Is Singapore can survive without FT/FW???
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Hi guys,
Do you think honestly that Singapore can survive without FT/Fw working here???
Do you think Singaporeans can handle all the job like maids, costructions workers, and some FT???
For me.... Idon't think so..
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Businesses would like to enjoy the benefit of Singapore's infrastructure and foreign labor costs, it's the best of both worlds to them.
Their profit margins will take a hit and there will be repercussions but I don't think that would spell the end of Singapore.
Why do you think Singapore cannot survive without Foreign Talent? -
Singapore can survive without FT/FW...
but Singaporeans cant
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Considering the size of Singapore compare to other countries in terms of size and resources, Singapore is to small and it needs some top talent from both local and foreign in order to be competitive.Originally posted by phil30k:Businesses would like to enjoy the benefit of Singapore's infrastructure and foreign labor costs, it's the best of both worlds to them.
Their profit margins will take a hit and there will be repercussions but I don't think that would spell the end of Singapore.
Why do you think Singapore cannot survive without Foreign Talent?
Singapore also enjoy the 6% tax paid by foreign workers and as I understand locals are not marginalise in terms job placement here in Singapore, locals are the first chioce..
Only, I don't understand why there's a lot of complains why Singapore well come FT/FW as a matter of fact this ppl are also helping Singapore economy to grow.. -
Singaporean must be happy because somebody will do the hard work and dirty jobs and singaporeans will just go party and injoyOriginally posted by ispyyy:Singapore can survive without FT/FW...
but Singaporeans cant 
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The reason ould be competition n HK is also easing its reseidency requirement to attract foreign professional bu the main reason for foreign professional toOriginally posted by neilbloz:Considering the size of Singapore compare to other countries in terms of size and resources, Singapore is to small and it needs some top talent from both local and foreign in order to be competitive.
Singapore also enjoy the 6% tax paid by foreign workers and as I understand locals are not marginalise in terms job placement here in Singapore, locals are the first chioce..
Only, I don't understand why there's a lot of complains why Singapore well come FT/FW as a matter of fact this ppl are also helping Singapore economy to grow..
come to this HK to work is the high cost of living. -
agreed on first point but the drive has been excessive...Originally posted by neilbloz:Considering the size of Singapore compare to other countries in terms of size and resources, Singapore is to small and it needs some top talent from both local and foreign in order to be competitive.
Singapore also enjoy the 6% tax paid by foreign workers and as I understand locals are not marginalise in terms job placement here in Singapore, locals are the first chioce..
Only, I don't understand why there's a lot of complains why Singapore well come FT/FW as a matter of fact this ppl are also helping Singapore economy to grow..
second point you are mistaken, locals are losing at the higher end and lower end spectrum of the job market.....the former is about talent while the latter is about the dirt cheap labour.....
economy may be growing but it's driving prices a lot steeper which is straining the average household........ -
The question was would it be the end of Singapore.Originally posted by neilbloz:Considering the size of Singapore compare to other countries in terms of size and resources, Singapore is to small and it needs some top talent from both local and foreign in order to be competitive.
Singapore also enjoy the 6% tax paid by foreign workers and as I understand locals are not marginalise in terms job placement here in Singapore, locals are the first chioce..
Only, I don't understand why there's a lot of complains why Singapore well come FT/FW as a matter of fact this ppl are also helping Singapore economy to grow..
I never said that it would.
I agree that Singapore needs top talent. I agree that Singapore's economy will grow with FT. If you are rich enough that your CPF is of little importance to you or if you don't understand the impacts then I suppose it wouldn't matter. -
There are many many jobs which Singaporeans don't want to do. We're spoilt lah.
My friend working in the maritime sector told me they held career fair to attract port workers recently. No Singaporean was interested. -
There are also jobs that Singaporeans can do, want to do but fail interview.
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is it because;Originally posted by onlooker123:There are many many jobs which Singaporeans don't want to do. We're spoilt lah.
My friend working in the maritime sector told me they held career fair to attract port workers recently. No Singaporean was interested.
- of the low wages?
- of the working condition?
- long hours?
- society perception of blue collar work?
in sg, everyone want to be managers.
here in oz, blue collar job command better salary than office workers. with a strong union, their working condition are guaranteed from management harrassment. and the society is apathetic to one's jobs, whether u are a cleaner or a director, people will give u the respect in accordance to your character.
i know of some electricians and plumbers that own more than 5 houses. far better than any white collar workers. -
yes u can. just whether the society want it or not.Originally posted by neilbloz:Hi guys,
Do you think honestly that Singapore can survive without FT/Fw working here???
Do you think Singaporeans can handle all the job like maids, costructions workers, and some FT???
For me.... Idon't think so..
perhaps, all are accustomed to cheap food and labour.
for household, there is a thing called washing machine and dish washer.
for construction, prefab is the way to go.
but everyone want big profit margin, easy exploitable labour. so it is from top down, if the top brass of the social hierachy can exploit downward, it wont stop there and it will permeate to the lowest level. u can see foreign workers living in deplorable conditions. companies that deal in supplying foreign are of doughy character, and they couldnt care less about the well being of others.
i have seen; foreign worker doing wielding at amk WITHOUT eye protection glasses!! i walked up to him and demand to see his supervisor. how can he jeopardise his eyesight over this??!
another case was another foreign workers trying to install a traffic light. the apparatus slipped and sliced part of his finger's flesh. i was shocked and rush a rag cloth to him, he was in agony and i believe his colleagues could have rush him to a nearby clinic.
in NCS, we worked long hours and occassionally, i saw NCS and SCS programmers in the data center at 3am!! wth, the have been working in this manner for weeks! where is the sanctity of human working environment, where is the consideration for the workers well being? nothing! all here is about exploiting the people for a quick buck.
if u reflect closely and look around, NS, reservist, GRC, ERP, CPF, foreign workers, foreign "talent"... -
Normally, if there is a job available even the salary is good or working condition are perfect, but if the local Singaporean have lack of experience to do the job, it's just normal for the employer to find another way to survive in their business.Originally posted by onlooker123:There are many many jobs which Singaporeans don't want to do. We're spoilt lah.
My friend working in the maritime sector told me they held career fair to attract port workers recently. No Singaporean was interested.
That's why FT are needed but first thing first, the employer must look for any locals who can perform the job without any problems. -
It really depends on how much you are willing to pay for those jobs. If you are willing to pay cleaners and maids like S$2000 per month, I am sure many low skilled Singaporeans take up the job.Originally posted by neilbloz:Hi guys,
Do you think honestly that Singapore can survive without FT/Fw working here???
Do you think Singaporeans can handle all the job like maids, costructions workers, and some FT???
For me.... Idon't think so..
BUT, then again, Singaporeans will ofcourse start to complain that cost of living is too high to even survive on S$2000 per month.
IMO this is a LPPL question. -
Melbourne reporting Houston..... same conditions here as yourself....cheerioOriginally posted by fishbuff:is it because;
- of the low wages?
- of the working condition?
- long hours?
- society perception of blue collar work?
in sg, everyone want to be managers.
here in oz, blue collar job command better salary than office workers. with a strong union, their working condition are guaranteed from management harrassment. and the society is apathetic to one's jobs, whether u are a cleaner or a director, people will give u the respect in accordance to your character.
i know of some electricians and plumbers that own more than 5 houses. far better than any white collar workers. -
You have a sense of righteousnessOriginally posted by fishbuff:yes u can. just whether the society want it or not.
perhaps, all are accustomed to cheap food and labour.
for household, there is a thing called washing machine and dish washer.
for construction, prefab is the way to go.
but everyone want big profit margin, easy exploitable labour. so it is from top down, if the top brass of the social hierachy can exploit downward, it wont stop there and it will permeate to the lowest level. u can see foreign workers living in deplorable conditions. companies that deal in supplying foreign are of doughy character, and they couldnt care less about the well being of others.
i have seen; foreign worker doing wielding at amk WITHOUT eye protection glasses!! i walked up to him and demand to see his supervisor. how can he jeopardise his eyesight over this??!
another case was another foreign workers trying to install a traffic light. the apparatus slipped and sliced part of his finger's flesh. i was shocked and rush a rag cloth to him, he was in agony and i believe his colleagues could have rush him to a nearby clinic.
in NCS, we worked long hours and occassionally, i saw NCS and SCS programmers in the data center at 3am!! wth, the have been working in this manner for weeks! where is the sanctity of human working environment, where is the consideration for the workers well being? nothing! all here is about exploiting the people for a quick buck.
if u reflect closely and look around, NS, reservist, GRC, ERP, CPF, foreign workers, foreign "talent"... -
Hi Love Supreme,Originally posted by Love Supreme:It really depends on how much you are willing to pay for those jobs. If you are willing to pay cleaners and maids like S$2000 per month, I am sure many low skilled Singaporeans take up the job.
BUT, then again, Singaporeans will ofcourse start to complain that cost of living is too high to even survive on S$2000 per month.
IMO this is a LPPL question.
Maybe you're right, if the salary like maids will be $2000/m there will be some low skilled locals will take the job but the question is are this locals will last on their job responsibility, maybe 2-3 months their gone... you just see your children in the street running around because your local maid don't like your wife nagging most everyday.... soda lari...you don't have control on them because they are local you don't hold their passport.... so how..
pls.. clarify what is "IMO/LPPL i'm not good short cut.. thnks. -
why such looooooow opinion about singaporeans? are u one? arent your parents too? didnt they slog hard and long hours in their workplace so that u can have laptop to play counterstrike? i respect ALL hardworking parents that try to earn a tiny salary to feed the family and subject constantly to the worries of losing their jobs vs their responsibility to raise their brats and meeting the finances. i feel like slapping those kids that yell at their poor and stressed out parents over issues like unable to get the next best expensive toys.Originally posted by neilbloz:Hi Love Supreme,
Maybe you're right, if the salary like maids will be $2000/m there will be some low skilled locals will take the job but the question is are this locals will last on their job responsibility, maybe 2-3 months their gone... you just see your children in the street running around because your local maid don't like your wife nagging most everyday.... soda lari...you don't have control on them because they are local you don't hold their passport.... so how..
pls.. clarify what is "IMO/LPPL i'm not good short cut.. thnks.
so if the maids are tahan their employers, does that means that the latter can take advantages of them? can u really pay someone $300/mth to work for u 12hrs a day, 7 days a week with no day off? arent we all exploiting other FW at their expenses? DO we have a CONSCIENCE AT ALL???? -
how is the come thatOriginally posted by neilbloz:Hi guys,
Do you think honestly that Singapore can survive without FT/Fw working here???
Do you think Singaporeans can handle all the job like maids, costructions workers, and some FT???
For me.... Idon't think so..
Nihon aber to reach world power and 1st world
without FT and others no the can de?
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which schoolars can convince the me?
how strong is the schoolarstic or just paper only?