JI Leader Mas Selamat Escaped From Detention Centre
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
glad you touch, at least i can still trick you...ooops....i mean treat you with sincerity....
hehehe
ok treat me � sushi kekeke
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Mods, sorry for starting a new thread on WP's statement; didn't realise the MSK thread had a "sticky".
Regards
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Nonetheless the preferred airings in internet forums, I think WP deserves a fair share of space. Well, I mean forums should not be dominated by an entity like the real world Singapore is by the PAP :D
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11 March 2008 <!-- by choongyong -->
Escape Of Mas Selamat
Two weeks have elapsed since the escape of Mas Selamat Kastari from the Whitley Road Centre.
Since the occurrence, the immediate priority has rightly been placed on his recapture. Our security forces have been hard at work in an island-wide manhunt, and Singaporeans too have put up with various inconveniences at checkpoints and other areas to facilitate this massive operation.
Many questions have been raised about how this incident could have taken place in a country which prides itself on safety and security. In seeking to reassure Singaporeans, the Minister for Home Affairs has established a Committee of Inquiry under the Prisons Act “to discover how the escape occurred and to recommend appropriate actions to prevent such an incident from occurring again”. (MHA letter to media dated 7 Mar 08).
As Whitley Road Centre is gazetted by law as a prison, the government’s decision to convene the inquiry under the Prisons Act is not wrong. The problem is that the Prisons Act states that such inquiries shall not be open to the public. The Committee will submit its report to the Minister, and no part of the proceedings may be released to anyone except with the Minister’s written permission.
This raises important questions as to how much the public will eventually be told, since the Minister retains the discretion to release the findings as he sees fit. In a matter of such high public interest as the escape of a high-risk terror suspect from a government-run facility, what assurances or checks are there that the public will be given full information? In the interest of transparency, other governments have conducted public hearings into sensitive matters such as intelligence failures.
One option is for the President to appoint a Commission of Inquiry under the Inquiries Act. He can do so when he considers that having a Commission to inquire into any matter would be for the public welfare or in the public interest. This regime will allow the inquiry to proceed in public as the President shall direct. If there is concern that release of certain sensitive information will jeopardize the national interest, the President may direct that certain information not be made public.
Moreover, since Singaporeans have been marshalled to assist the authorities to hunt for Mas Selamat, the least the government could do is to keep us fully informed of the inquiry and its findings.
SYLVIA LIM
CHAIRMAN
11 MAR 08http://www.wp.sg/wordpress/?p=69
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March 11, 2008
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Ms Lim said that 'the least the government could do is keep us fully informed of the inquiry and its findings.' -- ST PHOTO: ALBERT SIM<!-- story content : start --> THE opposition Workers' Party on Tuesday urged the Government to keep the public fully informed of the committee of inquiry's (COI) probe into the escape of terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari, who has been on the run since Feb 27.
It said that as the inquiry is being carried out under the Prisons Act, which means that the Home Affairs Minister retains the discretion ot release the committee's finds as he sees fit, this raises the question 'as to how much the public will eventually be told.'
Said the party chairman Sylvia Lim in a statement: 'In a matter of such high public interest as the escape of a high-risk terror suspect from a government-run facility, what assurances or checks are there that the public will be given full information?'
'Moreover, since Singaporeans have been marshalled to assist the authorities to hunt for Mas Selamat, the least the government could do is to keep us fully informed of the inquiry and its findings,' she added, noting the huge security forces involved in the island-wide manhunt, and the various inconveniences at checkpoints and other areas which Singaporeans have to put up with to facilitiate the massive operation.
Ms Lim, who is a Non-constituency MP, said many questions have been raised about how the escape could have taken place 'in a country which prides itself on safety and security.'
While it is not wrong for the government to convene the three-member inquiry, headed by retired judge Goh Joon Seng, under the Prisons Act, the opposition leader noted that such inquiries are not open to the public.
<!-- show media links starting at 7th para --> 'The Committee will submit its report to the Minister, and no part of the proceedings may be released to anyone except with the Minister's written permission,' she said.
She suggested an alternative option: a COI appointed by the President under the Inquiries Act in the interest of public welfare or public interest.
'This regime will allow the inquiry to proceed in public as the President shall direct. If there is concern that release of certain sensitive information will jeopardise the national interest, the President may direct that certain information not be made public,' she said.
Separately, the Criminal Investigation Department is also looking into whether criminal wrong-doing was involved in the break-out of the leader of the Singapore Jemaah Islamiah (JI) terror network from the Whitley Road Detention Centre.
Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng has said that there was a 'physical breach' and 'security lapse' at the detention centre's compound, which has since been plugged.
The panel, which will also recommend changes to prevent similar break-outs, is expected to complete the review in a month. The other two committee members are retired police commissioner Tee Tua Ba and deputy secretary for security and corporate services Dr Choong May Ling.
In launching the COI on March 2, Mr Wong said he would decide on the part of the committee's findings that can be made public.
Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has said that the escape of Mas Selamat is a 'very severe lesson in complacency.'
The search for the fugitive entered the 13th day on Tuesday. More than 1,100 calls and emails on potential leads have been received by police so far.
Besides reporting sightings or discarded belongings on the fringes of forested areas, many Singaporeans have offered tips on how to nab the escaped detainee.
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March 12, 2008
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SALUTED: Workers' Party chairman Sylvia Lim praised the security forces for their hard work in the islandwide manhunt. -- ST PHOTO: LIM CHIN PING<!-- story content : start --> THE opposition Workers' Party (WP) has called for an alternative panel to be set up by the President to look into the escape of terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari.
Instead of the committee that was set up by Deputy Prime Minister and Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng, the WP proposed yesterday that President S R Nathan appoint a Commission of Inquiry under the Inquiries Act so that investigations 'can proceed in public as the President shall direct'.
In a press statement signed by chairman Sylvia Lim, the WP noted that Mr Wong's Committee of Inquiry is being set up under the Prisons Act.
This is not wrong, since the Whitley Road Detention Centre is considered a prison under this law, said Ms Lim.
However, she pointed out: 'The Prisons Act states that such inquiries shall not be open to the public. The Committee will submit its report to the Minister, and no part of the proceedings may be released to anyone except with the Minister's written permission.
'This raises important questions as to how much the public will eventually be told, since the Minister retains the discretion to release the findings as he sees fit.'
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Reply from Home Affairs Ministry 'Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Home Affairs Wong Kan Seng has stated that after the Committee of Inquiry completes its inquiry, we will give a full account to the public on how Mas Selamat escaped and what has been done to tighten security to prevent such a thing from happening again.'
HOME AFFAIRS MINISTRY SPOKESMAN, in response to The Straits Times yesterdayAs announced by the government, the independent committee is headed by former High Court judge Goh Joon Seng and will look into how Mas Selamat, 47, broke out of the detention centre a fortnight ago and recommend changes to prevent similar breakouts.
'In a matter of such high public interest as the escape of a high-risk terror suspect from a government-run facility, what assurances or checks are there that the public will be given full information?' asked Ms Lim, who is also a Non-Constituency MP.
'In the interest of transparency, other governments have conducted public hearings into sensitive matters such as intelligence failures.'
Since Independence, seven Commissions of Inquiry have been formed, including one on the Sentosa cable car accident in 1983 and another on the Hotel New World collapse in 1986.
In recommending that the President appoint a commission of inquiry under the Inquiries Act, Ms Lim noted that this would 'allow the inquiry to proceed in public as the President shall direct'.
'If there is concern that release of certain sensitive information will jeopardize the national interest, the President may direct that certain information not be made public,' she added.
She asserted: 'Since Singaporeans have been marshalled to assist the authorities to hunt for Mas Selamat, the least the Government could do is to keep us fully informed of the inquiry and its findings.'
But Ms Lim also gave credit to the security forces, saying they have been 'hard at work in an island-wide manhunt' and that the immediate priority has 'rightly' been placed on Mas Selamat's recapture.
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TODAY
WP urges President to appoint
panel to probe JI leader’s escapeLEONG WEE KEAT
[email protected]THE Workers’ Party (WP) is
urging the President to appoint
a Commission of Inquiry to look
into the escape of detained Jemaah
Islamiyah leader Mas Selamat
Kastari, instead of the
committee appointed for that
purpose by the Minister for
Home Affairs.
P a r t y
c h a i r m a n
Sylvia Lim
noted that
under the Inquiries
Act — a
new law
passed last
September —
the President
of Singapore
can appoint a
Commission
to look into
any matter
“for the public
welfare or in the public interest”.
He can also direct that the inquiry
“proceed in public”.
Her party’s concern is that
the current Committee of Inquiry,
as established under the
Prisons Act, allows the Minister
to “retain the discretion to release
the findings as he sees fit”.
“The problem is that the
Prisons Act states that such inquiries
shall not be open to the
public … This raises important
questions as to how much the
public will eventually be told,”
Ms Lim said in a statement,
even as she noted that it was
technically “not wrong” to convene
the inquiry under the Prisons
Act since the Whitley Road
Detention Centre — from which
Mas Selamat escaped on Feb 27
— is gazetted as a prison.
The current committee is
headed by retired High Court
judge Goh Joon Seng, with former
Police Commissioner Tee
Tua Ba and the Home Affairs
Ministry’s deputy secretary for
security and corporate services,
Dr Choong May Ling, on board.
In response, a Ministry of
Home Affairs spokesperson said
that Deputy
Prime Minister
and Home
Affairs Minister
Wong Kan
Seng has stated
that “after
the Committee
of Inquiry
completes its
inquiry, we will
give a full account
to the
public on how
Mas Selamat
escaped and
what has been
done to tighten security to prevent
such a thing from happening
again”.
Pointing out that the escape
of a “high-risk terror suspect”
was a matter of “high public
interest”, Ms Lim, who is a
Non-Constituency Member of
Parliament, said that if the concern
was that “release of certain
sensitive information will jeopardise
the national interest”,
the Inquiries Act allows the
President to direct that such
facts not be made public.
Ms Lim added that “since
Singaporeans have been marshalled
to assist the authorities
to hunt for Mas Selamat, the
least the Government could do
is to keep us fully informed of
the inquiry and its findings”.
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I remember the Anwar black eye.
For months Dr. M could not come up with who beat Anwar up. Police Chief, Prison Chief, guards, all kept mum. High level investigations also bore no results. A highly respected gung ho Police Inspector from Malacca was then sent to investigate, he too came up with noughts. Finally it was the Royal Commission that exposed the Chief of the Chiefs of Police, who was Dr M good friend.
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Originally posted by mancha:
I remember the Anwar black eye.
For months Dr. M could not come up with who beat Anwar up. Police Chief, Prison Chief, guards, all kept mum. High level investigations also bore no results. A highly respected gung ho Police Inspector from Malacca was then sent to investigate, he too came up with noughts. Finally it was the Royal Commission that exposed the Chief of the Chiefs of Police, who was Dr M good friend.
If Malaysia boleh then Singapore oso can!! -
almost 2 week and still no news of him?
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So will the F1 race be in jeopardy? Not easy to secure such a big race track.
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I think our dear friend is probably hidden by some sympathisers out there getting drinks/food for him daily. The govt should come up with a reward that does not make use of the tax-payer's monies. $ will act as a push-factor to those sympathisers who are sitting on the fence, particularly a 7-figure sum. Motivating some informers or betrayals will be the best bet to find him.
To get this amount, probably as an out-of-the-box method, Mr Wong could suggest a way to motivate/mobilise all the ministers to donate a portion of their pay increment for the month into a "Find Mas Selamat Reward Fund". I believe this could easily add up to a 7 figure sum?
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... this is SO ANNOYING.!
.. I don't know to believe this news article or not...
... could well be further attempt to enforce public believes that MSK is still alive...
... perosnally, I now think MSK's dead - long before February...
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'I think I saw Mas Selamat'
A FORTY-YEAR-OLD mother of three was on her way home from work the afternoon Mas Selamat Kastari escaped from the Whitley Road Detention Centre when she spotted a limping man along Thomson Road.She was on Mount Pleasant Road, a short distance from the detention centre, when she saw him approach a stranger.
Although she saw him on Feb 27, it was not until three days later that she realised he might have been the fugitive Jemaah Islamiah leader.
A lecturer in communication skills, she said it was a report in this newspaper that prompted her to call the police. She asked not to be named.This is what she told YEO GHIM LAY and CHONG CHEE KIN:
'I had just finished my work that day and was heading back to my home in Bishan. I work in Stevens Road and usually knock off at about 4.30pm to 4.45pm.
I was at Mount Pleasant Road and waiting to turn into Thomson Road when I had to stop at the junction. That was about 5pm.
I saw a Malay man on the other side of Thomson Road, walking on the pavement against the flow of traffic on that side.
He was walking towards the bus-stop in front of the St Joseph's Institution (SJI) International school.
He had a limp in his left leg. He was dressed in some sort of brown or beige outfit which looked like a T-shirt. He was a little on the plump side, but not fat, and wasn't very tall. He looked very similar to the description they released later of Mas Selamat.
He didn't look well dressed - he was very scruffy, like a vagrant.
There was a Chinese woman dressed all in white walking on the pavement towards him and she was talking on her mobile phone.
When they came towards each other, he held out his hand, looking like he was asking for money, but she ignored him.
I stayed to watch because I was worried he might do something to the woman.
But then he started crossing the road. There wasn't a pedestrian crossing, and he put up his hand to ask the approaching motorists to let him pass.
He stopped at the middle of the road, where there was a barricade. He was facing me then, and I could see his face from the front.
He looked very disoriented, very dishevelled, like he was in a daze. He didn't look like he knew where he was going, or like he was looking for someone.
All this took a few minutes and I had to move off because there was a car behind me.
I'm not sure where the man went after that.
It didn't occur to me at the time that this could have been the terrorist who escaped, because the news didn't come out until that evening.
I only realised that he might have been Mas Selamat on Saturday morning, when I read in The Straits Times about a similar possible sighting near the Singapore Association of the Visually Handicapped in Toa Payoh Rise, just down the road from where I had been.
There was a side profile picture in the papers, and it looked like him. He wasn't clean shaven, had a beard, and looked scruffy.
I called the police. That afternoon an investigating officer met me and took me to the place. I showed the officer where I saw the man.
If the man I saw was Mas Selamat, it didn't look like it was a planned escape. He didn't look like he was waiting for someone to pick him up.'
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Finally, after D+16 following the escape - some solid confirmation of the direction that MSK took after escaping from the Whitley Detention Centre.
Considering that the Detention Centre is at the far end of the ex-Police Academy - almost directly opposite the St. Joseph International - it is remarkable to note the difference is performance between MSK and the leadership's thinking faculties employed to recapture him.
Its approximate location can be described as follows - if one start from the main entrance of the ex-Police Academy {at the slip road from the PIE to Thomson Road}, and scan across the huge Parade Square that is parallel to the PIE [Whitley to Jalan Toa Payoh], then one can spot an old style Government type Primary School building, that sit non-descript at the end of the Parade Square, and shielded by a clump of trees.
Its main entrance seems to be from the Mount Pleasant side - nearer to the slip road where one drive from Stevens Road into the PIE towards Jalan Toa Payoh.
From this Thursday Straits Times news article, it is remarkable the speed that a limping man has taken in escaping from the Detention Centre - and surely reflects the determination of an escapee in getting as far away as possible within the limited time.
MSK escape was discovered at 04.05PM and this lady lecturer reported spotting MSK at Thomson Road at about 04.30PM. - it is amazing that the Authorities at the Detention Centre did not cordon off a wider area immediately after the discovery of the escape.
Almost 20 hours later, during the next morning - the area bounded by Whitley-PIE, Chancery Lane and Dunearn Road was cordoned off and a search was made - which was in the opposite direction and far away from MSK's last spotted location at Thomson Road-Mount Pleasant Road junction.
This new information released in this Thursday edition of the Straits Times surely will reveal the inability of those in the leadership position of the Detention Centre in acting faster to track down MSK, and it surely reveals a narrow mentality in continuing to doubt MSK's ability.
From where the Detention Centre is supposed to be till he was spotted by the reported lady lecturer - it is a distance of almost 1.5 km - it is not difficult even for a limping and desparate MSK to cover this distance in about 25 minutes.
The refusal of the Home Affairs Ministry in making a general public announcement over Radio and TV immediately after the escape - until almost 6 hours later - surely must have undermined the efforts to recapture him. Detailed but very brief information of the escape was further made available only as the days went by without MSK being found.
Now that a member of the public has seen MSK on the loose - at least we know that he is not dead in captivity - and with his immediate and larger family all being under close watch, he can only depend on some old contacts for help, or he will have to take refuge in lorry parks, or in the shrubs under the express ways and bridges, or in some abandoned, or unused, or seldom used buildings.
He can only move around at night - under cover of darkness.
The police will need to intensify neighborhood patrol at night - visiting neighborhood markets, food centres, and lorry parks - where he can spend the night.
They should check out the thick shrub, which makes great cover for MSK - as much as it makes Singapore into a famous Garden City.
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Originally posted by livspore2006:
I think our dear friend is probably hidden by some sympathisers out there getting drinks/food for him daily. The govt should come up with a reward that does not make use of the tax-payer's monies. $ will act as a push-factor to those sympathisers who are sitting on the fence, particularly a 7-figure sum. Motivating some informers or betrayals will be the best bet to find him.
To get this amount, probably as an out-of-the-box method, Mr Wong could suggest a way to motivate/mobilise all the ministers to donate a portion of their pay increment for the month into a "Find Mas Selamat Reward Fund". I believe this could easily add up to a 7 figure sum?
i second your idea. But think we can call it "Gold (Mas in Malay means gold) Hunting Reward" as everyone will be motivated to go gold hunting. The initial amount of the reward can be WKS's pay for Mar 2008 and for every month that Mas is not found WKS will have to give up his salary for the reward. -
the easiest way to your 15mins of fame in Sinkapore now, just quote............
" i think i saw mas selamat"
someone ought to create a rap of this and maybe the post-65 or whatever MPs can sing n hip hop to it in this coming NDP.
WKS can manage the turn table console.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Wow nice tattoo man!!! hahaha -
Originally posted by maurizio13:
How u got this??
And i thought ytd's wanbao, thr was an article on a lady was being asked by the limp for money. Then went away, but the lady report to the police 3 days after this incident cuz she didn't recognize it was him.
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Did the lady give him money? If it was him then he must be thinking....'I need to make a phonecall to my kah kia A.S.A.P'
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Originally posted by weiqimun:
the easiest way to your 15mins of fame in Sinkapore now, just quote............
" i think i saw mas selamat"
someone ought to create a rap of this and maybe the post-65 or whatever MPs can sing n hip hop to it in this coming NDP.
WKS can manage the turn table console.
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Not important that he escaped lah.
As long as Singaporeans bond together and unite and don't point fingers at who is responsible for this incident.
That's the most important thing, right?
That's apparently what the media is focusing on.
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NTR
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I firmly believe in our system and leaders capability.
I believe he will be caught within 6 months, not 6 years. only 6 months time should be more than sufficient. no need wait till 2009.
This case is Unlike the case of Terrorist leader Osamao, who is never caught for years and years. Before 911, no one would believe usa is not invincible.
911 proved everything.
singapore is fortunate not to have experienced much such unfortunate incidents. Its not like we have so much experience in dealing with these kinds of problems. A few incidents woke us up:
1. Collapse of the hotel.
2. Collapse of highway.
3. Rifle in Orchard.
4. One-Eye-Dragon
5. Mas Selamat.
The 5th one is thus far the most destructive or potentially most destructive in multiple aspects and ways.
Still, i am very confident in our leaders. How can I not be, most of us are. We still feel and think and trust that we are safe. thus we still sleep soundly.
Impression is one thing. Most important is reality.
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Would you rather have mas selamat on the run or would you prefer to have MS surrender himself to the authority?
The only way to get MS surrender himself it to give him a chance to renew himself. His is human too you know..we all make mistake
I am not suggesting we should forgive what he has done, but rather give him an opportunity to serve his sentence and be a free man.
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If MAS is the type that is able to respond to reform and re-education efforts - he would not have made a break for freedom.
He is the hardcore diehard believer in his chosen path of political ideals, and will never be subjected to change.
Do you believe that diehards like the infamous Osama Bin Laden, and the Indonesian Cleric Abu Bakar Bashir can be so easily indoctrinated with new social and political values ?
These are the guys who will inspire and indoctrinate their new political idea of a religious empire onto anyone whom they can awe and subject to their own values and control in the interpretation of their Religious-Political Philosophies.
These are the guys who will want to usurp the reins of political power by the back door - not through personal merit as in some meritocratic society - but through the control and agitation of emotional and psychological - religious fervor.
Can we negotiate or reason with a person whose mind is closed, and is dedicated only to a chosen cause ?
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so, was any explanation given to how he escaped , what method, what was the flaw if any and did he escaped on his own and without any premeditation or plan or just by chance or purely good luck or no one got any idea? it just happened and what then to do ?
its been over 2 weeks, but I am still confident in 6 months or less, he will be caught given our men and women in uniforms and non-uniforms are so talented.
I also don't mind we advertise to the whole world for talents who can find out the above answers, if none of any of those i asked can be answered.
see, this is the kind of talent we should embrace and talk about. common skills ones, easy to train.
If more and more shun IT jobs given the cost competitiveness and the great abundance of supply and the highered like never before cost of living and the high stress and long hours and low quality of life, how many want to work in IT till 85?
If less locals go into IT, means more foreigners are needed in addition to status quo. wow, its good to be a businessman when you control the market and labor cost continues to be on the low or goes lower.
as for employees, well, they asked for it. if u know wtf i really mean.
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They r highly paid yet cannot do a clean job.
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was any image or video captured at all?
was there secruity guards watching the monitor of online surveillance at the time?
If they saw mas escaping, they would have screamed right?
If they did not, was there any sensor to detect motion?
If they did, was there anything done about it?
If they did not and there is video footage, can CNA broadcast it?
when it comes to anti-terrorism, transparency is key. critical info should be disseminated to the masses.
As of today , greennich meantime, I have no idea :
1. how he escaped,
2. is he REALLY still in sgpore? likewise, can also ask, is he REALLY not in sgpore?
3. any video? If have say have, no release is still better than not to say anything. The public may feel anxious.
4. any clues? any witnesses? any thing at all?
5. is there security breach on the part of our talented people?
6. what is the status? progress? report?
7. how safe are we given a JI terrorist leader is on the LOOSE?
8. what precaution should sgpore and citizens take?
9. What is the estimated time of capture?
10. is it impossible to capture even if he is still inside the island?
personally, I am confident he will be captured soon. but as always, I am curious to know, and so too are many, i assume.
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For me what surprised me is......that he had the desire to run.
It means....
The security people had not broken his will.
I think they should.
I mean, prison, the whole concept is to re-form right..?
And, terrorists, are people who have strong ideological beliefs, right?
So I think it is legitimate, that terrorists have to be given a strong mental re-education. Much much stronger than common criminals who dont have any ideological reason for carrying their acts.
A special program must be designed. I think they must have known some already. The police, or the intelligence, they must have known how to break people, including for extreme cases like the mind of a terrorist.
So what surprised me, is not only the lack of security at that prison, but also, lack of success in this regard, mental re-education.
They must apply a much stronger program.
Meat Pao.
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this is from wikipedia's article on "Ninja"
"The predecessors of Japan's ninja were so-called rebels favoring Buddhism who fled into the mountains near Kyoto as early as the 7th century A.D. to escape religious persecution and death at the hands of imperial forces."[6]
Intonjutsu
(escape and concealment)Intonjutsu is the Ninja art of "disappearing" and comprises various walking and stealth techniques such as Gotonpo (hiding knowing, using the five elements concepts), and Shinobi-Aruki (silent movement steps and leaps). Ninjas were experts in adapting and improvising in any situation the natural environment advantages, such as water flows, trees branches, or any natural obstacle. Combined with the attention-distracting techniques, with disguise or even taijutsu, and based on a deep understanding of all the 5 nature basic elements, such techniques assured Ninjas all the "ingredients" to conceal or escape from difficult situations.
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