Was Lee Kuan Yew right to berate reporter?
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I just have to say I absolutely love this.Originally posted by phil30k:Free presses will still be censored by the editor.
Free presses will still have political affliations and report news biased towards that.
Free presses will still have business affliliations and report news biased towards that.
Free presses will still be limited by access to newsworthy items.
Free presses will still be limited by the amount of reseach materials or librarys they can access.
There really is no such thing as a free press in the real world.
The truely free presses exist only here on the internet in these forums and blogs and it's only here that you will see such a uncontrolled proliferation and range of views.
Here on the internet you can do what you can't do with a newspaper. You can copy and paste a range of articles on the same subject. You can discuss with the Original Poster. You can publish your own responses. You can find links to other relevant background information. Or publish links that you think will give readers a deeper understanding.
Citzens have access to the internet. Fewer Citizens will place a value on a free press as more become computer savy. -
Freedom of speech is overated. What the majority of Singaporeans want is stablity, security and prosperity. The Philippines have a free press, the taiwanese have a free press and see what has happened to their economies? China's media is far more controlled than that in Singapore and they have continued to register double-digit growth. Once again.....it's the economy, stupid!
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this comment is so one dimensional and dim-wittedOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:Freedom of speech is overated. What the majority of Singaporeans want is stablity, security and prosperity. The Philippines have a free press, the taiwanese have a free press and see what has happened to their economies? China's media is far more controlled than that in Singapore and they have continued to register double-digit growth. Once again.....it's the economy, stupid!
free press = unrest
free press is a fallacy. there is no such thing, even in the stated countries by OM. in the same measure, there are many countries with a lot more `press fredom' and not doing badly too. think south pacific, part of western europe. it is the degree of freedom that is ought to be discussed. in sinkapore, i think what the intellectually abled person is looking for is a relative easing of the iron-clad media control now so diverging views can be aired without fear. and this nonsense about diverging views are disruptive, dangerous and counter-productive economically (OM wld have approved) are baloneys tt are fed into the minds of sinkaporeans. OM is one of the converted.
and this comment about "it's all about the economy, stupid" is out of synch and touch with reality. even the MIW is now is widening its outlook in a more balance approach to living. economy is important, but there are many facets of livng that ppl crave for. sinkaporean r not robots.
OM makes Sinkapore sound eerily like North Korea....but maybe it is for now, just tt it is doing a better job at tt. -
Free press has gone the way of the dinosaur. Murdoch and News Corp are responsible for your International news and the PAP are responsible for the local news. So who can you trust?
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tt's another interesting perspective.Originally posted by Demonight:Free press has gone the way of the dinosaur. Murdoch and News Corp are responsible for your International news and the PAP are responsible for the local news. So who can you trust? -
Freedom of speech is overated. What the majority of Singaporeans want is stablity, security and prosperity. The Philippines have a free press, the taiwanese have a free press and see what has happened to their economies? China's media is far more controlled than that in Singapore and they have continued to register double-digit growth. Once again.....it's the economy, stupid!
According to this "logic", DPRK's economy should be no.1 in the world, since DPRK's press is pure state propaganda.
This is what happens to people's minds when they are brainwashed by state propaganda. Their ability to reason drops.
Sad to see you brainwashed.
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If you are talking about truly free press the only agencies that come to mind would be Agence France-Presse, RWB and Reuters.
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If you are talking about truly free press the only agencies that come to mind would be Agence France-Presse, RWB and Reuters.
Sad to say, that is also a myth.
All press agencies are biased. That is why there must be variety. -
That's true as well...But I said what I said about those agencies because they have fact checking departments, unlike our local press and those owned by Murdoch and Co. (who are downsizing the fact checking departments of their various media/news outlets)Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Sad to say, that is also a myth.
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Originally posted by hero/heroine:
Effective? Seriously i disagree dude...... well most of them undergrads and them journalists in the clip seem to disagree too .... alot of dissent in the public cause of it
whatever level of press freedom Singapore's media is enjoying now seems to have been effective, whatever is to come will come as we gear together for it as a nation, not groups with segmented opinions. So cut the MM some slack, he has his own beliefs and ideas for the good of Singapore, just as we trust in other measures. I can already see people flaming this statement-- before you do, look at the life you live and then begin whining.
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http://singabloodypore.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2006/4/18/1893566.html
NKF hoo-ha was probably how they got rated #4? I believe they were prepared to tell us their salary (but how many disagree with the amt?) ..... but there are stuff they are not willing to..... NFK? Transparency International's Least Corrupt Public Sector? how about publicly corrupt?
Also, your choice of the word "Transparency";. Please forgive me, Singapore is rated #4 worldwide on Transparency International's Least Corrupt Public Sectors. What do you think sparked off the $3million minister fee hoo-ha? Oh no, it can't be transparency
Not picking on you.... but we have different beliefs..... ice cream?
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Originally posted by Fatum:
Yes that is a problem ...nvr thought of that
we are different, we are small, tiny infact, a single inflammatory act will have widespread repercussions ... let's see it in another way, some dumb farks chinese beng goes around spouting anti muslim stuff .... or some militant evangalist declares a second crusade ... and the press, foreign or otherwise, picks up on it, while I think the majority of our muslim compatriots are smart enough to filter out rubbish, [b]I cannot imagine the same for our neighbours ... it's as simple as that.
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Looks like I have attracted more dim witted remarks from an imbecilic ranter.Originally posted by weiqimun:this comment is so one dimensional and dim-witted
free press = unrest
free press is a fallacy. there is no such thing, even in the stated countries by OM. in the same measure, there are many countries with a lot more `press fredom' and not doing badly too. think south pacific, part of western europe. it is the degree of freedom that is ought to be discussed. in sinkapore, i think what the intellectually abled person is looking for is a relative easing of the iron-clad media control now so diverging views can be aired without fear. and this nonsense about diverging views are disruptive, dangerous and counter-productive economically (OM wld have approved) are baloneys tt are fed into the minds of sinkaporeans. OM is one of the converted.
and this comment about "it's all about the economy, stupid" is out of synch and touch with reality. even the MIW is now is widening its outlook in a more balance approach to living. economy is important, but there are many facets of livng that ppl crave for. sinkaporean r not robots.
OM makes Sinkapore sound eerily like North Korea....but maybe it is for now, just tt it is doing a better job at tt.
There is no freedom without responsibility. What is it that you cannot say in Singapore that you can in the UK? Sure, you can criticize the government and as long as you are factual, what can the government do to you? Before you start talking about defamation laws like the moronic mob out that, the UK has the same laws. It is fair that one's reputation should be protected by the law from baseless allegations.
It is true that the government does not want our press to become the mouthpiece of the Opposition parties. They can and already have their own newspapers which they can sell and do sell to whoever is willing to buy them. They aren't expensive either, but few are interested. Why? Because the majority is not interested with the usual rants about government deficiencies. They want to see continued progress and prosperity that this government has given us these 40 odd years. The ruling party appears to be a party of action, and not just talk. -
Those old enough will remember that was how the Maria Hertog riots started...Originally posted by Daddy!!:imagine the day with a free press which reports facts responsibly. The reporter came across a small racial misunderstanding between two races in Singapore and reported it. People read it, get emotional about it and things start to escalate from nothing to something more disastrous like street riots. This is something which we dont want. -
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald (1896 - 1940), "The Crack-Up" (1936)
Seems like some have only a 1 sided view of issues. -
so you saying the whole world should remove their freedom of speech?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Freedom of speech is overated. What the majority of Singaporeans want is stablity, security and prosperity. The Philippines have a free press, the taiwanese have a free press and see what has happened to their economies? China's media is far more controlled than that in Singapore and they have continued to register double-digit growth. Once again.....it's the economy, stupid!
do you dare to give a speech to representatives from the whole world?
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I hope to see election ads by both ruling and opposition parties on singapore TV one day.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2iZlquvD4&feature=related
A typical Aussie election ad...... some of them are farnee too lol -
Here's anotherOriginally posted by genie99:I hope to see election ads by both ruling and opposition parties on singapore TV one day.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2iZlquvD4&feature=related
A typical Aussie election ad...... some of them are farnee too lol
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It would seem that intellectually and mentally, ALL the citizens are still stuck in a time warp.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Those old enough will remember that was how the Maria Hertog riots started...
For the past 50-60 years, we have not progressed as a nation, we are still stuck in the 1950s to 1960s mentality.
Policemen used to wear shorts during those days. We were still under British colonial rule then.
Perhaps it's time for people of that era to disappear and let the new generation take over.
Sad to say for the past 50-60 years, we are only hentak kaki (marching on the spot), no progress has happened to the mentality of Singaporeans.
You have to asked yourself then. Why are we perpetually stuck in a 1950s to 1960s era? Perhaps the influence of some old goats, which should have been made into kambing soup long ago. -
and anotherOriginally posted by genie99:Here's another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gP4nN8jKxU&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMII_3_4Fr4&feature=user
dun throw pies at me please -
http://singabloodypore.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2006/4/18/1893566.htmlOriginally posted by genie99:and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMII_3_4Fr4&feature=user
dun throw pies at me please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2iZlquvD4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gP4nN8jKxU&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMII_3_4Fr4&feature=user
These days the cost of pie has gone up so much, I doubt anybody would throw pie at you, they can't afford it, they rather eat the pie.
The only people that has enough money to buy a pie to throw at you would be people working for the regime.
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Okok throw your pies.... last 1 i promise k?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLOccpAd8E&feature=user this 1 quite farnee -
Hey.Originally posted by genie99:Okok throw your pies.... last 1 i promise k?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLOccpAd8E&feature=user this 1 quite farnee
It would be easier for users if you highlight the link, then click URL on the top right corner.
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In a few decades, the landscape will change drastically. Only ignorant fools will think otherwise.
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Things and mentality change over time, even mountains through the weathering and mass wasting becomes slit transported to oceans.Originally posted by LazerLordz:In a few decades, the landscape will change drastically. Only ignorant fools will think otherwise.
China used to have conservative values to sex, these days the children there are more open due to western influences.
Strange that Singaporean's mentality hasn't changed much since the 1950's and 1960's.
I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Old dogs should be serve on the tables in China, they make good delicacies. -
Kk sorry about that i'm not really tech savvy dude.... peaceOriginally posted by maurizio13:Hey.
It would be easier for users if you highlight the link, then click URL on the top right corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLOccpAd8E&feature=user
I'll learn it one day ....