Are you willing to sacrifice your freedom and rights ?
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Are you willing to sacrifice your freedom and rights for stability and prosperity ?
Assuming you have a totalitarian government that takes away much of your personal rights but in return provides stability and prosperity for the country. Will you fight for the return of your rights or just take it as another form of personal sacrifice to get what you want.
Great One
True Justice Comes from the Fist of Righteousness -
I'm gonna assume stability and prosperity refers to Singapore?..... stable yes but is it prosperous now? I dunno meybe still but its "prosperity" is unstable in my opinion and i am hearing too mcuh stuff about weakening buying power amongst the masses.Originally posted by Great_One:Are you willing to sacrifice your freedom and rights for stability and prosperity ?
True Justice Comes from the Fist of Righteousness
True Justice comes from knowledge of the truth and of course the Fist of Righteousness -
Must it really be one or the other?
Shouldn't we be asking
"How Freedom and Rights of the individual can contribute to the stability and prosperity of Singapore." -
Good Answer..... Why can't both.Originally posted by phil30k:Must it really be one or the other?
Shouldn't we be asking
"How Freedom and Rights of the individual can contribute to the stability and prosperity of Singapore."
But since TS didn't give us a choice..... I pick stability and prosperity
Once got money..... you could always leave for a better place. Which is what most here are doing anyway...... -
Originally posted by hloc:
... this, I have to agree with you...
Good Answer..... Why can't both.
But since TS didn't give us a choice..... I pick [b]stability and prosperity
Once got money..... you could always leave for a better place. Which is what most here are doing anyway......[/b] -
I only meant it as a general question. Assuming you can't go anywhere, would you rather have freedom or stability ? Stability means you don't have to worry about riots and stuff. No civil unrest.
Or do you prefer freedom but no stability ?
Great One
Believe in the Greater Good -
Ah I see what you mean. Again, it's late so I may not make much sense.
Because I don't want my answer to be taken out of context I have to go through a lengthy explanation. You may skip it all and go to the last line if you wish.
The old democracies that were successful (eg greece) had slave labor. The American style of democracy is the first of it's kind without slave labor.
How is this relevant?
The development of the higher cognitive abilities require time and some form of detachment from the material concerns. A slave workforce provides an abundance such that the master can become free from the material concerns. They then become the philosophers, poets, dreamers etc. A kind of master race.
If the society prospers, there comes a time when the master race will for various reasons desire to create beings in his own image. He then mentors some slaves. These slaves are given the same opportunities as the masters and in time they also develop higher cognitive functions. At this time they either join their masters who welcome them or replace their masters who have rejected them.
This pattern or some variation thereof you see repeated over and over again in history in the successful civilizations. Can a different model succeed? I don't know.
The American model is unique in that it tries to achieve a society without masters but even then you'll still find it sliding back to the historical norm for various reasons.
As with most master races you'll have some that are benign and some that are malicious.
A society with benign masters will result in result in stability and prosperity, provided there are no other societies with masters warring with them.
As a slave you have no freedom or rights.
However just being able to ask that question implies you are in a unique position. We are the slaves that ascended without master mentors.
Our education and access to information and having time to think has allowed us to ascend cross the divide between master and slave. It has opened our eyes up sufficiently to recognize the divide and see our brethren behind us and the masters before us. We are filled with pity and with ambition that translates to contempt and jealousy.
A race of masters who truely wish to keep you enslaved will not permit education, they will not permit free time, they will not permit questions and prefer you fill you minds with mysticism and material concerns.
That has not been the case in Singapore. We pride ourselves on education, we push our citizens to learn more. We may argue that our information is censored but it is still there. We have annual leave, one day or two days off a week. No one forces you to work if you can afford not to. There is no state religion that forces you to accept mysticism. You will notice that while opposition is discouraged, there are strong indications you will be welcomed into the ruling party with better salaries which translates to being able to take extended leave without pay. (edited: I think my view on this is probably skewed because I forgot to mention we are a shopper's paradise.)
I take all this as signs that we either have benign masters or masters who followed the American model without realizing the consequences.
My current condition dictates I accept servitude. Preference has little to do with it. -
I assume this topic excludes solely sg.Originally posted by Great_One:Are you willing to sacrifice your freedom and rights for stability and prosperity ?
Assuming you have a totalitarian government that takes away much of your personal rights but in return provides stability and prosperity for the country. Will you fight for the return of your rights or just take it as another form of personal sacrifice to get what you want.
Great One
True Justice Comes from the Fist of Righteousness
if so and really so only,
I would say this.
I think many are willing to sacrifice , for money. many many money.
i have proof. plenty.
everything I say excludes specifically sg.
can or not? -
Do you prefer to hire filipino maids or send your daughter to work as a maid in the Philippines?Originally posted by Great_One:Are you willing to sacrifice your freedom and rights for stability and prosperity ?
Assuming you have a totalitarian government that takes away much of your personal rights but in return provides stability and prosperity for the country. Will you fight for the return of your rights or just take it as another form of personal sacrifice to get what you want.
Great One
True Justice Comes from the Fist of Righteousness -
I guess the price of Freedom isn't really cheap. Hahaha.
It is not an easy question to answer. Weighing both the pros and cons one would definitely be hard pressed to decide. -
Do you prefer to hire filipino maids or send your daughter to work as a maid in the Philippines?
What's with this poppyco*ck? -
Sometimes I just wonder... How limited are our freedom and rights? Is local press freedom really and absolutely necessary for happiness?
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Is local press freedom really and absolutely necessary for happiness?
No. Happiness has nothing to do with press.
In fact, a controlled propaganda media is better at spreading propaganda designed to spread good news.
Press freedom is about getting variety of information and opinion. -
stability n prosperity comes with minimum freedom and rights...
freedom and rights come with minimum stability n properity...
Both factors are interlinked 1... -
Both factors are interlinked 1...
There must be a balance.
Yin and Yang must balance.
Freedom to starve to death is stupid.
Wealthy but brainwashed and as a slave of others is life not worth living. -
This is the common question pappy use to threaten the people. Look, you want freedom and corruption or you want prosperity.
That a whole load of BS. What makes them think other people cannot manage the country as well and still give freedom to people? That is the same hollier than thou attitude.