local students cant go uni but International student can?
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Originally posted by HyuugaNeji:
Muggers may not achieve good results.
Truly good students can understand/remember every single formulas and applications right until the day they sit for the exams and sometimes they can continue to remember things 5 years down the road as well.
i agree. i mugged my way out of the U n my results are not stellar to say the least.
that's why i am paying it back now....struggle in my career. meritocratic sinkapore has no place for an average person like me. -
Originally posted by weiqimun:
well, at least accord me the basic courtesy of answering my question to you. Are you from a local U?
I don't doubt you. I got a place at USC as well but I choose to study local becos after calculation, "bo kow lui"....ppl all choose their U for various reasons. I would agree readily with you too that some of the angmo Us are good, if not better than NUS/NTU/SMU.
But don't trivalize about the ease of getting into the current 3 sinkapore U now. It is not that easy. Like I said, if you are in one, then u r entitled to your opinion. otherwise, you have not 1 iota of credibility to write the things you wrote above.
I know people in army with reasonably good A level and diploma results. Most A level grads upon receiving their A level results followed the norm of applying a place in local unis quickly to secure a place so they can serve NS with a piece of mind. however in army there was this friend who told me his dad advised him to apply at an overseas uni cos his parents wanted him to learn how to be independent and experience a different education culture.Since his family finances allow such a choice, he took his dad advice.
I also have friends who wanted to study at overseas unis to experience such a culture but due to lack of funds, family & friends attachment, work or gf commitments choose to apply at local unis instead.
I have great respect for friends who choose to fight the odds stacked heavily against them. they can enter local unis but decided to
1) work 1st save $ to ease family financial burden.
2) work 1st cos they are undecided about their path (choice of degree) after NS
3) study at pte local unis where they can choose between PT or FT studies so they can find a job and be truly financially independent.
I believe not everybody is able to work PT or FT and study for a PT/ FT degree concurrently without compromising academic grades or job responsibilities.
Last but not least a university to me is simply an institute of higher education. it is not glamorous or deemed as intellectual to be able to study in uni.
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Originally posted by bryanw:
dont say that corebie. there is nothing great or so special about studying in local uni.
the reason why i said this is cos i dont wish my friend corebie to think this way although everybody is entitled to their own opinions and we cant impose our ideals on others. neither am i consoling him. my statement simply meant that we should take pride in whatever we do no matter how insignificant we may deem it. -
Originally posted by bryanw:
I know people in army with reasonably good A level and diploma results. Most A level grads upon receiving their A level results followed the norm of applying a place in local unis quickly to secure a place so they can serve NS with a piece of mind. however in army there was this friend who told me his dad advised him to apply at an overseas uni cos his parents wanted him to learn how to be independent and experience a different education culture.Since his family finances allow such a choice, he took his dad advice.
I also have friends who wanted to study at overseas unis to experience such a culture but due to lack of funds, family & friends attachment, work or gf commitments choose to apply at local unis instead.
I have great respect for friends who choose to fight the odds stacked heavily against them. they can enter local unis but decided to
1) work 1st save $ to ease family financial burden.
2) work 1st cos they are undecided about their path (choice of degree) after NS
3) study at pte local unis where they can choose between PT or FT studies so they can find a job and be truly financially independent.
I believe not everybody is able to work PT or FT and study for a PT/ FT degree concurrently without compromising academic grades or job responsibilities.
Last but not least a university to me is simply an institute of higher education. it is not glamorous or deemed as intellectual to be able to study in uni.
.....but is it still a no big deal, easy to get in nonsense you wrote about?
i am not exactly peeved, but it is the way you trivalize it that bothers me. i m not saying us local graduates are the best of the crop, me and some of my frens in NUS crapped out too at times. but uni days are the best times of my life by far.
you have not answer me, but i gather pretty much that you are not from the local U.
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I am from Monash University
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Originally posted by bryanw:
I am from Monash University
gee, my cousin studies there too....in Melbourne. can't remember which campus he's at. i visited him last june in Canberra where he's originally from.
And no, he no quitter. he's a pure bred Aussie, born and raise there.
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My advise for those with qualification and looking hard for a job:
Expand your horizon, Singapore is not the only place you must work in. Venture overseas.
It is easier than you think it is. Bear in mind your advantage is not just a world-wide recognized degree/diploma, you have a valuable qualification called bi-lingual that happened to be the two most essential languages in the world and the future to come.
Internet is a good source for overseas job hunting. Straits times recruitment page often advertised job for overseas companies. Talk to friends or relatives who are working overseas and be friendly to a foreigner in Singapore you never know he or she could be your future employer.
Do not have doubt about leaving Singapore. Life is alot better overseas. You have richer experience both in your job and personal encounters. Don't think Singapore is the safest place on earth, the impression you formed about danger of other countries is just media selling news.
Diversify away from Singapore, leave your family for the time being. Who knows when Singapore is no longer a place to stay, you can move your whole family to where you work.
I said these because I've been there. I only worked for one year in Singapore after graduation, and ever since I am living and working happily overseas for the past 12 years.
å¤©æ— ç»�人之路，路是自己走出æ�¥çš„。
Nobody give you up, only you give yourself up.
All the best!
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I did not trivialize the entry to local unis. i earlier explained why i pass such a statement. i merely said "there is nothing special or so great about local unis." i did not say local uni entry standard is easy. however your statement "i smell a stinking sore loser here" thus i guessed as much you felt that i trivialize the entry to local unis. thats why i replied " going to uni is very common. SG uni is of no exception" i respected you as an individual thats why i bothered to explain my statement instead of being defensive and debating overseas unis VS local unis since you thought that way.
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Originally posted by bryanw:
I did not trivialize the entry to local unis. i earlier explained why i pass such a statement. i merely said "there is nothing special or so great about local unis." i did not say local uni entry standard is easy. however your statement "i smell a stinking sore loser here" thus i guessed as much you felt that i trivialize the entry to local unis. thats why i replied " going to uni is very common. SG uni is of no exception" i respected you as an individual thats why i bothered to explain my statement instead of being defensive and debating overseas unis VS local unis since you thought that way.
i am not in the least keen to debate the merit of local VS foreign U. I am merely replying in your context and comments on local U as i see it.
btw, truce. i misunderstood u in parts then.
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ah, fark the crap about university, local or overseas.
who makes the most money wins.
if bill gates did not quit harvard before he graduated he wouldn't have been the richest man on world.
how many rich man in this world own a degree?
the higher paper qualification you have the more complacent you become (sounds abit like MM). You think you are smart therefore you must be successful. You use your head and forget to develop your guts, intuition or acumen. When you want to implement a policy you always refer to peter drucker, if you want to buy a stock you flip abraham graham security analysis.
remember what cars did your PhD lecturers drove to campus?
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Originally posted by Caitaokue:
ah, fark the crap about university, local or overseas.
who makes the most money wins.
if bill gates did not quit harvard before he graduated he wouldn't have been the richest man on world.
how many rich man in this world own a degree?
the higher paper qualification you have the more complacent you become (sounds abit like MM). You think you are smart therefore you must be successful. You use your head and forget to develop your guts, intuition or acumen. When you want to implement a policy you always refer to peter drucker, if you want to buy a stock you flip abraham graham security analysis.
remember what cars did your PhD lecturers drove to campus?
that's another discussion all together.
let the degree holders bask in their glories...even if they are less successful.
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Originally posted by Caitaokue:
ah, fark the crap about university, local or overseas.
who makes the most money wins.
if bill gates did not quit harvard before he graduated he wouldn't have been the richest man on world.
how many rich man in this world own a degree?
the higher paper qualification you have the more complacent you become (sounds abit like MM). You think you are smart therefore you must be successful. You use your head and forget to develop your guts, intuition or acumen. When you want to implement a policy you always refer to peter drucker, if you want to buy a stock you flip abraham graham security analysis.
remember what cars did your PhD lecturers drove to campus?
btw, peter d is my idol and ram charan is my current fave now. my shelves is lined up with every conceivable titles from drucker. just don't ask me if i read them all.
i farked up already, in your opinion?
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Originally posted by weiqimun:
btw, peter d is my idol and ram charan is my current fave now. my shelves is lined up with every conceivable titles from drucker. just don't ask me if i read them all.
i farked up already, in your opinion?
Nobody says reading books farked you up.
Complacency, aloof, arrogant sure do.
You be your own judge.
To some people, success is not associated with being wealthy.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by HyuugaNeji:
Muggers may not achieve good results.
Truly good students can understand/remember every single formulas and applications right until the day they sit for the exams and sometimes they can continue to remember things 5 years down the road as well.
sadly in sinkapore, people just study for the cert and forget them down the road..
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Originally posted by Melbournite:
sadly in sinkapore, people just study for the cert and forget them down the road.
what do u study for? for real?
i hope it is more than these.......for an education where i can broaden my mind and spirit and where i can make a tangible difference to society and country. i study so i can repay back to my family and society the `debts' i owed them. i study becos i feel the need to maintain the human spirit of discovery and inventions so it can be pass on to my younger human beings. i study for the cert and forget them down the road.
i think you generalize too much to be convincing. your education in australia failed to do you good, i am afraid.
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chill
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chill
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Originally posted by weiqimun:
what do u study for? for real?
i hope it is more than these.......for an education where i can broaden my mind and spirit and where i can make a tangible difference to society and country. i study so i can repay back to my family and society the `debts' i owed them. i study becos i feel the need to maintain the human spirit of discovery and inventions so it can be pass on to my younger human beings. i study for the cert and forget them down the road.
i think you generalize too much to be convincing. your education in australia failed to do you good, i am afraid.
Bold in Red: U pretty well stated a fact of post education life in singapore.
oBSERVE THE STUDENTS CAREFULLY IN sINGAPORE..
Thety are studying books and books and more books, such a mode of study will not stay fresh in your mind for a long time.
My education is Aus has done me more good than if i was in Singapore
I did my pri/sec/poly education in singapore and my Uni in Aus and there is a vast difference between these 2 periods of my studying life
Singapore: U are being spoonfed, given books which are told to study with what-to-do next chapters and so on and u just memorise them by hard to pass the exams. Rote Learning and practicals are a farce. Practicals just re-teach u what u studied in the textbooks
Aus: U are given a set of materials are designed to actually draw u into the studying and to know what exactly u are studying. Supplemental notes are given for you to compare the Book version with it personal learning, comparative and analytical approach. It just like exploration... which is done by you alone. Practicals are thrown in right on the spot for u to practice what u studied, and not re-teach what u studied.
many people have this idea that studying overseas is easier when
in fact its just as hard as in Singapore if u prefer the rigid system in singapore. It easier cause there is not much emphasis on rote learning but for some ppl the research and practicals part may kill them since their minds are so narrow in scope thy find it overwhelming.
. The difference is that such studying style is suited for a ease of mind and to open it up to a broader knowledge
i am wondering if u also studied overseas cause the last sentence u sporuted looks like u are just another bookworm nerd in Singapore
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Originally posted by Melbournite:
oBSERVE THE STUDENTS CAREFULLY IN sINGAPORE..
Thety are studying books and books and more books, such a mode of study will not stay fresh in ye mind for a long time.
My education is Aus has done me more good than if i was in Singapore
I did my pri/sec/poly education in singapore and my Uni in Aus and there is a vast difference between the days of these 2 periods of my tertiary life
i am wondering if u also studied overseas cause the last sentence u sporuted looks like u are just another bookworm nerd in Singapore
i wished i was a bookworm nerd. i play more than i read, then and now.
so, what do you study for?
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WQM: i study so i can repay back to my family and society the `debts' i owed them
Melbournite: U pretty well stated a fact of post education life in singapore.
you see $. i see obligation to serve. that's the aussie difference for you. good on you, mate!
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In NUS, no more spoon feeding. You are given some notes and the lecturers just babble about his routine talk. The lecturer is usually more interest in publishing journals articles than teaching you. The university emphasizes on thinking if you are taking science or engineering subjects. Exams will test you on your knowledge and you wont get anywhere by pure memorising. I have some friends who stayed and studied in school 15hours a day for 5-7days a week and they still end up getting many C grades at NUS.
A level and below, i admit there's a lot of spoonfeeding though.
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wait are u saying people from outside of sg have better chance than people in sg?
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Originally posted by FirePig:
In NUS, no more spoon feeding. You are given some notes and the lecturers just babble about his routine talk. The lecturer is usually more interest in publishing journals articles than teaching you. The university emphasizes on thinking if you are taking science or engineering subjects. Exams will test you on your knowledge and you wont get anywhere by pure memorising. I have some friends who stayed and studied in school 15hours a day for 5-7days a week and they still end up getting many C grades at NUS.
A level and below, i admit there's a lot of spoonfeeding though.
Seriously, not listening to lectures doesn't mean you cannot score; lectures are basically useless half of the time. Most of the time I'm in lectures, I surf sgf. Only when the lecturer does mention something more interesting do I listen a bit.
But my information on the subject comes a lot from google. Ultimately, it isn't about the spoonfeeding, but about how you approach it. By the time you are in university, you are no longer a kid. You can think; you have a mind of your own. It doesn't mean that if someone spoonfeeds you with notes, you must take all the info.
I study in NUS, and have been on a student exchange to a German university for a semester. The method of teaching is similar, notes and lecture. However, it is only the method of testing that is different; the test includes verbal testing.
But from what I hear about Southampton university in England from my friends, the way of testing is very similar to Singapore's, just do exam papers. -
eagle.........so do u think nus is good? would u recomend someone that have interest in engineering to go there and study?