Would you donate money to this chap ?
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Stop trying to sow discord between Singaporean Chinese and Chinese Chinese.
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And I'll mention again that I hope if you believe the pauper unknown to you deserves it more, you actually look him up and give him your contribution.
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You know how if you somehow knew this chap was going to be China's premier in the future......
Would you change your mind of not donating?
Every life is precious no matter what his nationality is.
What if you were in his shoes? You didn't pick to be born in China.
Show some EMPATHY and lead a more meaningful life.
He's already in suffering let's not add to his sufferings.
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Originally posted by FirePig:
Stop trying to sow discord between Singaporean Chinese and Chinese Chinese.
May I know.. what are the China Chinese.. doing about this case ?
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
Not many people actually bother to suss out every case there is. They're more likely to help whatever comes to their attention first, and it's usually because of publicity or proximity. How is it possible to say whether that is right or wrong?
We don't have enough money to help every single person in need in our society and in our world, but as long as it's a genuine, sincere case, why do you need to justify helping another human being over another? Even if you don't divide up your contributions, you may not be able to save the one person whom you choose to help, but does it matter if you know you tried anyway? But to justify it using racial and national lines is just cynical. One could be even more cynical, and say that helping any human will only do the environment more harm, but I shaln't go there.
Let's not judge him based on the likelihood that he's a bad apple. If someone knows him personally and can vouch that he's been anything other than an honest student, fine. However by letting this fuss go public and grow out of proportion, I think we've only done our collective image more harm than good. I hope the media can cover at least once how much he's received thus far.
yeah, perhaps it's cynicism at work on my part, and you got it exactly right when you said people are most likely to help whoever comes to their attention first, maybe it's an instant dose of do-good-feel-goodism ... and of course, there is nothing wrong with giving money to a genuine case ....
However, again, I'm saying that since we are all of limited resources, shouldn't we think further about who our money go to, first ? .... maybe it sounds politically incorrect to say it, but I think it's a basic precept to take care of one's own first before casting the net wider ...
note that I have not once ranted at him for his race or nationality ...... not once in this entire thread, other than the references to him being a foreigner .... (for those who are a bit slow, the blue fonts are from the newspaper article
) But I strongly believe in taking care of Singaporeans first .... because if we don't ... no one else will .... certainly not other foreigners .... -
I should clarify then that although I quoted your post, Fatum, I made references to other people who brought in the subject of nationality.
You may be surprised to learn that some expats do help out, not just with money but also with their time, but I'll be digressing if I elaborate further.
I have no issues with people who choose to help Singaporeans first, as long as they actually do help out, and still feel for the Chinese kid.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I have no issues with people who choose to help Singaporeans first, as long as they actually do help out, and still feel for the Chinese kid.
KB, I have to disagree on this.
When a person donates.. they do it out of their own free will.. for whatever reason it may be...
A donation is not an OBLIGATION.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I should clarify then that although I quoted your post, Fatum, I made references to other people who brought in the subject of nationality.
I know that KB, cos I know you ...
but perhaps i should also confess, that I feel the way I do, cos I feel that Singaporeans are getting the short end of the stick from our goverment, that we're being screwed and passed over in favour of foreigners, talents or otherwise ...
and I don't think I'm alone in feeling that way .... that some of the comments from other people here are more an expression of that frustration than anything else ....
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as this thread goes on..it goes to see so many singaporeans are so ugly..helping a life now only means if hes from singapore. a coin to help 2 distress people.yet the coin goes to the one that is from the same country yet not to the one more deserving.simply beautiful to how compassion can be nowadays. to those who says they are being leeched dry by these foreigners..aint you already used to being leeched by your leaders day in and out just to fill their already fat wallets?rather than being leeched dry by the not so useful leaders, isnt it better to use the $ to help deserving people?
80k is not enough.that poor bugger needs more than 300k to continue his miserable life.
to those that defended his cause,lets hope that you really donated and not just to be a moral hero here.
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
as this thread goes on..it goes to see so many singaporeans are so ugly..helping a life now only means if hes from singapore. a coin to help 2 distress people.yet the coin goes to the one that is from the same country yet not to the one more deserving.simply beautiful to how compassion can be nowadays. to those who says they are being leeched dry by these foreigners..aint you already used to being leeched by your leaders day in and out just to fill their already fat wallets?rather than being leeched dry by the not so useful leaders, isnt it better to use the $ to help deserving people?
80k is not enough.that poor bugger needs more than 300k to continue his miserable life.
to those that defended his cause,lets hope that you really donated and not just to be a moral hero here.
Are you a Singaporean or a China National ?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
KB, I have to disagree on this.
When a person donates.. they do it out of their own free will.. for whatever reason it may be...
A donation is not an OBLIGATION.
It certainly isn't. Although anyone can comment, not everyone has the means to back it up. I don't want to accuse those who have those means of hypocrisy; I'm expressing a hope that they can back up what they say with their actions (and I also respect those who go about it quietly).
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Originally posted by Fatum:
I know that KB, cos I know you ...
but perhaps i should also confess, that I feel the way I do, cos I feel that Singaporeans are getting the short end of the stick from our goverment, that we're being screwed and passed over in favour of foreigners, talents or otherwise ...
and I don't think I'm alone in feeling that way .... that some of the comments from other people here are more an expression of that frustration than anything else ....
I can understand, but not all rationable behaviour is acceptable, and it may even be damaging.
Bashing someone who appears to have done nothing other than being a foreign student (which lots of Singaporeans elsewhere in the world are) can be described as such.Yep, we've got issues with 2 different topics related to the same event.
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KB,
I simply don't understand why the need to relying solely on Singaporean's donation.
He has a country he calls his own. A powerful country with 1 billion people.
Why couldn't he seek help and treatment from his own country and fellow China chinese first ?
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I really dnt understand the reason to hate chinese.
Most of u are chinese by blood.May be ur grand parents were on this island earlier and you guys might be holding a passport saying "Singaporean".I can understand if u say hate thai,americans etc etc.Or is it a hate of self and trying to cover it by pointing somewhere else?And everyone know how "helpful" the people are u meet in street.It's basically in blood and a point to nationality a terrible excuse.
And other thing per forum,is using Singapore as a stepping stone.if tht's the case why not all of u make a better future too?Is it plain jealousy of not being able to do the same as so called 'chinese'?
PS:I am not chinese,simple observation.
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How many singaporeans out there also suffering from the same situation? How much help are they receiving?
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Originally posted by Alucard101:
I really dnt understand the reason to hate chinese.
Most of u are chinese by blood.May be ur grand parents were on this island earlier and you guys might be holding a passport saying "Singaporean".I can understand if u say hate thai,americans etc etc.Or is it a hate of self and trying to cover it by pointing somewhere else?And everyone know how "helpful" the people are u meet in street.It's basically in blood and a point to nationality a terrible excuse.
And other thing per forum,is using Singapore as a stepping stone.if tht's the case why not all of u make a better future too?Is it plain jealousy of not being able to do the same as so called 'chinese'?
PS:I am not chinese,simple observation.
Nothing much to explain.. yes we have chinese blood.
If one of us SG chinese needs $150 thousand to live .. will the China Chinese donate their hardearned money too ?
Will they not tell us the same thing ?
Don't forget.. there is this saying " Fei Sui Bu Liu Wai Ren Tian".
This statement originates from our dear Ancestors from CHINA.
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Originally posted by Alucard101:
I really dnt understand the reason to hate chinese.
Most of u are chinese by blood.May be ur grand parents were on this island earlier and you guys might be holding a passport saying "Singaporean".I can understand if u say hate thai,americans etc etc.Or is it a hate of self and trying to cover it by pointing somewhere else?And everyone know how "helpful" the people are u meet in street.It's basically in blood and a point to nationality a terrible excuse.
And other thing per forum,is using Singapore as a stepping stone.if tht's the case why not all of u make a better future too?Is it plain jealousy of not being able to do the same as so called 'chinese'?
PS:I am not chinese,simple observation.
I hate foreign talents. Like Neil Humphreys said, those angmohs we idolise so much as our Managers, CEOs are basically just under-qualified average joes in their country, which is why they come here.We don't consider Singapore as a stepping stone because it is our home, while the others who take scholarship here will leave after obtaining Singapore citizenship then migrate over to the US or what.
These chinese nationals come here just to cheat our money unlike our forefathers who only wanted to make a living, look at their nationals and what they do on our transports and the remarks they make about us.
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if he's my friend or someone i know, i will donate irregardless he is ah tiong or not.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
KB,
I simply don't understand why the need to relying solely on Singaporean's donation.
He has a country he calls his own. A powerful country with 1 billion people.
Why couldn't he seek help and treatment from his own country and fellow China chinese first ?
How many among that 1 billion have the means to help him? And among those who do, how many can he and his folks reach? And how do we know that they haven't already tried?
He could opt to go home for treatment - that plus the airfare might still be less than what he's paying for here - and he can keep up with schoolwork and classmates through the Internet, but why should he be obliged not to choose what he and his parents may see as superior healthcare, when they want to give him a fighting chance of recovering more quickly?
The donation drive took place on campus, and other Chinese undergrads probably donated as well.
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
this news has been going around for a few days now.what i can only say is im fuc.king disappointed by my fellow high and mighty singaporeans.so hes a china chinese and hes not worthy of your precious SGD.china chinese not human?dont for a moment fuc.king forget where all your fuc.king chinese ancestors comes from.some would say they would rather donate to another stricken singaporean due to high medical costs.true enough,but have you any idea how much more expensive it is for a foreigner to fall sick here?that poor chap needs at least 350k for the medical bill and from most of the reports i've seen shows how fuc,king ugly my singaporeans can be..so he managed to get a scholarship here.its because you(fellow singaporean) sucks and shamed yourself.so you argue that the foreign students used sg to be a stepping stone and used 'our' money. wouldn't you do the same thing if you would to go to another country to study?
now the question is....if the afflicted today is not an "ah tiong"(fuc.king degrading term for another human) but a caucasian...would you ugly singaporeans donate??
for those who says the poor chap should not receive help..its your right to do so.but if karma strikes you in the azz..i would be more than happy to say to you..YES YOU ARE FUC.KEDthen you talk so much go donate lor, so many times there are sick people being publicised on the newspaper about their plight and many singaporeans would donate and it often amounts to 6 figures or more. but for foreigners, it does not exist, surely the 3 million singaporeans cannot be wrong.
and oh, angmoh sick here nvm one, their parents got alot of money..
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Would suggest that the PRC student seek treatment in his own home country, they should have some form of healthcare system available there.
What if every PRC that has an illness comes to Singapore? Are we going to help every single one of them?
I guess a population of 3.5 million will start donating aid to help a nation of 1.3 billion.
We can't even help outselves, yet we want to help others.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
How many among that 1 billion have the means to help him? And among those who do, how many can he and his folks reach? And how do we know that they haven't already tried?
He could opt to go home for treatment - that plus the airfare might still be less than what he's paying for here - and he can keep up with schoolwork and classmates through the Internet, but why should he be obliged not to choose what he and his parents may see as superior healthcare, when they want to give him a fighting chance of recovering more quickly?
The donation drive took place on campus, and other Chinese undergrads probably donated as well.
Then you are assuming the worst.. how valid is that ?
China is no longer the same old poor and dirty China you believe to be.
And their healthcare services are not as sub standard as you think.
In their country..as long as you have money.. you can live like a King.
And you are assuming he will have no Internet connection in China ? Trust me, they are not as backwards as you think.
If he can keep up with school work through the internet..he can keep up with schoolwork anywhere in the world.
The only problem he will face IF he goes back to China.. is that he will not be able to get any EXIT visa out of that country that easily due to his medical condition.
Please.. out of 1 billion.. don't tell me he cannot get even 1% to donate $1 to help him out ?
Since we don't know if he had already tried.. how do we know if he really don't have the money to keep himself alive ? Arn't we giving blindly ?
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Originally posted by SnowFlag:
x 2. Why don't he go back to China for treatment?
Each country has her own healthcare system, if every PRC comes to Singapore appeal for help (donations), Singapore is going to end up with a drain on her capital.There are genuine Singaporeans with financial problems, they can't pay for medical services, why not help them first.
Help your own family members first before you help strangers.
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Originally posted by Agenda:
I hate foreign talents. Like Neil Humphreys said, those angmohs we idolise so much as our Managers, CEOs are basically just under-qualified average joes in their country, which is why they come here.
We don't consider Singapore as a stepping stone because it is our home, while the others who take scholarship here will leave after obtaining Singapore citizenship then migrate over to the US or what.
These chinese nationals come here just to cheat our money unlike our forefathers who only wanted to make a living, look at their nationals and what they do on our transports and the remarks they make about us.
I don't approve of the worshipping or gullibility of some locals, but hey, let's give the expats a bit of credit for actually making a move towards doing something for themselves, unless they lied or hedged the truth along the way. Neil himself also recognised that he was seen as an expat too, that he wasn't the only honest one and that they're all tarred with the same brush sometimes.
Back to the topic.
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Like Li Ao said Singaporeans are stupid (naive), that's why you get taken advantage of by others.