LKY:Nvm Suharto's few billion $$
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LKY:Nvm Suharto's few billion $$
This is another LKY politically not correct statement,but i find
he is damn honest.
LKY and the old guards just do the correct
things,but not politically correct things.
Like he allowed prostitution in Singapore(in the name to
meet the needs of sailors passing here) for few decades,
allow MNC to set up factory to do low tech jobs to exploite
workers during the anti--Colony era,
to adopt the export oriented policy instead of import--substitution.
Yes,Suharto and his family/gang got a lot of $$ during his term of
office.But the country do get progress.
Can u compare with the 60 years old democracy country of
India?
LKY said Suharto is better then Ne Win.
So never mind ''few billion dollars lost in bad excesses'',LKY said.
no country or policy can be perfect.
While we know the dying old man did somethings wrong(In LKY standard
is damn wrong),dunt forget he did somethings right.
Have u seen any big scale and organised anti--Chinese riots
during his controls?Chinese Girls and women were raped
in front of their family when he is not in control.
Do u think Suharto allow this to be happened?
Investments sometimes loss,sometimes gain....After his visit, Mr. Lee told reporters that Mr. SuhartoÂ’s legacy was not being properly honored.
“Yes, he gave favors to his family and his friends, but there was real growth, real progress,” Mr. Lee said, seeming to forgive what he has refused to tolerate among his own ministers. “He educated the population. He built roads and infrastructure.”
Mr. Lee noted that Mr. Suharto seized power in a coup in 1965 just a few years after Ne Win had seized power similarly in Burma, which is now called Myanmar.
“Compare,” Mr. Lee said. “Who’s better off? Who deserves to be honored? What’s a few billion dollars lost in bad excesses? He built hundreds of billions of dollars worth of assets.”
Here in the city of Solo and in the surrounding countryside, it was this growth that people said they remembered, not the corruption or the repressive rule, not the economic crash that hastened the end of his tenure or the massacres that marked the beginning, when at least 500,000 people were killed.
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The democratic freedoms of the post-Suharto years have included the removal of subsidies for basic goods, and many people have struggled with rising prices... [/quote]
1.ask your Indonesia friends who are men in the street.
do they prefer Suharto era or post Suharto?
This is the best yard stick.Indonesia GDP GDP - per capita (PPP):$3,400 (2007 est.)
INdia:$2,700 (2007 est.)
Burma:$1,900 (2007est)
There is no good country.But which is better?
2. in the Philippine,
GDP per capita averaged 3.5% from 1951 to 1965, while under the Marcos regime (1966 to 1986), annual average growth was only 1.4%.
how about under Suharto era ?
3.[quote]Originally posted by ^tamago^:
When he said that, he is also trying to cover his backside. Without the recent losses in Temasek and GIC, his speech about his backside would not have been as passionate.
No risks,no gain.What is your great idea to manage reserve? -
When he said that, he is also trying to cover his backside. Without the recent losses in Temasek and GIC, his speech about his backside would not have been as passionate.
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Is LKY talking about himself?
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KNN, trying to sidestep the topic. As expected.
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let him say what he wants lah
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so the disappearance of half a million citizens during suharto regime is justified? all in the name of so called 'advance' & 'progress' ?? how much has indonesia progressed actually?
India is doing so much better now and it'll be a power horse like China in future...can indonesia become a power horse in future? not by the way its progressing ..
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so can corrupt if can make economy boom isit?
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no one is perfect, but most of the ppl will only remember what he did wrongly since he is the leader of a country...
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Nvm Suharto's few billion coz he himself amassed far more than that amount
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He is dead!
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thought lky is lion's one and only idol, didn't know suharto is another of his idol.
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The Australian seem copy from LKY assessment on Suharto.
A president of his region and timesDESPITE his many failings, Australia has reason to be thankful for the steadying hand former Indonesian president Suharto brought to the world's most populous Muslim nation, immediately to our north. That he was able to create even a semblance of national unity in what was, when he took office, an economically ravaged collection of disparate islands is in many ways miraculous. Although justifiably criticised for the brutality of many of his actions and the family corruption that flourished, particularly in his later years in office, Suharto was above all a product of the region and the times......
1.dunt blame him for 1997 crisis.He did not forceBusinesssmen
borrowed rupee at low interest and convert it to foreign currency.
Can anyone give the ex rate during his office here.
in 1994 to mid 1997 ,it is 2150 to 2300 to one US$!! -
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...and no wonder the despots said TT Durai was paid 'peanuts'... one law for themselves and another for the rest of us...
...and one day we wake up and discovered that the reserves fell into the hands of one despotic family... they will tell us 'Nvm ..the... few billion'
Immoral Despots.... -
Now that we know what kind of attitude and morals they have, issn't it time to give more support to Dr Chee for some real change before it is too late?
You cannot imagine anyone other than the martyr of Singapore to forge real changes can you? -
Only people that are willing to make real personal sacrifices can effect real change when faced with despots in power...
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Suharto as a former president, doing something for the country is part of his job, like any citizen of a country. But can one commit in crime just because he has also done something good for the country. Furthermore, he doesn't work as president free of charge, he earned official income and unoffical income worths billions of dollars. Let's assume that corruption in indonesia is not that illegal that time. But how about the people that he killed?
How about the father of independencde Sukarno that he oust by launching a coup. After being arrested without any fair trial from the court (worse than ISA), Sukarna died few years later. No one including his childrens are not allowed to see his last face. No mourning, no debates of whether this father of independence should be forgiven, no billion dollars of lottery for his children to inherit, no freedom of speech and movement. Come on, we don't even know how he died?
Then for Suharto, he forced chinese to give up their chinese identity, no classes of chinese, no chinese new year, but they still being treated as 3rd class citizen.
and he still hope to be given some honour and forgive by the people?
Did he ever forgive those people who has different opinions from him?
Did he ever appreciate the contribution of those people that he killed during his regime?