement changes, he himself, have not suffer hardship before, and furthermore, ite environment is not as good as what polytechnic has to offer.
If that dick try too hard to change something, he will be a public enemy, his actions only tell me that, he is trying too hard to increase the student studying in ite, thats all, and mayi, since you are in polytechnic, don't comment so much when you have not even study in a classroom of ite before! You have no idea what is it like in there!
How about you exchange your diploma cert for a ite cert, since you said that it isn't as bad as what you think.
Nobody want to spend 2 years in ite, then move on to polytechinc, think of the time, you could have spend out there in the society earning MONEY, and furthermore, ite studies should be optional for sec 5 students instead of making an end route for sec 5 students! Time is money, think about spending 2 years in ite, then 3 years in polytechinc, then 2 years of NS, imagine how much time, will be spend when you can earn more money out there with the 2 years that you have spend in ite.
You however, never consider, time is a key factor in this!
ITE is a place where you get to hands-on, not keep on studying and studying and studying.. Actually do you know that some ITE students willing to sacrifice the time and study Poly and go through the NS?
It's time-wasting i know, but then, please consider that there's a sector is being called Normal (Technical)..
However, i feel you're quite look down on ITE students (correct me if i'm wrong).
But then, some of those Normal Acad students, their results not so impressive to make it to Poly or even Uni. Sometimes the principals is right. But you can't blame those who can't even make the grade to Poly and Uni.
I think your post somehow too generalise a little. Maybe i'm too sensitive to this.
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Some ppl go ite straight there after n level and some of them just trying the pure luck to get into Poly/JC/Uni by doing the O Level.Originally posted by Resentment:And why waste that sec 5 1 more year before u go ite? u can go ite after ur n lvl. and save 1 year right? think about it ppl. i am not saying ITE is not good. It's just ppl mentality that ITE is not good , but actually it's good.
it's just down to the ppl's mindset. Some say ite bad, some say ite good, what to do.
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I agree it's mindset.Originally posted by turbo_drift:Some ppl go ite straight there after n level and some of them just trying the pure luck to get into Poly/JC/Uni by doing the O Level.
it's just down to the ppl's mindset. Some say ite bad, some say ite good, what to do.
I think it's the difference between saying if students don't qualify for x then they will be sent to y.
with a change in policy this can become
Two alternative curriculums that have been specially designed to cater to different learning styles are available. Appointments can be set up for students and parents to meet specially trained counsellors when making their selection. -
actually even if u r a first class degree holder, there's no guarantee u will be getting a desired pay.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:Ok, maybe I should re-phase. In ITE he found his interest and know what he want to do. From there his interest develop furhter ... any way, if one don't go for ITE and stayed on for "O" level, in Singapore, how far can you go from here ? You still need to further yourself righ ? In today context, I think it is very difficult to comtempt with just a leaving cert . . . ..
i see alot of uni students talk until got dragon got tiger here just becos they getting good grade, wait til they start work. -
he only elected as MP from a walkover area wif LKY n he is appointed as Education Minister? where is his credibility?Originally posted by Dr Who:Name : RAdm(NS) Lui Tuck Yew (Member of Parliament)
Constituency : Tanjung Pagar GRC
Party Affiliation
eopleÂ’s Action Party
Place of Birth : Singapore
Date of Birth : 16.08.1961
Marital Status : Married
No of Children : 2
Religion : Christianity
blah blah blah blah
Present Occupation
30.05.2006 Minister of State, Ministry of Education
Member of Parliament
27.04.2006 Tanjong Pagar GRC
more blah blah blah blah sh1t
Interests
Travelling, Reading, Cricket, Baseball, Football
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But you cant deny ITE is a ladder below poly nor ease of entry getting into ITE. The average student in ITE is weaker in learning ability, earning power.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I agree with him.
ITE isn't a second class education institute. Whether or not Sec 5 students do well and move on to polytechnic is another matter.
Why don't a lot of people understand? What's so bad?
Nobody is implying that your results are bad. If it creates a dent in your confidence, it's because you believe that ITE is a second class institute. If you never hold the view, you won't be affected.
Just wake up. Going there isn't bad, not learning is. Learning is a lifelong process, where you go doesn't matter. Does one need to have prestigious schooling to do well?
Its hard for most Singaporeans to accept ITE to be on par with the rest unless their pay and job prospects are just as good.
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Well, it all depends on your aspirations in life.
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in corporate life, if you can't talk your way out, you're as good as nowhere.Originally posted by 798:actually even if u r a first class degree holder, there's no guarantee u will be getting a desired pay.
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what does ITE stands for? I remember MOE came up with a name to counter 'its the end'
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ya see quite alot of example , those degree holder , study so hard in the end also work at hawker , tending small shop and following thier father go deliver foodstuffOriginally posted by 798:actually even if u r a first class degree holder, there's no guarantee u will be getting a desired pay.
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For you mabe, but for guys we don't have enough time.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I don't buy the time factor. I'm in favour of getting the basics right, however long you take.
If you care about how old you are by the time you have a decent job, why not just join ITE apprenticeship scheme instead and from there upgrade your skills. -
Read before a graduate become a Char Kuey Tiao hawker. But that is his choice. At least he can have access to more jobs if he chooses to.Originally posted by Unidentified:ya see quite alot of example , those degree holder , study so hard in the end also work at hawker , tending small shop and following thier father go deliver foodstuff -
Agree. Guys need to make money to make up for time in NS and for marriage.Originally posted by Agenda:For you mabe, but for guys we don't have enough time. -
Marriage? That's not one of them compulsory things.Originally posted by wheelcamp:Agree. Guys need to make money to make up for time in NS and for marriage. -
ITE = Institute of Technical EducationOriginally posted by HyuugaNeji:what does ITE stands for? I remember MOE came up with a name to counter 'its the end'
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Firstly, I totally disagree with the principal and our education minister. It reminds me of some stupid scholar minister in our PM's ward who "fundamentally" agrees with his daughter's "brutal truth". This is strike 2!
Next, for those are still schooling, please don't make comments out of what you read or hear. Until you become a hiring manager, you may continue to kid yourself that academic qualification does not matter. It does and even for university graduate, it goes right down to the school you attended.
Some of you say, "don't worry, as long as you can talk your way through." The fact is, you can't even get pass the door because the moment someone sees your resume, he'll likely chuck it aside.
ITE is not the end. What it teaches, and for those who gets this, is that there is no free lunch and you learn to survive if you want to survive.
There has been much media to say ITE is not the end. Showing casing the many examples of people who made it but take a closer look. Those who made it are those who made it themselves - they got out and started their own company. Perhaps because they couldn't find decent employment or realize that even if they did, they wouldn't go far.
Has there been any example of ITE graduates (or even poly graduates) joining a MNC and climbing his way to management? Unfortunately, no.
Lesson learned from this episode? There is no accountability in our government In any other civilize country, the principle and the minister who have resign on their own accord.
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Originally posted by anonymouscoward:
Definitely agree with your first point.
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Next, for those are still schooling, please don't make comments out of what you read or hear. Until you become a hiring manager, you may continue to kid yourself that academic qualification does not matter. It does and even for university graduate, it goes right down to the school you attended.
Some of you say, "don't worry, as long as you can talk your way through." The fact is, you can't even get pass the door because the moment someone sees your resume, he'll likely chuck it aside.
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Second point, I was talking about the gift of the gab. Having an impressive resume gets you in, without the ability to be both educated and slick-rick, it's of no use.
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I agree with you..... your comment should BE the case but unfortunately isn't.Originally posted by Unidentified:Actually you shouldn't look that way , if everyone aspire to be lawer or doctor , then who will be the one in the hawker
High pay job must have rare good people , if the whole street are lawyer and doctor , then their salary i suppose to be lower than blue collar.
Got to admit also la , if the white collar you refering is gov job , then is really high pay , i dont see blue collar salary got any raise at all for the past few year
Most peoples mindset are that blue collar jobs don't earn enough for a good lifestyle(not extravaganti mean good). I believe if their earning power was raised more of our youth would hesitate with their mad scramble to be a professional and actually give thought to what they LIKE and enjoy doing. Why isn't this happening? ...... beats me..... and i put that responsibility on the govt.... or meybe i should not? Shed some light here pls someone id like to hear opinions on this