Concerning Emigration
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Not calling them names - they are really second class or below type of FTs. It's a fact. If they are americans , australians or english , they are truly at the bottom of their game unless they are sitting on top of the MNC branch in Singapore. Even then most have to move to Singapore because their home country has more capable fellas running the show. There is a few just wanting an experience of asia and then pack up and go home after 2 years with no problems and a job offer back in their home country.Originally posted by kramnave:I don't disagree with you and neither am I adverse to relocating permanently to another country. I'm just trying to highlight that before we call foreigners in Singapore names or complain about them, we would do well to understand and be prepared for such reactions when we become foreigners ourselves. I believe Pauline Hanson's call for a white Australia was not motivated by race issues but primarily one of competition. People started to eat Asian food rather than fish and chips if you get what i mean.
As such, dreaming of moving abroad for a better life while calling foreigners in Singapore names just doesn't seem right to me.
If they are just workers with a fancy title and no power over executive decisions , they are second rate. And that is the position of most of your FTs .
If they are capable in the first place - they will be rotating between USA and Europe. USA is where the brain drain drains to. 2nd is Canada / Europe and third is Australia because it has a few core research industries .
I hear of them getting nobel prize winners or olympics medalists over but I never hear of Singapore getting anything. Look at the China born athletes imported by Singapore- NONE HAVE WON HER A MEDAL YET. -
Best way for Singapore now : get a cheaper FT to run the country than the overpaid ministers. Maybe the cheaper FTs will do a better job for less - much much less.
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soon, this will be my new national anthem
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Most can't remember past the first stanza .Originally posted by fishbuff:soon, this will be my new national anthem
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Most can't remember past the first stanza .Originally posted by fishbuff:soon, this will be my new national anthem
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You are getting further from what I'm talking about.Originally posted by fymk:Not calling them names - they are really second class or below type of FTs. It's a fact. If they are americans , australians or english , they are truly at the bottom of their game unless they are sitting on top of the MNC branch in Singapore. Even then most have to move to Singapore because their home country has more capable fellas running the show. There is a few just wanting an experience of asia and then pack up and go home after 2 years with no problems and a job offer back in their home country.
If they are just workers with a fancy title and no power over executive decisions , they are second rate. And that is the position of most of your FTs .
If they are capable in the first place - they will be rotating between USA and Europe. USA is where the brain drain drains to. 2nd is Canada / Europe and third is Australia because it has a few core research industries .
I hear of them getting nobel prize winners or olympics medalists over but I never hear of Singapore getting anything. Look at the China born athletes imported by Singapore- NONE HAVE WON HER A MEDAL YET. -
Not really. I am clarifying what you think I am saying.Originally posted by kramnave:You are getting further from what I'm talking about.
In regards to Pauline Hanson , it wasn't of competition that she was whining about . You hear more languages here than in Singapore. Some people can't even speak english. She conveniently forgot about the european migrants such as the greeks and italians who like to speak their languages.
I would say that she thinks that migrants come and suck their welfare money , the convenient ones to blame are the ones who stick out like a sore thumb rather than the ones who cannot speak the language but can hide under the cover because they look like part of the majority.
In another words , she made a poor judgement , had poor choice of words and was in part racist. However you can't call her a liar from what I observed in both med/east european , middle eastern and certain asian migrants. -
Erm, then maybe we are talking about different things....Originally posted by fymk:Not really. I am clarifying what you think I am saying.
In regards to Pauline Hanson , it wasn't of competition that she was whining about . You hear more languages here than in Singapore. Some people can't even speak english. She conveniently forgot about the european migrants such as the greeks and italians who like to speak their languages.
I would say that she thinks that migrants come and suck their welfare money , the convenient ones to blame are the ones who stick out like a sore thumb rather than the ones who cannot speak the language but can hide under the cover because they look like part of the majority. In another words , she made a poor judgement , had poor choice of words and was in part racist.
Anyway, back then Pauline Hanson was pissed with the influx of Asians and her fish n chips business wasn't doing to well...
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Yes we are. You choose to discuss Pauline Hanson - so I expressing my opinion of her.Originally posted by kramnave:Erm, then maybe we are talking about different things....
You think that me calling FTs in Singapore second rate is unjustified. I am justifying it with a good cause because the FT policy was created at the expense of Singaporeans and it is a fact that most of the so called foreign talents aren't not so talented.
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She actually sold her shop to an asian, if I am not wrong.Originally posted by kramnave:Back then Pauline Hanson was pissed with the influx of Asians and her fish n chips business wasn't doing to well... -
Ok wait.Originally posted by fymk:Yes we are. You choose to discuss Pauline Hanson - so I expressing my opinion of her.
You think that me calling FTs in Singapore second rate is unjustified. I am justifying it with a good cause because the FT policy was created at the expense of Singaporeans.
Why do you think so many Singaporeans in this forums who keep talking about migrating also seem to focus on the FT part?
Let me clarify things alright.
1) There has been some unhappiness over FTs in Singapore from numerous threads here.
2) People call the FT here names and dream about life abroad. What I'm trying to say is that competition is everywhere. Indians and PRC here, Indians in PRC everywhere alright. If one goes abroad one might be called names as well. What goes around comes around.
3) I raised the Pauline Hanson issue to show that most unhappiness are caused by competition. We can say that PRC cannot speak English, bad manners blah blah blah but ultimately the cause of unhappiness is competition.
That is all i'm saying and never did i "You think that me calling FTs in Singapore second rate is unjustified". -
Originally posted by kramnave:Ok wait.
Let me clarify things alright.
1) There has been some unhappiness over FTs in Singapore from numerous threads here.
In my opinion, it's justified even for the ang moh ones.
2) People call the FT here names and dream about life abroad. What I'm trying to say is that competition is everywhere. Indians and PRC here, Indians in PRC everywhere alright. If one goes abroad one might be called names as well. What goes around comes around.
I didn't call them names. I was merely stating the facts.
Sometimes it is hard to differentiate nationalism from racism.
3) I raised the Pauline Hanson issue to show that most unhappiness are caused by competition. We can say that PRC cannot speak English, bad manners blah blah blah but ultimately the cause of unhappiness is competition.
Read her maiden speech before you say further. She made her ignorant speech which echoes some facts but exaggerated others and she is in part racist.
Australia has a history of work protectionism. Their priority for work always have been in this order - citizens, PRs and then if the company can fully justify that they have a skill shortage which cannot be done by a citizen or a PR - then they can employ foreigners.
Quod et demonstratum : This is different from the context that Singaporeans are facing from FTs. In Singapore, companies need not justify to the immigration department why they need to employ foreigners - they just employ them anyways.
That is all i'm saying and never did i "You think that me calling FTs in Singapore second rate is unjustified".
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Go back read my posts and find that nothing was directed at what you said. Originally, i was responding to other posts and there you came along and said some stuff which i thought was based on a misunderstanding on what you thought i posted. I just reiterated what i said and it wasn't directed at what you said. It is amusing.Originally posted by fymk: -
It is indeed amusing from what you said about Pauline Hanson. Sometimes it might be better if two utterly different situations don't get compared together.Originally posted by kramnave:Go back read my posts and find that nothing was directed at what you said. Originally, i was responding to other posts and there you came along and said some stuff which i thought was based on a misunderstanding on what you thought i posted. I just reiterated what i said and it wasn't directed at what you said. It is amusing. -
I don't know. As i said, i believe competition is the reason behind her actions. Maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't matter.Originally posted by fymk:It is indeed amusing from what you said about Pauline Hanson. Sometimes it might be better if two utterly different situations don't get compared together. -
You are wrong hence my reply to you. When one compares - it is best to compare an apple to an apple rather than an apple to a durian.Originally posted by kramnave:I don't know. As i said, i believe competition is the reason behind her actions. Maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't matter. -
Ok, I'm wrong about Pauline Hanson if you take her literally alright ? It is just my belief.Originally posted by fymk:You are wrong hence my reply to you. When one compares - it is best to compare an apple to an apple rather than an apple to a durian. -
Originally posted by kramnave:
Heh. Ok keep telling yourself that.
Ok, I'm wrong about Pauline Hanson if you take her literally alright ? It is just my [b]belief. [/b]
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Anyway you get my point ? The main one at least and that i wasn't really responding to you ? Do you understand what i said before you came in and misinterpreted me ?Originally posted by fymk:Heh. Ok keep telling yourself that. -
I could say more but I shan't . I didn't misinterpreted you . Your statement is quite open to speculation.Originally posted by kramnave:Anyway you get my point ? The main one at least and that i wasn't really responding to you ? Do you understand what i said before you came in and misinterpreted me ?