Is Halal Food Dividing Singapore?
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zzz... trust netizens to make mountain out of mole hill... was there an uproar when smoking was banned in food courts, taking away the smoker's choice of smoking in the premisis and separating smokers and non-smokers?
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
zzz... trust netizens to make mountain out of mole hill... was there an uproar when smoking was banned in food courts, taking away the smoker's choice of smoking in the premisis and separating smokers and non-smokers?
Well the argument there is that there are health implications due to second hand smoke. What is the health implication of someone eating non-halal food across the table from the Muslim?
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Originally posted by Phaze:
Well the argument there is that there are health implications due to second hand smoke. What is the health implication of someone eating non-halal food across the table from the Muslim?
No health implication, just respect implications...
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
No health implication, just respect implications...
Agree. But shouldn't respect be a choice?
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I m fine with eating hala food or paying extra for hala certificated food.
In fact, most non muslim in Singapore will be fine with that as we are more and less used to it.
Hala food does not divide Singapore.
But this thread does.
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Originally posted by Go:
I m fine with eating hala food or paying extra for hala certificated food.
In fact, most non muslim in Singapore will be fine with that as we are more and less used to it.
Hala food does not divide Singapore.
But this thread does.
Amen... lets stop this thread here...
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Originally posted by Go:
I m fine with eating hala food or paying extra for hala certificated food.
In fact, most non muslim in Singapore will be fine with that as we are more and less used to it.
Hala food does not divide Singapore.
But this thread does.
You may be fine with eating halal food or paying more for halal food. Others may not.
Let's say if a significant minority of Singaporeans become vegetarian, and are afraid of cross-contamination with meat as well as cannot tolerate the smell of meat, should we then ban meat?
I also fail to see how discussing an issue is divisive, unless your opinion is all differences in opinion are, by definition, divisive.
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Originally posted by cApitaland:
I would. I dont really care what you eat. I don't like it myself when friends have to restrict their diet just because they have to be thoughtful of me, thus I choose to only go eat out with friends sometimes.
good for you, a lot of people won't .... it's not really the issue of eating pork, I won't die if I don't eat pork (hmmm ... maybe ...) .... but I feel that the accomodation has to be both ways ... what is wrong with sitting down together as a group and you eat what you will, I eat what I like ? ... it's often not the case ... as if even sharing a table with pork eaters will defile them .... it creates a sort of us-vs-them atmosphere you know ...
the funny thing is, many of my muslim friends of other extractions overseas, pakistanis and arabs for example, have no qualms about their choice of eating venues and diets at all, they'd happily eat at any resturants or fastfood joints with you, so long as they themselves don't eat pork, they don't mind me scuffling down a rack of ribs at the same table, at the same resturant ....
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
No health implication, just respect implications...
sure, then just cordon off one area for halal food.
And shouldn't be respect be 2 way? i respect your right to have halal food and you respect my right to have pork....
in case u are wondering, i do go to banquet food court... i have no problems with that... but i have a choice in this case to go to a halal food court or a non-halal one... for the case of the school, the choice is taken away.. it's just that simple.. no religious connotations at all...
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Nah! I copy and past from that site. You all can read and argue some more.
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I like that last sentence above ...
really, respect and tolerance is a two way street ... but just as you do not like it if someone else tries to impose their restrictions on you, that someone wouldn't like it either when you impose yours, right ? ... TS should try to see things from other people's point of view as well, his reasoning is too one way ......
if we try to accomodate everybody, we should make all school canteens and food courts solely vegetarian then, neh ? that way everybody can eat anything, together ! ...
but would you be happy doing so ? ....
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food don't divide. it's the people's mentalities that divides
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Halai food for muslims. non Halai for non muslims.
But non muslims are also okay with Halai food.
There should be flexible choices and not rigid and restrictive practices.
Impose Halai food on muslims and non muslims is a rigid regulation and is not right.
It should be disapproved, not approve.
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was there an uproar when smoking was banned in food courts, taking away the smoker's choice of smoking in the premisis and separating smokers and non-smokers?
See counter argument:
2nd Hand Smoke is BULLSHIT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PmUHWieUoF8&feature=related
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As long as taste good and filling can liao la
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Originally posted by pigsticker:
sure, then just cordon off one area for halal food.
And shouldn't be respect be 2 way? i respect your right to have halal food and you respect my right to have pork....
in case u are wondering, i do go to banquet food court... i have no problems with that... but i have a choice in this case to go to a halal food court or a non-halal one... for the case of the school, the choice is taken away.. it's just that simple.. no religious connotations at all...
Wait a min... I tot the story about the school canteen thing is the principal cordon an area for halal food only, not the entire canteen...?
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Originally posted by MohamedF:
Wait a min... I tot the story about the school canteen thing is the principal cordon an area for halal food only, not the entire canteen...?
no, he banned non-halal food from being consumed in the whole canteen ....
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No, he ban non-halal food from the entire canteen.
Because he did not like the idea that Muslims and non-Muslim students are eating seperately.
But some parents complain, because they want their children to eat pork.
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It take far lesser then that to divide ppl these days
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Originally posted by faroukalhadad:
No, he ban non-halal food from the entire canteen.
Because he did not like the idea that Muslims and non-Muslim students are eating seperately.
But some parents complain, because they want their children to eat pork.
you .... are still missing the point ....
I do not like the idea of people eating seperately either ..... but my non-beef eating hindu and kwan-im praying friends would sit with me while I scoffed down beef noodles, my vegetarian buddhist friends would eat with me while I scoff down meat ... would you sit with me while I eat pork ? .....
would you accomodate our hindu and certain buddhist friends by not eating beef ? .... would you accomodate our buddhist friends by not eating meat ? .... would you support we all going vegetarian then, to make all happy ? ...
the principal may have had good intentions, but he saw things only from his perspective, as do you ....
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All I can say I'm glad that my Muslim friends do not insist that I have to eat Halal food to eat with them at the same table and out of respect I do not bring pork to the table
At least they do not have the 'holier than thou' attitude
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Originally posted by elindra:
All I can say I'm glad that my Muslim friends do not insist that I have to eat Halal food to eat with them at the same table and out of respect I do not bring pork to the table
At least they do not have the 'holier than thou' attitude
I like your style; not bringing pork to the table out of respect.
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Originally posted by elindra:
All I can say I'm glad that my Muslim friends do not insist that I have to eat Halal food to eat with them at the same table and out of respect I do not bring pork to the table
At least they do not have the 'holier than thou' attitude
what if there's also a hindu and buddhist at the same table ? ....
habis ! ... we all have to eat vegetarian ? ...
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Originally posted by Fatum:
what if there's also a hindu and buddhist at the same table ? ....
habis ! ... we all have to eat vegetarian ? ...
Err sometimes I just order veggie and tofu I don't mind for a mealWell for Buddhist I ask. Hindu I will refrain coz the cow is a sacred animal to them, for muslim coz pork is considered dirty.
Different reasons ma
Aiya just go and order Nasi Padang la. Eat Mutton lor and fish if you really want your meat
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Originally posted by cApitaland:
I like your style; not bringing pork to the table out of respect.
I mean put it this way, we are in a multi-racial country and we have to respect each other custom and culture.If everyone gave a thought for the other party, there will not be a need for all these bullshit segregation and stuff which I think is really silly because it does nothing but cause divide.
Just give and take :)
Burger King now servers Turkey bacon instead of real bacon...
Some religions preach against consuming beef, yet do we see beef being replaced on our menus?
I for one do not appreciate having my diet dictated by another person's religious beliefs.
But beef is a seasonal prohibition. Hindus do not eat beef but on some days they can. All my hindu friends eat beef.
Unlike pork which is not supposed to be consumed at all times.
I think you are wrong, not eating beef isn't seasonal.
Hi,
I think its immaterial to argue about eating beef and whether it is seasonal or not.
I'm a non-muslim and i know that my religion does not allow me to eat beef.
But it is not that strict. We can still eat at the same food courts as people who eat beef.
However, the Muslims cant as they are much stricter with rgds to this laws. That is why i agree with the author. I don;t see the harm of doing away with certain items that are not halal. Which is more important to u? Friendship or your plate of charsiew?
Friendship or charsiew? That is such a simplistic view of the issue.
To begin with, that's "friendship with conditions". The condition being, I can't eat pork, so you aren't allowed to as well.
I'm all for religious freedom, but freedom cuts both ways. Just as you are allowed to practice what you believe in, I should be allowed to live as I deem fit too, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
The simple example of Burger King's Turkey bacon is a great example of infringing on someone's rights.
I don't believe any one religious group or another should have that right to impose their religious restrictions on everyone else like that.
Some people are vegetarian. Does that mean all meat products should be replaced with vegi substitues?
I believe Muslims are also allowed to eat in the same food court as people who eat pork.
How is that different from not eating beef in a foodcourt that serves beef?
Let me be clear now, I am 100% against boycotting Halal foodcourts. I'm not even against Islam in any way or form.
I just do not see why if other religious groups can be, and has to be, tolerant and not impose their beef/all meat products/etc restrictions on everyone else, the Muslim religion is allowed to impose their restrictions on the rest of us like this.