Two men detained for planning acts of terror
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Should the terrorists be released ? Or should they be life sentensed or death sentense for the safety of Singaporean?
Is very troubling of the tread of Self-redicalised Terrorist in Singapore !
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They should be banished to Pulau Senang where the RSAF conducts live bombing exercises!
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They deserve a fair trial to prove if they are innocent, instead of just saying that they are terrorist and put them under ISA arrest. -
Yes, I agree we should put them into a fair trial to prove their innocent.Originally posted by maurizio13:They deserve a fair trial to prove if they are innocent, instead of just saying that they are terrorist and put them under ISA arrest.
However, the point is if they are proven to be guilty, should they be life sentensed or death sentensed ? -
I thought the Internal Security Act was a tool to control the domestic population from creating domestic unrest.
I am not condoning the act of the alledged terrorists, but if they are planning to create foreign unrest and not domestic unrest then it appears to me as an misuse of the ISA.
This sort of action by the Government may spur other suseptible minds to associate Singapore with the politics of the matter. That is not the message we should be encouraging. This type of association may direct efforts towards acts of terrorism against Singapore.
I think the Government should let it air itself out in Court to avoid the potential blowback. -
I don't think that is the point.Originally posted by ms_ok:Yes, I agree we should put them into a fair trial to prove their innocent.
However, the point is if they are proven to be guilty, should they be life sentensed or death sentensed ?
The point is how do we handle it in a manner that we don't become guilty by association. -
So what do you suggest?Originally posted by phil30k:I thought the Internal Security Act was a tool to control the domestic population from creating domestic unrest.
I am not condoning the act of the alledged terrorists, but if they are planning to create foreign unrest and not domestic unrest then it appears to me as an misuse of the ISA.
This sort of action by the Government may spur other suseptible minds to associate Singapore with the politics of the matter. That is not the message we should be encouraging. This type of association may direct efforts towards acts of terrorism against Singapore.
I think the Government should let it air itself out in Court to avoid the potential blowback.
What do you meant by "let it air itself out in Court " ?
What should be done to those guility terrorists ? -
What do you suggest then ?Originally posted by phil30k:I don't think that is the point.
The point is how do we handle it in a manner that we don't become guilty by association. -
It is true..the new laws can be used to charge Singaporeans with a crime if they wish to foment terror acts abroad, in foreign countries targeting foreign governments too.
While terrorism is a nasty thing, there is a fine line to be drawn. Will Singaporeans be charged for instigating a coup or engaging in paramilitary action abroad against dictatorial regimes or terrorist-supporting states?
(Purely theoretical question which might cause a bit of a conundrum)
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they should be trial according to the law lor
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i advocate fair trial in an open court. if ISD can arrest them on the account of "terrorist suspicion" based on some hearsay, then ALL of us in this forumers that have been spewing anti-LKY and PAP messages are guilty of that.
remember the Marxist conspiracy in the 80s in spore poly? they arrest some students and a teacher with great suspicion and the newspapers back then had "MARXIST CONSPIRACY" splashed across the headline. are they really into overthrowing the govt? nobody know!
but then again, we don't have a free press and the culture is to obey and not to question. -
How cumm Sinkapore going into Pre-Crime? Those guys have not done any wrong things yet right? Since when aquiring new skill is a devil in the making?
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Agree. Under attenuating circumstances, the ISA can be used to seize dangerous individuals, but a follow-up court hearing will provide clarity on the incident, and hopefully dispel the fears that our govt abuses the ISA for political gains.Originally posted by maurizio13:They deserve a fair trial to prove if they are innocent, instead of just saying that they are terrorist and put them under ISA arrest. -
you have missed the point.Originally posted by BillyBong:Agree. Under attenuating circumstances, the ISA can be used to seize dangerous individuals, but a follow-up court hearing will provide clarity on the incident, and hopefully dispel the fears that our govt abuses the ISA for political gains.
the point is of these ppl have proven guilty in court, should they be life sentence/death sentence ? Not on ISA -
they should be detained however there is a need to show proof of such act otherwise it can be used as a mean to rid of political threat
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go to poyan demolition range more shiok, make them stand infront of ADMOriginally posted by :They should be banished to Pulau Senang where the RSAF conducts live bombing exercises! -
New laws? what new laws?Originally posted by LazerLordz:It is true..the new laws can be used to charge Singaporeans with a crime if they wish to foment terror acts abroad, in foreign countries targeting foreign governments too.
While terrorism is a nasty thing, there is a fine line to be drawn. Will Singaporeans be charged for instigating a coup or engaging in paramilitary action abroad against dictatorial regimes or terrorist-supporting states?
(Purely theoretical question which might cause a bit of a conundrum) -
I understand you are asking what the punishment should be?Originally posted by happieman:you have missed the point.
the point is of these ppl have proven guilty in court, should they be life sentence/death sentence ? Not on ISA
Well if they were arrested under the ISA provisions, their punishment would be according to the ISA provisions as well. -
TERRORISM (SUPPRESSION OF BOMBINGS) ACT 2007Originally posted by phil30k:New laws? what new laws?
"Extra-territoriality
7. Every person who, outside Singapore, commits an act or omission that, if committed in Singapore, would constitute a terrorist bombing offence is deemed to commit the act or omission in Singapore and may be proceeded against, charged, tried and punished accordingly."
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_legdisp.pl?actno=2007-ACT-50-N&doctitle=TERRORISM%20%28SUPPRESSION%20OF%20BOMBINGS%29%20ACT%202007%0a&date=latest&method=part&sl=1
It is an interesting law with potential extra-territorial jurisdiction. Perhaps it might be symbolic, and that itself is a positive thing for our security. However, like any law, it needs some checks and balances.
Here comes the theoretical limitations of this law, when taken into context an act of "terror" defined by us, but is deemed not illegal in a foreign land, committed by a Singaporean. If Singapore has good relations with that state, which could be a pariah state, the complexities grow. (Good thing we don't have PMCs running around eh :lol
All in all, it is interesting to see more extra-territorial legislation being passed in Singapore, the other one being an amendment to the Drugs Misuse Act.
And I think this is one particular Act that no one would really oppose.
(Pardon me and the wall of text, this just piqued my academic curiosity) -
In other countries, terrorist are put to trial to let the courts decide if they are truly guilty.Originally posted by ms_ok:Yes, I agree we should put them into a fair trial to prove their innocent.
However, the point is if they are proven to be guilty, should they be life sentensed or death sentensed ?
I am not opposed to a life sentence in prison, but I am against death penalty. If a person is a danger to the public, then all that's called for is for the government to separate them from the public. But death penalty is an easy way out as opposed to building more prisons to house them permanently; as if Singapore hasn't got an over abundance of prison already. -
these chaps are not terrorists ... they are terrorist wannabes .....
I think they got a pretty good deal .... they'll get interrogated, they'll have preachers from MUIS etc to come in and preach to them, and after a few quiet years they'll be quietly reintegrated into society again ....
unless people think we should wait till they blows themselves up, sets a few bombs off in the MRT or go ride a donkey in afghanistan first .... -
Originally posted by ms_ok:
They should be sent to the gas chamber,specially built here.If Government dont want to build a new one,the terrorists will instead be deported to Auschwitz concentration camp.
Should the terrorists be released ? Or should they be life sentensed or death sentense for the safety of Singaporean?
Is very troubling of the tread of Self-redicalised Terrorist in Singapore !
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If ISD amends the ISA such that any terrorist or terrorist-wannabe will be gassed at the gas chamber immediatelly w/o trial,Malaysia will also think twice before invading singapore(see thread abt UMNO).Hit 2 bird with one stone -
Dear LazerLordz,
Thank you for your answer. I read it with great interest and have the following to share.
It appears to me that the TERRORISM (SUPPRESSION OF BOMBINGS) ACT 2007 pertains to bombings and require the existence of a bomb to become applicable. I don't think actual bombs were found in the recent case. Feel free to correct me.
Extra-territoriality appears to me to be an alternative to having suspected Singaporean terrorists tried in the country in which the terrorist act was committed. We can't just hand over Citizens to other countries when they declare suspicion.
So if another country asks how the terrorist would be prosecuted in Singapore, this act may reassure them we are not supportive of terrorist bombings and serious about punishing the terrorist.
I suppose also so they won't feel obligated to have to send troops into Singapore to ensure the terrorist is punished properly. -
Dear Lazerlordz
One of the drawbacks of being a global city.
Protestors from other countries may travel to yours to riot. -
Well, if we want to be "global" we have to live with all the things that it brings.Originally posted by phil30k:Dear Lazerlordz
One of the drawbacks of being a global city.
Protestors from other countries may travel to yours to riot.
You can't have your cake and eat it.