why cant we have work equity in SG?
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like those in australia..
Why have employment equity?
The legal framework
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- Equal Opportunity in Public Employment Act 1992
- Public Service Act 1996
- Anti-Discrimination Act 1991
- Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cwlth)
- Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (Cwlth)
- Disability Discrimination Act 1992 (Cwlth)
- Discrimination and harassment are illegal.
- All Queensland public sector agencies must develop and implement EEO management plans that will enable target groups members to compete for recruitment, selection, promotion and transfer in the agency and within other agencies and pursue careers in the agency and other agencies as effectively as non target group members and eliminate unlawful discrimination by the agency or its employees against target group members with respect to employment.
- Agencies must report to the Public Service Commissioner on progress achieved by their EEO Management Plans.
- Discrimination legislation exposes agencies and government employees to the
risk of vicarious liability. This is a legal principle that holds a person or
organisation responsible for the wrongful actions of another: If any of a
person's workers or agents contravenes the Act in the course of work or while
acting as agent, both the person and the worker or agent, as the case may be,
are jointly and severally civilly liable for the contravention, and a proceeding
under the Act may be taken against either or both.
(Anti-Discrimination Act 1991, section 133(1)) - Further information on discrimination issues and vicarious liability can be obtained from the Anti-Discrimination Commission.
Employment equity activities in the Queensland public sector are governed by the following legislation:
Key issues from the legislative framework are:
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- Benefits of employment equity
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- Increased ability to achieve the Queensland Government's priorities
- Improved individual, family and community vitality based on respect for diversity
- Developing facilities and providing community services that benefit all Queenslanders
- Improved and integrated Government service delivery based on the needs of all Queenslanders
- The organisation reflects the community it serves, resulting in improved ability to understand the client and customise services, products and decisions to meet their needs
- Increased exposure to talented and creative people
- Better use of talent which may be untapped in the organisation
- Increased competitiveness as differences provide a competitive advantage
- Enhanced breadth of understanding of the importance of difference in leadership positions
- Development of important people management skills such as empathy, recognising and working with difference, team problem solving and ability to network effectively with a range of people
- An inclusive and supportive workplace
- Exposure to workplaces that encourage development of high level skills e.g. negotiation, problem solving and working with difference
- Improved career opportunities
Apart from the legal requirement to develop and implement employment equity programs, there are many benefits of implementing an employment equity/diversity program. The benefits include:
Government and community benefits
Organisational benefits
Individual benefits
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- Achieving the Queensland Government's priorities
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- globalisation is having an ever increasing impact on the Queensland community resulting in the public sector engaging with increasingly diverse markets, communities and workforces
- there is a move towards partnering, networking and developing communities of interest with different levels of government, non-government organisations and the community
- of the increased use of cross level and cross functional teams in workplaces.
The Queensland Government is committed to creating a workforce that reflects and is representative of the Queensland community. This is important because:
These factors are reflected in the Queensland Government's five priorities and make EEO and diversity management increasingly important for the Queensland Government to achieve these priorities.
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... frankly, Singapore is UNDER-DEVELOPED in this aspect, which is one of the many reasons people are leaving by the thousands...
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I agree that there is discrimination in Singapore but legislation may not be an answer. How do you know if an employer discriminates based on race/sex/religion ?
Suppose the majority of my staff are men and due to affirmative action i have to hire more women. Is it fair to the male interviewees who i deem to be more qualified if i hired a less qualified woman due to legislation ? Is it fair to me ?
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The drawing up of legislation is not usually an easy task but probably necessary because work equity is something good employers will grant but bad employers won't.
A good employer will still do his best to provide all in his community with jobs so people can make a living eg hiring a disabled person although they may not be as productive. End result is the community is happy and all can make a living without government stepping in to provide assistance.
Bad employers only hire the best as this is best for their business, they don't care about livelihood or the state of the community. There may not be an impact on the community because there are still good employers around.
However in time, the good employers are forced out of business because they are not as competitive. The market is now only stocked with bad employers.
Now portions of the population become unable to find jobs and become needy. Poverty and unemployment generally leads to discontent and crime. It was the efforts of the good employers which held most of this at bay.
Now the bad employers move away because of the crime and degenerating environment further exarcerbating the problem and the location becomes depressed.
The law seeks to punish bad employers who practice this sort of hiring practice. Look at it not in terms of discrimination or in terms of economic principle but in terms of actively discouraging the kind of pickyness and social irresponsibility that will lead to the above negative social scenarios. The law will make more sense then.
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They rather spend more time drafting laws to entrench themself deeper in the system.
Those laws you mentioned would have no consequences for them, it doesn't benefit them at all.
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Originally posted by phil30k:
The drawing up of legislation is not usually an easy task but probably necessary because work equity is something good employers will grant but bad employers won't.
A good employer will still do his best to provide all in his community with jobs so people can make a living eg hiring a disabled person although they may not be as productive. End result is the community is happy and all can make a living without government stepping in to provide assistance.
Bad employers only hire the best as this is best for their business, they don't care about livelihood or the state of the community. There may not be an impact on the community because there are still good employers around.
However in time, the good employers are forced out of business because they are not as competitive. The market is now only stocked with bad employers.
Now portions of the population become unable to find jobs and become needy. Poverty and unemployment generally leads to discontent and crime. It was the efforts of the good employers which held most of this at bay.
Now the bad employers move away because of the crime and degenerating environment further exarcerbating the problem and the location becomes depressed.
The law seeks to punish bad employers who practice this sort of hiring practice. Look at it not in terms of discrimination or in terms of economic principle but in terms of actively discouraging the kind of pickyness and social irresponsibility that will lead to the above negative social scenarios. The law will make more sense then.
sir, i worked as a presales technical consultant and i visited all the major local and overseas banks in SG and i can tell u, the whoooole IT depts are usually staffed with indians and pinoys. why? is there a discrimination against hiring locals?
but bottomline; the sporeans in singapore arent accustomed to be aware of their civil and employment rights. usually think for the top management instead of ourselves and in the end, shortchanged ourselves even without realizing it. I too fell into this trap when i was in SG. not anymore.
my purpose is to bring forth such laws that are commonly practised here in oz to the general public of singapore. whether u will pursuade the MPs to push forth such bill is entirely up to you.
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<> Correct, Singaporeans don't know their rights. We didn't know that by making it mandatory for us to use our CPF money to buy annuity the gahmen is encroaching into our inalienable rights to property. This right is protected against coercion from whatever source - state, church or society, in all 1st world democratic countries.
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Originally posted by pearlie27:
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aware of their civil and employment rights. usually think for the
top management instead of ourselves and in the end, shortchanged
ourselves even without realizing it. I too fell into this trap when
i was in SG. not anymore.>>Correct, Singaporeans don’t know their rights. We didn’t know that by making it mandatory for us to use our CPF money to buy annuity the gahmen is encroaching into our inalienable rights to property. This right is protected against coercion from whatever source – state, church or society, in all 1st world democratic countries.
We are serfs, not humans, so therefore we don't deserve human rights.
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omg there is discrimination and harrasment there too?
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yap agree with Ed.
I just can't understand why are isn't there a minimum wage for general workers in singapore but there are minimum wage for minsters ??
Can any one elaborate
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Originally posted by fishbuff:
sir, i worked as a presales technical consultant and i visited all the major local and overseas banks in SG and i can tell u, the whoooole IT depts are usually staffed with indians and pinoys. why? is there a discrimination against hiring locals?
but bottomline; the sporeans in singapore arent accustomed to be aware of their civil and employment rights. usually think for the top management instead of ourselves and in the end, shortchanged ourselves even without realizing it. I too fell into this trap when i was in SG. not anymore.
my purpose is to bring forth such laws that are commonly practised here in oz to the general public of singapore. whether u will pursuade the MPs to push forth such bill is entirely up to you.
Maybe you should advice others to stay away from IT industry. because the days of dot.com millionaires are long over.
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Originally posted by TCH05:
Maybe you should advice others to stay away from IT industry. because the days of dot.com millionaires are long over.
nope. we IT professionals will not be a pawn in the PAP's screwed up FT strategies. instead i encourage all to move overseas to explore their potential and careers. SG is one place where its own citizens are discriminated by its own govt. IT professions are high in demand overseas so i strongly encourage all to take up IT as their profession.
job displacement have been rampant in IT, service and construction, soon it is spreading to law, medical, and other professions.
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Originally posted by fishbuff:
nope. we IT professionals will not be a pawn in the PAP's screwed up FT strategies. instead i encourage all to move overseas to explore their potential and careers. SG is one place where its own citizens are discriminated by its own govt. IT professions are high in demand overseas so i strongly encourage all to take up IT as their profession.
job displacement have been rampant in IT, service and construction, soon it is spreading to law, medical, and other professions.
Do you have indian IT professionals in Australia?
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Originally posted by TCH05:
Do you have indian IT professionals in Australia?
what is your profession?
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Originally posted by fishbuff:
what is your profession?
Hehehe....
Goverment internet counter-insurgency aka
A lackey aka èµ°
.Ooops! I exposed your cover.
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Originally posted by TCH05:
Do you have indian IT professionals in Australia?
they have indian call centres. Amazing how you call your mobile phone provider and your call gets picked up in India, with an accent not all can comprehend.
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Welcome to Singapore...
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Originally posted by caleb_chiang:
Welcome to Singapore...
Land of opportunities. :D -
ya sure...
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Hehehe....
Goverment internet counter-insurgency aka
A lackey aka èµ°.Ooops! I exposed your cover.
a couple of jobs came to my mind;
- saf regulars
- civil servants
- students
- isd officers
- imh patients
- FT converted to sinkie.. sing all praises now without serving ns.
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Originally posted by fishbuff:
like those in australia..
Why have employment equity?
- The legal framework
-
- Equal Opportunity in Public Employment Act 1992
- Public Service Act 1996
- Anti-Discrimination Act 1991
- Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cwlth)
- Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (Cwlth)
- Disability Discrimination Act 1992 (Cwlth)
- Discrimination and harassment are illegal.
- All Queensland public sector agencies must develop and implement EEO management plans that will enable target groups members to compete for recruitment, selection, promotion and transfer in the agency and within other agencies and pursue careers in the agency and other agencies as effectively as non target group members and eliminate unlawful discrimination by the agency or its employees against target group members with respect to employment.
- Agencies must report to the Public Service Commissioner on progress achieved by their EEO Management Plans.
- Discrimination legislation exposes agencies and government employees to the risk of vicarious liability. This is a legal principle that holds a person or organisation responsible for the wrongful actions of another: If any of a person's workers or agents contravenes the Act in the course of work or while acting as agent, both the person and the worker or agent, as the case may be, are jointly and severally civilly liable for the contravention, and a proceeding under the Act may be taken against either or both.
(Anti-Discrimination Act 1991, section 133(1)) - Further information on discrimination issues and vicarious liability can be obtained from the Anti-Discrimination Commission.
-
Employment equity activities in the Queensland public sector are governed by the following legislation:
Key issues from the legislative framework are:
-
- Benefits of employment equity
-
- Increased ability to achieve the Queensland Government's priorities
- Improved individual, family and community vitality based on respect for diversity
- Developing facilities and providing community services that benefit all Queenslanders
- Improved and integrated Government service delivery based on the needs of all Queenslanders
- The organisation reflects the community it serves, resulting in improved ability to understand the client and customise services, products and decisions to meet their needs
- Increased exposure to talented and creative people
- Better use of talent which may be untapped in the organisation
- Increased competitiveness as differences provide a competitive advantage
- Enhanced breadth of understanding of the importance of difference in leadership positions
- Development of important people management skills such as empathy, recognising and working with difference, team problem solving and ability to network effectively with a range of people
- An inclusive and supportive workplace
- Exposure to workplaces that encourage development of high level skills e.g. negotiation, problem solving and working with difference
- Improved career opportunities
-
Apart from the legal requirement to develop and implement employment equity programs, there are many benefits of implementing an employment equity/diversity program. The benefits include:
Government and community benefits
Organisational benefits
Individual benefits
-
- Achieving the Queensland Government's priorities
-
- globalisation is having an ever increasing impact on the Queensland community resulting in the public sector engaging with increasingly diverse markets, communities and workforces
- there is a move towards partnering, networking and developing communities of interest with different levels of government, non-government organisations and the community
- of the increased use of cross level and cross functional teams in workplaces.
-
The Queensland Government is committed to creating a workforce that reflects and is representative of the Queensland community. This is important because:
These factors are reflected in the Queensland Government's five priorities and make EEO and diversity management increasingly important for the Queensland Government to achieve these priorities.
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What u are giving is the the bright side, but try to give the dark side too.
Australia`s law system is that of the developed world unlike singapore's immature system and is even more complicated than singapore
Things in Aus work similar to what u expereinced in NS. someone has to be the scapegoat and doesnt come down the line like in singapore, it goes up eventually to the employer
yeah all these sound policies are in place but there is always an equal and opposite to everything to ensure the golden balance in the grand scheme of things, and when something goes wrong, lawsuits start flying and do u know that in certain industries in aus, if u are sued, the employer and employee have to bear 50%-50% of the amount of money they had to pay for in damages?
Its also one of the main reason why there is a severe shortage of skilled workers in the food industry eg, chef as this is one of the industries venerable to problems such as food poisoning ....
I guess in singapore, u are just fined and let off for food poisoning...
also in Aus , workplace safety is througly checked upoun when an accident or death occurs in the workplace....The employer has a big headache in the event when an accident or death takes place...
In this aspect working in singapore is kind of better because everything has been predetermined and mandated by the goverment and is tied in to a centralised law system which governs almost everything. Singapore due to the nature of its economy and workforce will not afford to have the system that is found in Aus. The downside to the Singapore law system is that its vague and general in nature and thus can be be made into anything u want it to be...
all governments in the world will try to paint a rosy picture but beneath the closet lies the ugly truth