JI Leader Mas Selamat Escaped From Detention Centre
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He's probably hiding with bangalas right now. With his terrorist friends of course.
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maybe he already left our dear singapore
and still searching high and low for him
as if he is still "around"
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by now, i think he might have left singapore liao..
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... with their kind of Top Down governance, you think they make much use of their legs???... if you look closely next NDP, you'll note how rounded the derriers are...
all the more reason that muhamed is wrong. i can't see why he keeps thinking that the minister is totally not at fault. unless he's in their pocket too?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
all the more reason that muhamed is wrong. i can't see why he keeps thinking that the minister is totally not at fault. unless he's in their pocket too?
In what way can you link his escape directly to minister's fault?
If the fax machine broke down because maintainence didn't do their job its also the company's president's fault?
If someone broke into microsoft branch in Singapore because the security guard wasn't doing their job is also Bill Gate's fault?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
all the more reason that muhamed is wrong. i can't see why he keeps thinking that the minister is totally not at fault. unless he's in their pocket too?
... I feel that, the point is; if these people (the "govt") don't brag so much, we as a people would not fault them so readily... -
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
all the more reason that muhamed is wrong. i can't see why he keeps thinking that the minister is totally not at fault. unless he's in their pocket too?
On a personal note, I don't like it when blame is pushed up because of someone below could not follow orders...
Have you been a leader of a group project before? Do you feel unfair that when one of your team didn't listen to your order then the blame was pushed to you just because you are the leader?
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
In what way can you link his escape directly to minister's fault?
If the fax machine broke down because maintainence didn't do their job its also the company's president's fault?
If someone broke into microsoft branch in Singapore because the security guard wasn't doing their job is also Bill Gate's fault?
You'll have to wonder why one of the most dangerous minds is kept in one of the weakest detention facility in Singapore and ask who makes that decision. He is held under ISA and if that prevents him from being held in a facility with better security, who makes that decision ? Why is security in the detention centre lacking in the first place ?
That said, those who oppose the ISA should be happy as technically he is innocent and yet to be found guilty in court. Those human rights preachers in speakers corner and those who abhors the ISA should be happy that he is a free man.
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
In what way can you link his escape directly to minister's fault?
If the fax machine broke down because maintainence didn't do their job its also the company's president's fault?
If someone broke into microsoft branch in Singapore because the security guard wasn't doing their job is also Bill Gate's fault?
it would be because bill gate's system was lousy to begin with. and he was the one who birthed it and made the initial designs and was only concerned with making marketable software and making a pretty profit.
he may not be directly at fault, but he's indirectly responsible. just like the minister.
just taking measures like regular spot checks, and having drills, would have improved the situation. agree or not, muhamed?
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... you know, Hub this Hub that, World this World that, 1st this & that, Center of this or that..
... eventually, something's gotta trip.. and one by one, Hub, World, Center, 1st, whatever will trip...
... it's matter of time, they themselves may fall over...
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
In what way can you link his escape directly to minister's fault?
If the fax machine broke down because maintainence didn't do their job its also the company's president's fault?
If someone broke into microsoft branch in Singapore because the security guard wasn't doing their job is also Bill Gate's fault?
if you employ a maid to look after your kids at home. then one of your kids somehow got injure and hospitalise when u out to work. should you scold your kid, scold your maid or scold both of them?
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imagine the youth olympic getting revoked because of damned terrorist, lol.
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he could be hiding inside the bushes
anyway tat place there was army NSF and MPs
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our cops are a joke!!!!!!
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
On a personal note, I don't like it when blame is pushed up because of someone below could not follow orders...
Have you been a leader of a group project before? Do you feel unfair that when one of your team didn't listen to your order then the blame was pushed to you just because you are the leader?
oh yes i have. and i have led a platoon before too. and i make sure things go according to my plan. if my men are uncoorperative. i have to take action to ask someone else to do it. i walk around making sure things are in order.
and i don't like it either, when blame is pushed down because the upper management makes a fatal judgement call. sure it's always someone else's fault. the top management is never to blame. why? because he didn't know that his men aren't doing their job. why? because he fucking didn't do his own job to make sure they did their job!
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Originally posted by newcomer:
imagine the youth olympic getting revoked because of damned terrorist, lol.
... it would be a good humbling experience for the "govt"... -
Originally posted by freedom4ever:
if you employ a maid to look after your kids at home. then one of your kids somehow got injure and hospitalise when u out to work. should you scold your kid, scold your maid or scold both of them?
Scold your maid because the maid is in direct charge of your kids...
But if you are trying to put it into context, you should also scold yourself because you hired the maid. Next scold the maid agency for getting the maid. Next scold the government for allowing a maid like that to enter singapore. Next scold the minister of the country the maid came from. Next scold the maid's parents...
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I think by now he is in Indonesia already...go find his friends
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
Scold your maid because the maid is in direct charge of your kids...
But if you are trying to put it into context, you should also scold yourself because you hired the maid. Next scold the maid agency for getting the maid. Next scold the government for allowing a maid like that to enter singapore. Next scold the minister of the country the maid came from. Next scold the maid's parents...
... that is most meticulous, but can be done, & relevant... -
Originally posted by Jericholic:
I think by now he is in Indonesia already...go find his friends
... heck, if it is orchestrated with inside help, he could have already farked, fed himself, drank his fill, and sleeping fitfully right now...
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... that is most meticulous, but can be done, & relevant...zzz... you can't be serious...
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
Scold your maid because the maid is in direct charge of your kids...
But if you are trying to put it into context, you should also scold yourself because you hired the maid. Next scold the maid agency for getting the maid. Next scold the government for allowing a maid like that to enter singapore. Next scold the minister of the country the maid came from. Next scold the maid's parents...
i'm saying they should take responsibility for their roles. they demanded a higher pay, they get higher responsibility. there's no such thing as you get all the bread and butter but when things screw up, you're in the clear.
it works the same way in the fire safety officer line. you're in charge of making sure the building you're in charge of, stays fire-proof. you make sure that there's preventive measures, and reactive measures.
if you're unlucky and there is a fire, you'll be questioned. for information during fire rescue, and how did it happen. will people only fire the security guard and leave you alone? no, you are in charge of the team. you are responsible to make sure everything goes smoothly. that's your job, that's what you're paid for. sure, you have a team to help you, and its your job to make sure they do their job to make sure the security guard does his job.
you slack, and your team will slack too, and then the security guard sees it and wonders why should he be so alert when his bosses don't seem to give a hoot, and they're paid so much more too. then he slacks and someone dies in a fire. and that's what happened yesterday.
the head probably slacked, then his team slacked, and everyone down the organizational flowchart slacks, and an window of opportunity appears and a JI member takes off.
lesson here is: if you can't do the job properly, don't ask for such a high pay which you don't deserve.
and yes. the minister still has some responsibility for this. he is not in the clear.
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
Scold your maid because the maid is in direct charge of your kids...
But if you are trying to put it into context, you should also scold yourself because you hired the maid. Next scold the maid agency for getting the maid. Next scold the government for allowing a maid like that to enter singapore. Next scold the minister of the country the maid came from. Next scold the maid's parents...
LOL. i really wonder can you see the point i trying to bring up?
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Originally posted by kramnave:
You'll have to wonder why one of the most dangerous minds is kept in one of the weakest detention facility in Singapore and ask who makes that decision. He is held under ISA and if that prevents him from being held in a facility with better security, who makes that decision ? Why is security in the detention centre lacking in the first place ?
That said, those who oppose the ISA should be happy as technically he is innocent and yet to be found guilty in court. Those human rights preachers in speakers corner and those who abhors the ISA should be happy that he is a free man.
That's true. I feel they compound the LAPSE with making stupid comments of no immediate danger, not armed, not important how he escaped, etc. He had better still be in Singapore because it would be easier to find him here. If he has escaped the country, the Singapore government had better pray hard every day till he is found.Is it a lapse or was it planned? Someone must have taken him in as presumbably he walked out without any identification and money.
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Surprising,even after news was released that Ministry of Defence at Bukit Gombak was targeted,there was no increased security at all,or rather - none at all.